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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:36 am
by Ginngie
I refuse to engage in that because that is itching for a rule break and fuck that.

I dont bitch. If I bitch. Its for good reason.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:46 am
by Ginngie
Im gonna make the bold claim that everyone over 100 posts as of this moment is town.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:47 am
by Ginngie
That is going to be the start of my PoE

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:11 am
by Pink Ball
In post 916, Lady Chloe wrote:Farkran,

See what occurs when I am displeased?

My psyche is split between two dimensions that impact both at once.

I must assassinate my clone to retain sanity. Good morning to you.
Best post of the game so far

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:14 am
by Ame
Farkran I don't care about . I'll take Kerset's word that this is your normal approach. You've not addressed the strongest component of my case: . Furthermore, your response to and are unsatisfactory as you have failed to address the actual points I am making, and instead are straw-manning, making the argument about me wanting you to have 100% reads, when in reality I care nothing of the sort.

Components of Ame's Case

[1] +
insufficient response

[2]
successfully countered

[3]
unaddressed

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:16 am
by Ame
In post 926, Ginngie wrote:Im gonna make the bold claim that everyone over 100 posts as of this moment is town.
This seems deraily.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:27 am
by Professor Moriarty
In post 665, springlullaby wrote:
@MOD: Are quest leader votes displayed to everyone when we enter quest?
Yes, leader votes are made in the quest PT.

VC coming up momentarily.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:32 am
by Professor Moriarty
VC 1.6
[Capture] springlullaby (4)- momo, Pine, Not Known 15, Farkset
[Capture] Farkset (3)- springlullaby, Ame, Flight of the Conchords
[Capture] Lady Chloe (1)- mastina
[Capture] Pine (1)- Pink Ball
[Capture] momo (1)- Hectic

End Day (1)- Lady Chloe

Not voting (2)- Ginngie, Raya36

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-20 13:00:00)

Mod notes:
Please keep it civil. We don't need personal attacks or insults.

Public Mechanic Vote
Disable Strongman (10)- Farkset, Lady Chloe, springlullaby, Raya36, Pine, Not Known 15, mastina, Ginngie, Ame, Pink Ball
Neighborizer (3)- momo, Flight of the Conchords, Hectic

Not voting (0)- Nobody

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:01 am
by Farkset
Ame, i have already addressed all of your points. Hectic was able to understand what i was saying in , if you cannot understand that there's nothing i can do about it. Your 893 is just another reiteration of you asking me to have a level of confidence on my read of springlullaby that i cannot possibly have at this point in time.

Open your mind, reread, and find the answers for yourself. I am not going to engage you again on the same questions.

Still waiting for your scumgames, i'm going to search for them anyways later but i'd be grateful if you could save me the effort.

-Farkran

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:19 am
by springlullaby
In post 926, Ginngie wrote:Im gonna make the bold claim that everyone over 100 posts as of this moment is town.

Does this mean I'm getting your quest leader vote?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:48 am
by springlullaby
In post 922, Ginngie wrote:I refuse to put in effort when you're a live. You're a fucking headache and I'm not going to get drowned out by 20 posts a day spam.
This is ad hominem by the way Giingie.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:07 am
by Lady Chloe
and are posts I would like engagement on.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:04 am
by Ame
Hectic
, do you agree or disagree that the dichotomy Farkset originally presented in is different from that presented in / (the relevant snippet can be found in )?

I also would like these addressed when you get the chance: bottom line of and 2&3 of .

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:11 am
by Hectic
How can you tell I'm here lurking, Ame?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:31 am
by Hectic
In post 891, Ame wrote:
In post 888, Farkset wrote:No. This is what you forced upon me, the false dichotomy that you've been talking about but was never there in the first place. The true dichotomy is "people who behaved weirdly around springlullaby" VS "people who had reasons behind their behavior around springlullaby". And it's different than what you said there.
Nope. It's literally what you said:
In post 553, Farkset wrote:1) distance themselves by
having the scumteam side with or against springlullaby

2) those who are
siding against her
(and the majority) are
pushing a very easy lhf

3) those who are
siding with her
will be
pocketing her
hard because she is the one with surface reads/reactions
In post 656, Farkset wrote:There are people whiteknighting him for very little reason and people who instead sheep the attackers. Depending on her flip i think
we can identify if she was being TMIed town or chainsaw defended as scum.
Alright, so your case here is that Farkan is approaching the advantages to lynching springlullaby in too many directions, correct? Since he's proposed lynching her allows us to look into-

this if she's town:

Scum TMIing her as town.
Scum pushing a low hanging fruit.
Scum pocketing her.

this if she's scum:

Scum chainsaw defending her.
In post 792, Ame wrote:I don't think in your heart (or possibly mind) you really believe she is scum. Don't let the bias cloud your judgment! If Spring is just a fallback why haven't you pushed anyone else? Also why do you keep engaging with Spring when clearly nothing is coming out of your interaction except a loop of 'NO U'
You are correct. I think she's probably town but it's a read I'd feel terrible about being wrong on. I keep trying to engage with her because I see thought processes/reads that don't make sense to me, but she doesn't seem to want to answer my questions with anything other than "^scum that doesn't read the thread", so I've given up now. I don't have a reason for not trying to push anyone else.
In post 798, Ame wrote:Hectic (1) what do you think about the case Farkset made in ? (2) What do you think about the reasoning in their post here:
In post 553, Farkset wrote:Unless i have past experiences with you, i'd like to see you quote some posts of mine that are surface level and delusional/manipulative.

For the record, based on this post, 550 and 313 VS the "opposition" i think there is a clear fracture around springlullaby and how to treat her slot. There is only one reason currently to believe she could be town, and that's how others are behaving around her. I think it's more than plausible that scum are putting up a theater to achieve several results:

1) distance themselves by having the scumteam side with or against springlullaby
2) those who are siding against her (and the majority) are pushing a very easy lhf
3) those who are siding with her will be pocketing her hard because she is the one with surface reads/reactions
(3) Are you able to interpret the first part of ? And if so could you translate? If not, what's your best guess?
1 - Pretty weak honestly. I think the theory is towny though because a tinfoil theory like that is more likely to come from someone with a green role, to be thinking about those sort of things.
2 - That post is kind of strange because he's expressing strong confidence in springlullaby being scum, unless people around her are behaving in a certain way. I fail to understand why how people are acting around her makes an independent scumread on her weaker. I can see what you mean that he's trying to approach from all angles and is being too "political".
3 - I've answered this!

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:35 am
by Hectic
In post 902, Lady Chloe wrote:Blessed Ones,
In post 862, Pink Ball wrote:And even if spring was scum which is unlikely, roleblocking a claimed voyeur is not ideal
This is the underlying point on why I haven't voted to capture springlullaby.

As well as point on my hesitance to capture. Some PRs may mechanically need as many XP-gain opportunities as available to effectively serve town.

Capture is not a lynch, but some town players may feel the reward of using their powers to it's highest potential to outweigh the risk of claiming.

This is my final point on the ability of no capture. I accept rebuttals.
I agree on not capturing springlullaby today. However, do you not think it beneficial to capture someone due to what Kerset said here?
In post 693, Farkset wrote:You forgot about xp drain. When scum gets captured they lose all xp and they can't gain this on n1. On n2 they need to train, so it disables their killing abilities them up to n3.
It's main advantage is that it narrows down people capable of nighkilling.
~Kerset
  • Mafia lose XP if captured. Town do not.
  • We can rule out someone from being able to perform the scum nightkill on night 1 and 2.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:47 am
by Ame
In post 921, springlullaby wrote:
Spoiler:
<Your daily FARKSCUM interlude>
In post 905, Lady Chloe wrote:In a game where scum have incentive to doubt others at any possible angle
Very good point.++

If you read Farkset. I mean
really
read it *cougPinecough* you'll see that you'll get a vague ok impression at first, because the slot speaks a lot.
BUT if you filter for what is said, the net total of about all their posts repeat a same single message: "everyone can be suspicious".
He has up until now, even on me who is "50/50", provided exactly zero read.

</Your daily FARKSCUM interlude>
^This
In post 938, Hectic wrote:How can you tell I'm here lurking, Ame?
It says you're online on the bottom of the page.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:47 am
by Hectic
momo, could you look over the reasons Ame's given for springlullaby being town, and see if you still think she should be captured today?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:53 am
by Hectic
In post 773, Lady Chloe wrote:Hectic,
In post 674, Hectic wrote:As you wish, Lady Chloe.

You are on the RMS Moriarty. The course is set for
XP Island
. However, a tragedy has occurred. Captain
the worst
was killed in a freak accident while
Vending Fruit
to a
Paranoid Gun Owner
. The PGO fled the scene before anyone got a good look at them.

A short time later: springlullaby was found singing poems about Farkset nearby, while Ame was practising her demonic faces. You have a [Hydra, and Portable Ram] at your disposal.
Hydra. They have more eyes for different ways of seeing, and lips to make it harder to speak any lies.
Nice. You carefully take out the hydra you had stored in your backpack. This one has 3 heads, and you hear several complaints behind you about how you're "ruining the game" and that "all hydras should be policy lynched". Your hydra snaps at them and scares the heathens away.

springlullaby has stopped singing Farkset's praises and is now staring at you inquisitively. Her eyes are sending a flurry of ^s your way. Ame seems to have fallen asleep; she must be entering her dreams to figure out the mastermind behind Captain
the worst's
murder.

Which players from [Flavor Leaf, Ginnie, Something_Smart, momo, Raya36, popsofctown] does your hydra contain? And who would you like to approach of [springlullaby, Ame]?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:53 am
by Hectic
In post 941, Ame wrote:
In post 938, Hectic wrote:How can you tell I'm here lurking, Ame?
It says you're online on the bottom of the page.
You're bamboozling me, right?

Prove it with a screenshot.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:00 am
by Ame
In post 944, Hectic wrote:
In post 941, Ame wrote:
In post 938, Hectic wrote:How can you tell I'm here lurking, Ame?
It says you're online on the bottom of the page.
You're bamboozling me, right?

Prove it with a screenshot.
https://i.ibb.co/NmWShfM/ms/snippet015.jpg

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:01 am
by Hectic
That jumpscared me lol

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:02 am
by Ame
xD

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:08 am
by Ame
In post 941, Ame wrote:^This
Like the "sorting" reads really fake to me:
Spoiler:
In post 475, Farkset wrote:I think the risk for disaster is too high compared to the benefit. Effort put into mechbreaking the setup is still town points to me though - i don't think scum would try that much to validate a train cop strategy
In post 888, Farkset wrote:I am still unable to sort you based on this, because there is a significant chance that you are tunneled town, but you should reread your own words and mine by making sure to remove confbias - you will realize that i have my own reasons to say what i have said, and you have been unable or unwilling to understand them.
In post 900, Farkset wrote:Honestly - you put effort into this case, but it's weak, reachy and loaded. This is worth analyzing - is this outside of your scumrange? Please link some of your scumgames.
In post 933, Farkset wrote:Still waiting for your scumgames, i'm going to search for them anyways later but i'd be grateful if you could save me the effort.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:09 am
by Farkset
In post 941, Ame wrote:
In post 921, springlullaby wrote:
Spoiler:
<Your daily FARKSCUM interlude>
In post 905, Lady Chloe wrote:In a game where scum have incentive to doubt others at any possible angle
Very good point.++

If you read Farkset. I mean
really
read it *cougPinecough* you'll see that you'll get a vague ok impression at first, because the slot speaks a lot.
BUT if you filter for what is said, the net total of about all their posts repeat a same single message: "everyone can be suspicious".
He has up until now, even on me who is "50/50", provided exactly zero read.

</Your daily FARKSCUM interlude>
^This
Are you like for real? This is obvious level burden of proficiency...
~ker