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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:06 am
by Ruby Red
With 10 alive, it's 6 to dunk on someone.
(expired on 2020-08-17 08:18:59) until our crash landing.
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:16 am
by innocentvillager
VOTE: Chemical Elements time to dunk, we're running out of time
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:18 am
by innocentvillager
we need to be careful of chain dunks once this elim goes through. sorry for not really being around that much lately, RL is getting busy
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:40 am
by Isis
I thought I was already voting Chemical Elements.
We do need to keep moving so let's go, VOTE: Chemical Elements.
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:06 am
by Casey
Elim chem elem elim chem elem elim chem elem clim-- dang.
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:46 am
by Casey
If this flips town Hiraki is banned from the cool kids club.
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:46 am
by Casey
(Not that he was allowed in to begin with.)
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:11 am
by Nono
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:19 am
by Nono
btw,, what i meant
just learnt to select quote, stop judging (highlight quote then "quote")
In post 203, hellbooks wrote:btw it's kind of weird you didn't have an inital opinion of innocent villager in your first readslist post (putting him in the who category)
feel like he was a big and clearly polarizing presence
In post 267, WeyounsLastClone wrote:The first thing Innocentvillager did was vote for everyone, did that not stand out to you? Or saw it as a null-tell, or townie move?
In post 293, Nono wrote:Do I have to spell it out?
*sigh*
VOTE: clone
p-edit: eh.
kbaiiiiiiii
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:20 am
by Nono
VOTE: Raya kek
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:27 am
by Hiraki
Oh beautiful, 933 will sit nicely with the end of Nono's post.
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:33 am
by Raya36
In post 848, Marksman wrote:Never mind, I read this post from Raya again and it really creeps me out.
In post 790, Raya36 wrote: In post 761, Marksman wrote:Okay, Raya. You need to look at the reasons I scumread Wey for and determine whether they were legitimate or fabricated ones for a planned bus.
Will do
As far as your first vote on him goes it was the first vote on the wagon aside from inno's vote which doesn't really count.
Correct me if I'm wrong but you scumread him for finding players who haven't posted yet to be suspicious. You questioned him about this which means you were giving him a chance.
One of the reasons I scumread him was because his biggest suspect was someone with 1 post, yes. Questioning him about this is normal and how you scumhunt. Determining questioning as "giving your scum partner a chance" is really strange.
You said we should dunk around now when Wey was tied at D-2 and you specifically said you'd be fine with Wey being dunked as well as someone much farther from being dunked. So clearly if you're partners with Wey there was 0 intent of trying to save him. You were off the wagon for a bit and stopped mentioning him so maybe you realized there'd be no saving him and the towncred was better than helping him live.
You're starting with the conclusion, and trying to find a suitable reason for it. Like, working backwards from your answer. Why is that more likely than me scumreading and wanting to dunk Wey?
Then from there you were committed to his dunk as he was the top on your list of who you wanted to dunk next.
Tell me why you couldn't have just been early distancing from Wey then later when he was essentially destined to be dunked bussing him?
What's the difference between my early and later interactions with Wey? Where is the transition from distancing to committing to bus? I don't get where you're drawing this stuff from, and concluding it's more likely a bus rather than a natural scumread.
In post 761, Marksman wrote:You said something about page 15 making you put inno down as town, and Marksman down as scum. Could you go into that?
To clarify it wasn't solely page 15. It just happened to be when I was reading 15 that I felt more confident even unrelated since I was thinking about the past pages as well.
For Inno:
-I had been agreeing with most of what he said
-He was pushing for more activity page 15
-His take in
358 seems more like something scum would turn into a scumread. Not townread them for it. I strongly think that was a more town approach to that read
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359 is good too. Maybe biased since it's my slot and I know I'm town but the fact that he defended a highly voted wagon that's conftown to me when as scum he could have just let it get eliminated. Especially in this set-up. He also continues to defend my slot.
For Marksman:
-Honestly mainly tonal
-Also biased that you keep fighting for my slot to be dunked this page and arguing with Inno who is a pretty strong townread for me
-I disagree with you saying pressure votes don't work
-You also say in
366 that Inno is a bit towny but then have him as number 3 in your dunk list.
Talked about this in
791.
Almost all of the reasons seem really fake, but the only reason I'm hesitant is because why does scum!Raya enter the game scumreading Marksman over other people who had more votes?
Section 1: I didn't mean giving your scumbuddy a chance necessarily. Regardless of your alignment I was just noting that you weren't forcing a bus as scum or an elimination as town.
Section 2: That's just how I think about things. I like to take what happened and see if I can find any motivation for it that makes sense. I never said that's more likely. That's why I said maybe. But I do know that would have been a likely situation for scum to bus if they ever would this game.
Section 3: This is all hypothetical. I'm saying it's a possibility not a conclusion. That's the tough part about mafia. It can be hard to tell if someone is natural or a bus. I'm leaning towards it being natural now but at the time I was highly considering a bus.
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:36 am
by Raya36
In post 916, Marksman wrote:I wanted her to talk about my reasons for scumreading Wey and whether she found them legitimate or bussy. Instead, she looked at what I did (like scumreading and committing to dunk Wey) and then tried to draw conclusions of how that could come from scum, instead of thinking about what scum is likely to do, and then seeing whether that's what I was doing. So again, working backwards from the conclusion.
What's wrong with that? I think backwards, you think forwards
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:38 am
by Raya36
In post 933, Nono wrote:btw,, what i meant
just learnt to select quote, stop judging (highlight quote then "quote")
You learn something new everyday....
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:36 pm
by Ruby Red
With 10 alive, it's 6 to dunk on someone.
(expired on 2020-08-17 08:18:59) until this train goes off the rails.
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:39 pm
by Ruby Red
Chemical Elements WAS DUNKED ON, HE WAS A
VANILLA TOWNIE
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:39 pm
by Ruby Red
With 9 alive, it's 5 to dunk on someone.
(expired on 2020-08-17 11:18:59) until the buzzer beeps.
Time added.
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:48 pm
by Raya36
This is frustrating. Feels like a shot in the dark now. Hiraki and Nono is where I'm placing my bets
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:10 pm
by Lavender
Ahhhhh, _o--<
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:30 pm
by Isis
I still don't see Nono the way he's being seen
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:35 pm
by Marksman
grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble
grumble
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:44 pm
by Marksman
Read list and recent thoughts and stuff
Casey - Townadise in proactiveness and that associations post.
Isis - Townage tone, nuanced thoughts of nuanceyness.
Nono - Her wallpost was Townity.
innocentvillager - Consistently speeds up dunks which is very good for town considering how slow we're going and has little towncred potential. Shady tone.
Almost50 - Has a towny tone. Disappeared recently, hasn't been very proactive.
Lavender - Close to null. Forgot to meta her. Reminder to do that tomorrow.
Raya36 - Funny feelings of fabrication.
Hiraki - I consistently disagree with his takes. Could be that we think very differently, or that his alignment differs from mine.
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:06 pm
by Almost50
At least we agree on that. Based on VCA she had very little impact on mis-dunks, and I would think scum would have needed to throw more weight to get 4 mis-dunks in a row.
I still suspect
at least one
of Nono/Isis is scum, but -as I told CE- I have no case.
I would also have Hiraki and Raya higher on my own readlist. I don't think Scum!Hiraki pushes CE so blatantly knowing he would flip green.
In short, I am lost. A BIG part of how I was reading the game has been based on CE flipping red (and thus assumed scum were lining up mis-dunks and using the deadline as a "scarecrow" to speed it up).
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:15 pm
by Marksman
Yeah, it's a little weird right now. There's not enough feelings of scuminess from the remaining players to account for 3 of them. Scum are playing well.
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:20 pm
by Marksman
In post 947, Almost50 wrote:I don't think Scum!Hiraki pushes CE so blatantly knowing he would flip green.
Eh, I think Hiraki is the type of player who would do that as scum actually. Iirc, he's done it in Chromavalon mafia, but he didn't get his target dunked in that case.