Newbie 2045: A Midwinter Night's Dream - End!

[Battle Mage]

unwnd, you didnt think this game needed some leadership??

[Mikul]

What he said. In a world where him and I are town we need to be carried. Please save us

[Mikul]

[redacted]~f

Just specifying that because it may seem like I'm reaching for reasons but that's the summary of why I'm stretching so hard.

[Battle Mage]

Alright.

BM pulled up so that's good news. My priority this game thus far has been to sort what kind of scumteam we're dealing with. I mostly left the SE/Ringers alone outside of BBmolla (who I actually disliked) and focused on pressuring the newbies. My thought process was to see if anyone would contest my logic, but instead surprisingly, I feel like I was left a bit too unchecked. The only people who have reallly contested me are quiet/Mikul. Even Illwei to some respect. I've been ruminating on D1 and why it went down. I've been thinking about if it's Newbie/Newbie, SE/Newbie, or SE/SE. It's a bit preemptive I'll admit, but it helps my sorting and I've been more about reading the gamestate instead of fully individual players. A lot of what I see is mostly just feedback and determining what's going on around me and why.

So right now, I think that we should lim in Peta/Safebet, and I think one of them should flip scum. After processing a few things I again go back to D1 and how it unsettles me. I know for a fact I'm town therefore all of my efforts are pure, but that doesn't mean they don't have to be

wrong

as well. And let me say this: I think Peta/Safebet would both be more willing to get in my face and tell me I'm wrong (or correct my assumptions), but instead they've mostly idled and have a more meek appearance. I meant what I said when I mentioned that I liked peta playing, but if Peta were actually attuned to this game from a town mindset I feel he'd be less willing to accept it. He said today he's willing to make a case on someone (which, in terms of meta, I don't think peta likes doing that shit lol) it's a stretch, but something I read as plausible with everything presented. As for safebet? His posts err on sensibility but I think they're ineffectual. Doesn't really seem like he's scumhunting nor has a further point to make, only provocate lims and posting ideals for player behavior, which doesn't align with actually having a read on them. I'd say a lot of my conclusions about these two is represented in the gamestate, wherein I no longer am interested in the idea of Newbie/Newbie.

I do prefer Safebet before Peta though. Some part of me buys that Peta is just playing a different way and trying to help town in the meantime, but I remain skeptical so long as Peta restrains himself for ? reasons.

VOTE: Safebet

Other

yeah im down with that plan

[Mikul]

@uwnd gtyh nail both scum to a cross

[unwnd]

I legitimately think everyone has the ability to be capable and the only time I would (lead) is based on the state of the game. As in, I either think scum is winning or that town is simply not trying. I enjoy rallying spirit and posting my thoughts in hope it starts like a chain reaction and it gets others to do so as well. I can't read a dead room, but this game has given me plenty to read and think about, so I've taken a backseat in some regards. This doesn't stop me however from breaking this and wanting to post my own takes.

Honestly, you calling me robotic got me a little self-conscious, My D1 was set on being approachable to the newbies lol

[unwnd]

Uh I'm not big on herosolves, when I say 'we lim here' it's just prioritizing my reads and sorting people for that day. Right now I've made my priorities clear so you can consider that my answer to your question

[Mikul]

Robotic may be a bad term. I just typically am really into psychological reads. Scum can immulate it but you can typically pick and invested townie out pretty easily vs someone who comes off as trying to replicate that behavior.

Most of your posting in this game vs others comes off as routine and less invested than games I've skimmed of you. You peg me as the type of person who wants to solve a game. Who has pocket weird conspiracy takes. Who gets off to the idea of solving a game.

This game is just really lazy to me from others I've seen and it's a really good game to be lazy about as scum. Because I suck as town and I'm driving the car.

[Mikul]

The lack of hero solves is consistent with your meta. Will grant you that. We tend to hunt by poe in the same way

[unwnd]

I know it may shock you but I don't play the game to 3/3 Sheep me I'm Right 100% Solve D1. I actually dislike that mentality and think it's extremely selfish. I don't believe in concepts of good/bad play, it's all contextual and what I look for in most players could be boiled down to how good their linguistics are and if they are a sensible and relatively nice human being lol

I play the game for the full experience, I have some pocket takes and maybe what you see is that I'm more prone to give those out and let the room respond, but here (and on D1) I wanted the newbies to come to their own conclusions instead of relying on mine.

[Mikul]

God my cat submitted for me mid-thought

Anyways, I enjoy reading the room. I look at the game and think about the direction it's going in and who is exactly determining said direction. I find a dichotomy between town controlling the thread and scum controlling it is something that proves beneficial over time. You have games where enthusiastic scum may take a quick jump to gain influence and as I see it now I don't think that's happening. I again sit at beeboy being fine and he can continue to be fine until something changes. I mention this however because when there is a established presence then all scum really have to do is nod their head and make agreeable posts. This is where ND bothered me first and foremost. TSE largely remains weird, but I think if he's scum he's going to exaggerate more of his absurdity than less of it so it's not really a good look either way. I think Starbuck/Farside have similar posting traits but what comes out of them is vastly different. Farside seems more antagonistic/forth-right while Starbuck remains passive and slightly on the defensive.

[Mikul]

Mini 2145

Thoughts ?

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[Mikul]

That game is finished so back onto that. Thoughts?

[unwnd]

Had a more potent thought before game got locked but just wanna say my MO that game was to manipulate townies and sow seeds of doubt while maintaining consistency in my own reads

My towngame has more blemishes, I am calculated as scum lol

[quiet]

I’m also down to vote safebet. Not doing it or justifying till I’m home though, just announcing I like it a fair amount.

[Mikul]

I guess my point is in that game your scum response was the exact same thing as what you just said you do as town. Sit back and observe. I went way back to make sure I didn't hit a rule violation. I just find it interesting

[Mikul]

Also in that game. In the scum pm. You were super excited. While in game it was very slow and similar to this.

[unwnd]

I'm very self-aware and my own bias tells me I'm a better scum than town so maybe that's what you're seeing? As scum, there's less pressure to succeed, only have to look decent while faking it

As town, it's different. The pressure is on myself and I want to make sure the things I'm saying reach others. I don't know, getting a little exhausted taking turns about this. You don't need to townread me and you're free to interpret my actions however you see fit

[Mikul]

Also don't mean to keep going at it but my read on you affects my perception of the game so I'll leave it alone. I just can't shake you are usually more enthusiastic as town and most of the games you are town that shows. The games where you take a cautious approach is typically because you were scum and wanted to observe.

But I won't probe you about it anymore. Just hard to shake is all

[unwnd]

The games I was "enthusiastic" as town were

Xenoblade 2, a hyperposting 3000+ D1 where I felt obligated to post more to not fall behind
Large Normal, where the game was dead and I felt obligated to try and rally town seeing they were in a losing position
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In Lover's, I was quite reserved (though I did have a partner and a PT)
In Donnie Brasco, I was so reserved I'm pretty sure I got replaced but that was cause I was bored

So yeah not to repeat myself I very very much prefer sitting back if I'm allowed to, and if you see me doing it as scum it's because I'm trying to emulate what I perceive as my towngame

[Mikul]

@uwnd let's move to this. Turtles first wagon for being innactive. In hindsight do you think scum were on that

[Mikul]

@lunar

I am actually curious about this. Just re read

When you were at e1 and molla tried to hammer you. Why not claim doc then?

[Mikul]

Fucking christ. I'm starting to think it may be lunar / bm

[Mikul]

I'm trying my best to believe uwnd is town

molla tried to hammer lunar around post 500. He didn't claim. He said he was going away after nearly being hammered and at e1. Came back after we theory crafted set up and then claimed doc

I encourage everyone to read from 495 - 620