Role Call I (Game Over)

[Iconeum]

My top 2 scumreads right now are pops and Hidden.

[momo]

a50 might actually be scum, more on this when I get home

[momo]

a50 might actually be scum, more on this when I get home

[momo]

My top 2 scumreads right now are pops and Hidden.

This is usually the part where you elaborate.

[Vecna]

I put forth the following as proposal

Gladiator - Hidden Happiness
Inactive - Saudude
D5 IC - Gamma Emerald
Inventor - popsofctown
D3 King - momo
Macho - CheekyTeeky
Miller - Nero Cain
Odd Night Motion Detector - Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor - Oversoul
Neighbor- almost50
Timid - Iconeum
N1 Universal Backup - Vecna
Vanilla - apthet
Compulsive Quitter - Titus


VOTE: For

Bolded green for thoughts this time, because I really like the way this color looks (don't judge me).

Mostly I'm in support of this proposal. Voting for this rn because a lot of ppl have used theirs. Don't know if we'll get a better one.

Gladiator HH is fine, as long as we're sticking with pops' idea that using the gladiator 1-shot is a scum claim. If you can't bring town to a consensus, you're doing it wrong. Don't force their hand.

As I said before, neighbor would have been more fun but I agree that a50 and oversoul will use it better than me. Both of you are townleans. On top of working together, your main goal should be reading each other.

Miller Nero is an interesting choice, given that I think he's town, but not 100% sure. That said, strongest town reads have more important roles. In late game, just because he's the miller, doesn't mean that he shouldn't be lynched. Should keep on reading him as normal.

Motion detector LUV is nice. He's town. LUV, I'm reading into your other ideas and secrecy as town who is playing his cards to his chest. I'm assuming you know who you need to track in case RC flips town.

Titus lynch was a given.

If RC flips town and a high scum utility PR dies, Vecna probs scum.

If RC flips scum, Vecna Town.

If RC flips town and a low or negative utility PR dies, WIFOM aspects must be considered and reads must be made.

Overall, this is a good proposal. Combined with the flip, it should give the town a lot of information. We just need to play it right. In case I die before I get to make another post, this is goodbye. If we follow through with this proposal and town plays smart, we should win regardless of the flip.

with this current proposal we still have way too many high value nk targets.

We achieved the exact opposite of what we set out to do.

As long as UB is town, high value NK targets shouldn’t matter. We might not have a backup in future days and should use this opportunity to get the strongest TRs solid roles.

N1 kill UB, proceed to kill all other valuable targets n2 and onward?

For the sake of not being overconfident, im just gonna assume scum wont be complete tools aboit their nk

[Vecna]

VOTE: against

bad proposal mateys

ok but why? Also, nothing to say about 912?

As stated, hardly anyone is suspicious of me, and if the worst argument against giving you IC is "ill jus tget shot n4" then im not all that bothered? four days of play is a lot in a 14 player setup, abd the game could be over already before.

[Saudade]

What is the current proposal at hand

[Saudade]

I am ready to gote

[Saudade]

Vote

[apthet]

Work is hectic today, but I'll try and read up sometime later this afternoon.

[Oversoul]

Read post 929, Saudude.

[popsofctown]

there is no way to night kill the PRs in this setup

[momo]

there is no way to night kill the PRs in this setup

Clap clap clap

[popsofctown]

The following roles are worse than VT, VT, or slightly better than VT.

1-shot Gladiator

Day 3 King

"big" but negative utility)

Miller

:

Neighbour

:

Neighbour

:

Timid

:

Inactive

:

Vanilla

:

Macho

:

The following role is X-shot and can fire off every single meaningful shot, Universal Backup in consideration, before the mafia kill it if they dedicate their lives to shooting at it:

Inventor

:

The following role essentially performs it's function in the process of being NKed. And it averages itself out by getting NKed at a higher rate on towny players, but providing greater benefit on towny players since such players would have deepwolfed a full win:

Day 5 Innocent Child

:

The following role is cheaper to rolestop than it is to double NK and has lots of false positives and is odd-night and watered down. All that taken into account, it is the closest it comes to NK argument being true which is why I gave it to a soft townread instead of a hard townread:

Odd-Night Motion Detector

:

The following role is the reason this is all actually dumb and mafia are actually going to NK inactive or miller rather than dismantle us by shooting our townread King and forcing us to play mafia on day 3 oh noes:

Night 1 Universal Backup

:

[popsofctown]

If my proposal doesn't pass, as new proposals are generated I want people to look at the miller and universal backup assignments that are in mine and the other one that got close to passing and reuse those. Because the idea that mafia are playing dumb about this NK strategy stuff and trying to reroll until they get a mafia miller is horrifying to me.
The mafia are even less likely (I guess I shouldn't say even less likely, enough of you seem to refuse to see this the same way as me that at least a couple have to be town) to perceive an proposal as being flawed because it has a strong optimal play of shooting a certain PR slot, because they know which slots are town and scum and can plan the hypothetical N1 kill and look at how the hypothetical N1 kill moves onto the N1 backup. It's kind of like as a beginner at chess it's a little easier to see that a move makes check if you're allowed to physically move the chess piece into that position and will be able to take it back if you don't like how it looks, versus having to imagine possible moves. So they're the ones pretending not to follow because they see it's an acceptable position because townies are taking it, but they're actually hoping for a miller reroll. Don't give it to them. You can reroll the motion detector into whatever the worst possible position is, I don't care, but a miller deepwolf scares me.

[Oversoul]

My top 2 scumreads right now are pops and Hidden.

Why the pops scum read?

[callforjudgement]

Game status

Failed proposals:

Spoiler: momo's proposal

• 1-shot Gladiator
  : momo
  
• Inactive
  : Saudade
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  : Oversoul
  
• Inventor
  : popsofctown
  
• Day 3 King
  : Vecna
  
• Macho
  : Lil Uzi Vert
  
• Miller
  : apthet
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Neighbour
  : Nero Cain
  
• Neighbour
  : Almost50
  
• Timid
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Vanilla
  : Iconeum
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Titus

For

(4): momo, Almost50, Iconeum, Saudade

Against

(7): Hidden Happiness, popsofctown, Nero Cain, Oversoul, Titus, Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna

Not voting

(3): apthet, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald

Spoiler: Vecna's proposal

• 1-shot Gladiator
  : Almost50
  
• Inactive
  : Saudade
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  : Nero Cain
  
• Inventor
  : Iconeum
  
• Day 3 King
  : momo
  
• Macho
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Miller
  : Vecna
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  : Lil Uzi Vert
  
• Neighbour
  : popsofctown
  
• Neighbour
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Timid
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  : apthet
  
• Vanilla
  : Oversoul
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Titus

For

(2): Vecna, Lil Uzi Vert

Against

(7): Titus, Oversoul, Nero Cain, popsofctown, momo, CheekyTeeky, Almost50

Not voting

(5): Iconeum, Saudade, apthet, Gamma Emerald, Hidden Happiness

Current proposal

(by popsofctown):

• 1-shot Gladiator
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Inactive
  : Saudade
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Inventor
  : popsofctown
  
• Day 3 King
  : momo
  
• Macho
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Miller
  : Nero Cain
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  : Lil Uzi Vert
  
• Neighbour
  : Oversoul
  
• Neighbour
  : Almost50
  
• Timid
  : Iconeum
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  : Vecna
  
• Vanilla
  : apthet
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Titus

For

(5): popsofctown, Nero Cain, Almost50, momo, Oversoul

Against

(3): Hidden Happiness, Titus, Vecna

Not voting

(6): Iconeum, Saudade, apthet, Gamma Emerald, CheekyTeeky, Lil Uzi Vert

List of roles to distribute

Proposal available

(11): Hidden Happiness, Iconeum, Oversoul, apthet, Nero Cain, CheekyTeeky, Almost50, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, Saudade, Titus

Proposal unavailable

(3): momo, Vecna, popsofctown

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 8 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 00:05 UTC on Sunday 21 July (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-07-21 00:05:00)

). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count

Saudade

(1): Saudade

Hidden Happiness

(1): Iconeum

Vecna

(1): Hidden Happiness

Iconeum

(1): Oversoul

Nero Cain

(1): popsofctown

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.

[Oversoul]

there is no way to night kill the PRs in this setup

Wait what?

[Saudade]

VOTE: for pops proposal

[popsofctown]

there is no way to night kill the PRs in this setup

Wait what?

Figuratively not literally. See 938

[apthet]

Why is Apthet scum?

I'm not 100% certain on that read. (Would prefer pops/A50/Sau) However, I feel like he's just on the outskirts poking. I also don't know him well enough to accurately place him in the other categories.

You propose killing me over the three reads you're more certain about? Am I reading that right? Also, she.

It would be great if Titus could stop calling people a curse word, I know compliance is at -25% when I've requested that in mafia games but on I go.

I like you.

I'll do the thing that people are doing with responding in color (it seems trendy).

Inactive: Saudade

It seems like Saudade passing this proposal fits in with a disengaged town who just wants to get the day over with. If he were scum who is laying low in hopes of assuming a more commanding role later, I don't think he would commit himself to Inactive.

Day 5 Innocent Child: Gamma Emerald

Gamma as come across as pretty towny to me. He has a very strong air of "honest town obliviousness" that I've seen in most of the recent games I played. CheekyTeeky in particular stands out to me as a great candidate for this role as someone that several people are scumreading. She came across to me as a pretty capable town player the last time I played with her, even though I didn't last long. It might be nice to have her in the game until then, and if she turns out as scum then we'll know.

Inventor: popsofctown

I was trying to figure out what was going on in popsofctown's mind when he gave himself inventor, because that's not a role I'm entirely comfortable with him giving himself. But looking back it seems like this was also in momo's proposal, so I guess that was where the possibility was first introduced. I guess I'm sort of okay with this. His response to momo giving him inventor was also okay.

Odd-Night Motion Detector: Lil Uzi Vert

I haven't actually been paying too much attention to the proposals until now, but this is the role I'd prefer to get. I think it has potential to synergize well with my role, although there's no guarantee that it will really pay off in any impactful way.

Neighbour: Oversoul
Neighbour: Almost50

I like the neighbors here. I think there's a not-too-bad chance of Oversoul being town and Almost50 being scum.

As far as it goes though, I am fine enough with this proposal to vote for it (although what would people think about swapping me and LUV + Gamma and Cheeky? If people are okay with that then I'll vote against this one).

[apthet]

N1 kill UB, proceed to kill all other valuable targets n2 and onward?

For the record I think that D2 role distribution will probably balance this out. I think people (me included) will shy away from stacking roles too heavily onto one person. (Looking back on it, I did like Vecna as Miller though.)

[Oversoul]

Momo and Apthet, can you further explain your Almost read’s?

[Vecna]

Its a matter of poe and gut. Titus and HH are both potentislly town here.

My current scumteam is A50 and Nero Cain

[Vecna]

anyways, maybe im wrong. well know soon enough since people seem intent on lynching titus.