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[MathBlade]

The other options would be vig Dann or Jessee if you’re out there.

My cop pool while I won’t say who would be in Dann/Jessee/GreyICE/Titus.

I would say barring anything huge that should be the elim pool and Dann much as I townread his recent reactions is good.

I know they can’t all be scum but has a high likelihood of being all the scum of Grendel is.

If Grendel is town a vig on Titus for the “unless it’s a guilty” is warranted as TMI spew.

Pretty much Titus looks bad either way and really needs to do something to redeem her slot.

[Flea The Magician]

hmm... I kinda wanna do my thing and just get it done with... but consequences...

[Dannflor]

While I think you may be right on Titus, I don’t think Grendel’s actions D1 point towards him “definitely not wanting me dead”

I think it’s more likely D1 was two dueling town wagons and Grendel didn’t feel the need to lose any town cred by joining mine. Granted this is easier to see from my POV but yknow

I will say after rereading Marky Mark that the stuff I was scum reading him for seems to be fairly consistent tone / style stuff and might not be strictly AI

He just words stuff really scummily sometimes :p

[Dannflor]

Also, I did kind of suspect you might’ve had a guilty with the way you were insistent that one of us must be wrong on that read, but I didn’t see any reason to be dishonest with how I was reading him, oops

I kind of like Grey ICE’s posting but idk if that means I actually town read them

[MathBlade]

Quite possible. My PoE is too big.

I would say if you agree on Titus scum find the third if not you.

That way the vig can hopefully aim true.

[MathBlade]

hmm... I kinda wanna do my thing and just get it done with... but consequences...

You should be claiming all antitown things.

[Grendel]

Wait, as a vig aren't i confirmable tonight no matter what?

B/C from ya'lls POV i was just baiting the vig, but if that is really what you believe then the Vigilante could just shoot me tonight. Or if you guys are paranoid of mafia having some protective power, (bc im suggesting this in the first place i guess), then i could submit a small pool of players I would shoot in as vig. If a second kill occurs outside of that pool then that confirms Im scum. If a player dies in that pool i summited then I am the vig like i was saying.

Are there loop holes im missing that scum could use to prevent this, or is it a decent idea?

[Grendel]

No kill would also clear me since mafia would see fit to rb me b/c im out in the open. If i was able to get a shot off in the pool of players selected for me then i can snatch back town status. Its important to mafia to stop that from happening.

If i were lying scum then mafia wouldn't have the means to correctly ID real town vig outside of blindly guessing. SO in a world were im scum the town vig can basically always 100% guilty me at night.

[Grendel]

Chkflip faking a post restriction isn’t alignment indicative

Look at FL vs Hectic

It felt like a much more open and shut case last night while i was drinking, but i still stand by my feelings that scum are more likely to fake a post restriction then town.

You can quote games where town faked a post restriction and im sure I can also find plenty of games where scum fakes a post restriction.

On my home site I have only seen it faked by scum tmk. I might have to fact check that

[MathBlade]

Wait, as a vig aren't i confirmable tonight no matter what?

B/C from ya'lls POV i was just baiting the vig, but if that is really what you believe then the Vigilante could just shoot me tonight. Or if you guys are paranoid of mafia having some protective power, (bc im suggesting this in the first place i guess), then i could submit a small pool of players I would shoot in as vig. If a second kill occurs outside of that pool then that confirms Im scum. If a player dies in that pool i summited then I am the vig like i was saying.

Are there loop holes im missing that scum could use to prevent this, or is it a decent idea?

Or if you’re vig then that sucks.

I don’t think you are though and risking it is stupid when you’re already pretty damn confirmed.

If you flip green we know there’s an rb and they block me or I die. Then rest of town knows there is an RB and can play accordingly.

If you’re red you’re asking me to let you kill another random Townie and quite possibly bring us to near elo if it’s 8 v 3 if you miss? I believe a vig shot Kop. If it’s you sorry. It’s getting to the point elims are more important than vig shots.

[Grendel]

It's fucking cute but I'm eh-not here for it guy.

Speellllll


Mmmmyyyyyy



FUCKING




NAME



CORRECTLY

INSIGNIFICUNT




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THANKS


Now fuck off with that purposeful spelling my name wrong, yeah

Yeah

Because it's childish


More childish than not inserting periods to get around a silly technicality in my post restriction


And this is the ONE AND ONLY boys

chkflip

Stop acting like it's hard

Thank you

Fuck

Also nobody weighed in on the really weird tonal whiplash going on here. Chkflip has been p chill all day, then out of nowhere yells at me for spelling his name wrong. This happening after i repeatly said he was more abrasive in my previous exp w/ him when he was town. Looks like he was intentionally trying to play into his town game tonally after i called him out.

[Grendel]

Wait, as a vig aren't i confirmable tonight no matter what?

B/C from ya'lls POV i was just baiting the vig, but if that is really what you believe then the Vigilante could just shoot me tonight. Or if you guys are paranoid of mafia having some protective power, (bc im suggesting this in the first place i guess), then i could submit a small pool of players I would shoot in as vig. If a second kill occurs outside of that pool then that confirms Im scum. If a player dies in that pool i summited then I am the vig like i was saying.

Are there loop holes im missing that scum could use to prevent this, or is it a decent idea?

Or if you’re vig then that sucks.

I don’t think you are though and risking it is stupid when you’re already pretty damn confirmed.

If you flip green we know there’s an rb and they block me or I die. Then rest of town knows there is an RB and can play accordingly.

If you’re red you’re asking me to let you kill another random Townie and quite possibly bring us to near elo if it’s 8 v 3 if you miss? I believe a vig shot Kop. If it’s you sorry. It’s getting to the point elims are more important than vig shots.

Yeah i understand its a risky suggestion from any town player's pov. I thought it was still worth mentioning when i thought of it

[Grendel]

hmm... I kinda wanna do my thing and just get it done with... but consequences...

if its anti town, and will only become worse with time then you probably use it at some point today.

[Grendel]

*@flea*

Wait do you have to use this ablity? or can you sit on it prepetually?

[Grendel]

Im starting to wonder more if Grey is scum

Also where is Jesse & Not 15 at? can we get a prod there?

@Gamma

[Grendel]

Titus ignoring my posts as just spew and not addressing anything is really bad. THo i feel like enough stuff is pointing towards Titus being scum that at this point that im not super worried about having compelling reasons for why she needs to be flipped in future.

[Grendel]

Im pretty disappointed by the lower activity level from cassowary so far this game. I was actually really pumped about playing with her.

I think if she continues posting at this minimalist level, and reaches Elo, then this is probably scum!cass. Cass has limited exp randing mafia (only one completed game afaik), and her nerves get worse the farther into the game she goes. This manifests as her posting very minimally later into the game.

For now its pretty null behavior, tho im def not super happy with it. If she is town i think she'll pick up the pace down the road and start solving in a noticeable manner. I dont think SCum!Cass is at a point in her career where she can fake that portion of her town game. Which is why i decided to slip this meta rn, vs keeping onto it myself.

[Grendel]

While I think you may be right on Titus, I don’t think Grendel’s actions D1 point towards him “definitely not wanting me dead”

I think it’s more likely D1 was two dueling town wagons and Grendel didn’t feel the need to lose any town cred by joining mine. Granted this is easier to see from my POV but yknow

I will say after rereading Marky Mark that the stuff I was scum reading him for seems to be fairly consistent tone / style stuff and might not be strictly AI

He just words stuff really scummily sometimes :p

If i was right in you vs Mark wagons both being town I will simultaneously be proud i ID'd it D1, and sad that i moved away from thinking that was the case today.

So you've read the room and said that Titus is scum, that's good. Talking theoretically about a world where i am town, who do you think her remaining two partners are?

[Grendel]

Did anyone think Chkflip's post restriction was real?

Like, anyone?

I did my best to avoid thinking about his Post Restriction D1. Chkflip at nowhere says that he was doing it for fun tho. He played it off like it was mandatory. Titus saying nothing about it one way or another is just rand scum. Or do you disagree?

DO you also SR Jesse independent of me, or was the idea that Im flipping scum today the foundation of the read there?

What do you think of Not 15, and why are you TRing Uncrowned/Dannflor?

[Flea The Magician]

hmm... I kinda wanna do my thing and just get it done with... but consequences...

You should be claiming all antitown things.

*@flea*

Wait do you have to use this ablity? or can you sit on it prepetually?

Its 1-shot. I can sit on it as long as I like. It does have a protown use, but its very unlikely we'll see that point.

If we do, I'll hardclaim.

[MathBlade]

That’s not a claim of what it is.

[Flea The Magician]

Why you fishin?

[MathBlade]

Because you claimed an antitown ability. Standard operating procedure is to claim it.

Eg if ascetic you claim it
Miller you claim it

So I ask again what is your antitown ability.

[GreyICE]

Let me toss out a random guess. 1 shot, anti-town, probably never use it. Governor.

[Flea The Magician]

I aint claiming it until I use it.

Have a lil faith.

I'd use governor before this.