Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Chara]

So why the long face?

i'm disappointed that my gut is being stupid. i thought that was clear. and i'm tired.

[Chara]

null: Chara

I haven't really sorted Flubbernugget and Brigitte

what's the difference between me and Flubber/Brigitte?

[Chara]

i think tris's reply to skitter is townish as is hammering "for the lulz" but it'd depend on the player if i really want to townread it. i don't understand why scum does it either so i'm not sure why you're scumreading the action itself, skitter.

[Chara]

VOTE: tris

[Ankamius]

??????????????????

[Chara]

i know. wild, right.

[Ankamius]

you are the new most scandalous person

[Ankamius]

wheres my brigitte wagon at

[Brigitte]

Hey urap2. Holla at me if you want to talk.

[u r a person 2]

yo i'm here and only a little distracted. What's up?

[u r a person 2]

@Brigitte I think I'm scum reading this fake hammer in particular. What do you think?

VOTE: nmsa

[Brigitte]

So like, the opening was scummy af. He was clearly making up reads and he was stumbling over them, and he never actually went back to look at either 1915 or 1917 to check my meta he went off of memory. And that led to him screwing up regarding me making early content and I slammed him for that. but that meshes with the style he was attempting, tbh. They weren't supposed to be real reads

And I remember thinking at the time that his reads list was shit, and I was kind of in the headspace that enter was scum and that perhaps he was telling nmsa to stfu and just post some reads (and enter had said he was assuming day talk, which made me think there probably is day talk)

but looking back at it, it reads super relaxed. wordings like "my own reads confuse me sometimes" and sticking with the brig vote are probably not in his scum range. Also the reads, while surface level aren't stretched at all. They're not strong reads, and he's not pretending they are, anymore. Which really jives with my understanding of his play.

He hasn't produced much of anything since, but from his perspective and play time he's not winning this 1v1, right? I'm thinking demotivated town

I have many questions for this reasoning.

If they are surface level reads as you say, how does that make him town?
Couldn't he be demotivated scum by the same reasoning?
You even say he is making up reads, why would he be making up reads as town in this situation? That's a natural evolution of his town play?

I think you went back here reread his posts and basically went. "Too bad to be scum" so Newb Town. Otherwise explain to me how when called out on his reads being fake, his reasoning being surface. Is town or scum motivated? It seems just stupid in general. I don't think stupid is town or scum really.

And remember. He isn't pretending his reads are strong because we called them out on being fake.

Theres like three things I see when I read NMSA ISO:
1) he was being incredibly fake early game
2) he isn't producing a trackable thought process and you could probably throw a dart at the board and that is how NMSA made reads and justified them later.
3) he is being dumb by standing by bad reads he knows are bad.

1 and 2 are suspicious. And 3 is not really alignment indicative to me.

[Brigitte]

@Brigitte I think I'm scum reading this fake hammer in particular. What do you think?

VOTE: nmsa

I don't have a read on this. Why do you think fake hammer is scum?

[u r a person 2]

yay skitter is probably town because of this interaction

I agree. How is watch duty right now?

i can't see the sun anymore but I think that might be because I've lost my retinas

Ohhh no. Go see the medical unit quick!

These two have been spamming all game. I'm calling my shot now, this is the scumteam. Come join me on the urap wagon, game is already solved.

Also correct me if I'm wrong because I have no experience in setup spec, but this game probably has more than two scum in it, right? with 13 people? This was a legit dumb!tell I think. He's only played newbie games up until now and they have 2 person teams.

before i dive into that, what do ya think of this?

I'm scum reading it because it's a rehash of a play that just got made, with no discussion from flubber about it afterwards, and I guess it just doesn't sit right with me. I was kind of hoping you'd help me nail down why I feel that way

[Brigitte]

I don't really believe in dumb tells. I have faked them before in games. Though honestly don't think NMSA is capable of faking dumb tells.

So I guess that could be a towntell if NMSA actually meant scum team as 2 people.

[Brigitte]

Actually no, I don't really think that means much. That post is one of his early fake posts where is he just throwing shit in the game. I don't think it means he believes there is 2 scum in the game.

[Brigitte]

I am starting to come down with a cold. Someone heal me!

[Enter]

I am starting to come down with a cold. Someone heal me!

I used to be a corpsman, don't worry, I've got you. Here, take some Motrin.

[u r a person 2]

If they are surface level reads as you say, how does that make him town?
Couldn't he be demotivated scum by the same reasoning?
You even say he is making up reads, why would he be making up reads as town in this situation? That's a natural evolution of his town play?

I think you went back here reread his posts and basically went. "Too bad to be scum" so Newb Town. Otherwise explain to me how when called out on his reads being fake, his reasoning being surface. Is town or scum motivated? It seems just stupid in general. I don't think stupid is town or scum really.

I don't know if it is a natural evolution of his town play, but before I didn't see any connection to his town game, and now I believe I do. 1917 NMSA couldn't get a read to save his life. But NMSA is not dumb, he knows that finding reads is his game's biggest deficit, and it does make sense for him to get creative about how to do it.

But he didn't execute it well because he's taking a shot in the dark in kind of a form over function mindset. make confident reads and confident reads will come, and obviously a new approach like that isn't going to dramatically improve his underlying read-making skills. So, when it came time to give reads, which again, he knows he has to do, he's left with surface level reads and simple metrics

And obviously this is all speculation, narrative, and projection, but i'm trying to get in this kid's head, and I think I'm there, mate. I really think I'm there.

And remember. He isn't pretending his reads are strong because we called them out on being fake.

Theres like three things I see when I read NMSA ISO:
1) he was being incredibly fake early game
2) he isn't producing a trackable thought process and you could probably throw a dart at the board and that is how NMSA made reads and justified them later.
3) he is being dumb by standing by bad reads he knows are bad.

1 and 2 are suspicious. And 3 is not really alignment indicative to me.

1) I agree! but I can see a town!NMSA motivation now
2) Eh, I disagree. I think the thought process is pretty obviously a run through each player's iso with a fall back of relying on metrics such as post count, length, etc when he couldn't find a read.
3) You mean his vote on you? He backed down immediately on his read on me when it was pointed out the basis was not factual.

[Chara]

i think it was Ankamius who said scum are happy with the game state.
i'm sure there's a scumster floating around in my townreads (which are also mostly the game's townreads) right now, but for the most part i think scum is content with discussion between townies and pressure on other townies.
it's a feeling i need to learn to recognize better that says scum isn't being movers or shakers, which they do sometimes.

and u2, because i noticed this now: my question to Ankamius about the read on skitter was because i was curious about the lack of wanting to understand skitter, when it looked like the strong scumread was gone. and i think cooperation is towny for obvious reasons, while the many mentions of how Ankamius is doing something because "it's funny" only serve to obfuscate her intentions and are either indicative of an ego, which is towny, or scum who knows that trolling is harder to read.
so i guess i am scumreading Ankamius, but if she is scum i think her strategy here is pretty high level. and i think understanding her better would lead to a better read so i might leave it at that for now.

tris, on the other hand, i think could be scum and i find little to suggest otherwise. her explanation for the hammer i liked initially but in hindsight it was really NAI because scum can be honest about doing something for no real reason, so tris is left with an awkward ISO that doesn't feel like it's hunting for anything.

[Chara]

oh, and my original point in mentioning skitter was supposed to be that she would never be a possible mislynch for me as scum, because she's... skitter. but i got distracted in my last post, haha.

i'm not very surprised at the nullscum reads i'm getting, i don't like my own play much here either. but i'm feeling better about things now! just won a towngame where i had good reads and i'd like to do that again, i can be better than this.

and i'm reminded of Reck's readlist in 500. it bothers me. branson and skitter especially i could understand townreading, but i'm in that pile because others are worse.
okay, does that mean that those in the null pile have done scummier things than me, who Reck couldn't give a good reason to townread, but not scummy enough to be in the scum pile, which is composed of the low content posters and nobody else?

[Chara]

if i had to borrow someone's tinfoil hat for a moment (i don't have my own), i would say Reck put me and skitter in his townreads because he knows we aren't mislynchable and isn't going to pursue that.

[skitter30]

i think tris's reply to skitter is townish as is hammering "for the lulz" but it'd depend on the player if i really want to townread it. i don't understand why scum does it either so i'm not sure why you're scumreading the action itself, skitter.

I'm not particularly scumreading the fake-hammer; it just doesnt make sense as an unpremeditated action from either alignment; i just don't get why someone would randomly fakehammer (and *not* be deliberately trying to get reactions) as either alignment.

My scumread has more to do with a lack of original opinions/lack of actively sorting people, and that her presence in the game rn has largely been to ask questions that dont lead anywhere and to sheep people. I particularly dont like the post from a couple of pages back where she just dropped the nmsa push because urap2 did.

[skitter30]

Also @chara: some of your posts feel a little pocket-y to me and its starting to make me paranoid of you

[skitter30]

if i had to borrow someone's tinfoil hat for a moment (i don't have my own), i would say Reck put me and skitter in his townreads because he knows we aren't mislynchable and isn't going to pursue that.

I think reck has been pretty townie tbh