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In post 920, Dunnstral wrote:A lot of people just hopped off of Lilith. From l-1 to l-5

this is alarming to me.

when a wagon collapses for no apparent reason, it's usually because it was artificially inflated (ie; scum driven), which implies lilith is town. skitter was the only person who put in real effort for her lilith vote. everyone else seemed to be riding on her coattails.

who's scum?

i think DGB/davesaz was the tipping point and most suspect. i probably prefer davesaz over DGB, if only because DGB is doubled up with pine.

VOTE: davesaz

In post 909, Infinity 324 wrote:Random thought that better describes why I scumread hoopla: I think she’s approaching the game pretty simplistically while appearing to be thoughtful.

once a simpleton always a simpleton.

In post 925, Hoopla wrote: i think DGB/davesaz was the tipping point and most suspect. i probably prefer davesaz over DGB, if only because DGB is doubled up with pine.

VOTE: davesaz

How about me?

In post 927, Infinity 324 wrote:How about me?

good point. i forgot you were on there briefly.

@DGB

are you scum? i want you to look me in the eye and tell me the truth.

In post 929, Hoopla wrote:@DGB

are you scum? i want you to look me in the eye and tell me the truth.

i'm a cop IRL.

and if a cop asks you a question it's against the law to lie.

In post 930, Hoopla wrote:i'm a cop IRL.

and if a cop asks you a question it's against the law to lie.

no wait, it's the other way around. if you ask a cop if they're a cop, legally they have to tell you.

regardless, my question stands:

are you scum?

HOOPLA STOP SPAMMING OH MY GOD

I do like that vote by you however

But imma do this instead

UNVOTE: Lilith
VOTE: Pine

I'll admit I was voting Lilith more out of info gathering than straight up scum behaviour, although her posting was worse than a lot of the other slots who've been actively contributing imo

I think the way the game sort of stagnated in terms of conflict could be telling wrt Lilith alignment but I'm not sure if that's as much of a tell in these types of games as it is in newbie games

In post 928, Hoopla wrote:

In post 927, Infinity 324 wrote:How about me?

good point. i forgot you were on there briefly.

Was my vote scummy?

In post 932, Uncrowned wrote:HOOPLA STOP SPAMMING OH MY GOD

i'm trying to catch up. if i don't get on the podium, i'll be disappointed!

In post 935, Infinity 324 wrote:Was my vote scummy?

you are in the hot spot™

In post 683, Hoopla wrote:

In post 330, Dunnstral wrote:Also voting out Lilith who is top of the draft is not a good move, why are people starting there?

VOTE: skitter30

Because I don't like her vote and she can play like this as scum

is there a functional difference between voting out top of the draft vs. third? third is highly likely to be a PR too.

what don't you like about her vote, as opposed to every other lilith voter?

I'm not advocating voting out third of draft either. Theoretically. I didn't check Skitter's position.

I don't like the way skitter is pushing this, the other voters were rvs at the time

Pine hasn't done anything but I'm not willing to vote just based off of that reason until day 2

As for what I make of the Lilith wagon falling off: It looks like it fell apart when Skitter moved off of it

In post 931, Hoopla wrote:if you ask a cop if they're a cop, legally they have to tell you.

No they don't

We've still got 3 days so I think the timing is fine to get something out of Pine

In post 813, skitter30 wrote:

In post 811, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 804, skitter30 wrote:She literally looks like jk+++

I can't really speak to that game because I wasn't trying to read her there. But she also doesn't look that far off from Mini 2160.

Uhhhhhh what similarities do you see?
She has like 1000 posts there and i took a look at the first like 12, enough to verify that it looks transparently differnet to this game, and quite similar to classic!town!lilith

Ngl it's slightly alarming that you think the above

As I was going back through these, this is exactly what I was thinking.

Idk if this is just a feature of your playstyle S_S but the fact you aren't taking stances on these slots which are behaving in a way which I would say is pretty polarizing is weird to say the least

In post 939, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 931, Hoopla wrote:if you ask a cop if they're a cop, legally they have to tell you.

No they don't

please don't interfere with my line of questioning.

I should clarify though that I haven't read those same games, but more the concept that Lilith isn't either town or scum here

There seems to be a lot of "this could reasonably come from a town perspective" which is something we were frowning upon when Infinity was doing it earlier. The same should apply here.

We shouldn't have to perform yoga stretches to determine if something could come from a town perspective. I understand things can be NAI but this feels quite fence-sitty

In post 854, Something_Smart wrote:I mean, I'm pushing back, but not because I'm suspicious of your motivations. I don't think you're scum unless lilith is.

This is a weird take, and not one I think I can agree with. You could make the argument about it being a smart distancing strategy in the hopes people "talk her out of it" but Skitter has seemed adamant on following it up, and I'm not sure she maintains it so heavily after the last few days of game-time along with other stuff like mentioning the lack of wagon resistance if she's scum.

Plus, I think it'll be hard to pull off a reversal of her read naturally without being suspected for it at least a little, which adds to my doubts.

In post 904, Infinity 324 wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: hoopla

back to this I guess

Not sure I like this? Yeah it fits your reads but it feels like a "default" sort of move rather than a proactive town move

In post 938, Dunnstral wrote:I don't like the way skitter is pushing this, the other voters were rvs at the time

What are your thoughts on the more recent voters

The whole thing about not voting out players high in the draft is getting a little tedious.

Draft order alone isn't enough of a towncase for a player to make me not want to lynch them.

This is true
I'm feeling more and more that i may have been pushing a wagon on town!lilith, as there was little resistance, and it collapsed as soon as i moved off and wasnt calling for her head anymore
Like there's for sure scum in the people randomly moving off as i did

In post 925, Hoopla wrote:

In post 920, Dunnstral wrote:A lot of people just hopped off of Lilith. From l-1 to l-5

this is alarming to me.

when a wagon collapses for no apparent reason, it's usually because it was artificially inflated (ie; scum driven), which implies lilith is town. skitter was the only person who put in real effort for her lilith vote. everyone else seemed to be riding on her coattails.

who's scum?

i think DGB/davesaz was the tipping point and most suspect. i probably prefer davesaz over DGB, if only because DGB is doubled up with pine.

VOTE: davesaz

Huh actually looking at the votes the people who moved off are people i'm largely townreading ...
Except for like hoopla

The thing about that is that you said in when you unvoted that Lilith was still a target for you.

Since you're being TR by many in the game, with you saying that, I think the chances scum jump off the wagon that quick are less likely, considering a Lilith lynch still looks like it's still potentially on the cards.

I worded this in a dumb way but it's late and I don't know how to make it better LOL