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Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:42 pm**

I'll go over this again, just to expalin why everybody should claim to guarantee a win.
If everybody claims, there is 1 of 3 things that will happen.

1)
I go uncontested, this means Zyla is conf town.
The other Power Role is uncontested.
Zyla is conf town
Scum is hiding in one of the last 2 slots.

2)
I go contested
The other Power role is uncontested
The other 2 claim town.
In this scenario, I'm lying, or the person who counter claimed me,
we have 2 days to eliminate both, meaning town wins because 1 of them is scum

3)
I go uncontested
The other Power Role goes contested
Zyla is conftown
The other person claims town
Out of the 2 people contesting the other power role, we have 2 days to hammer both, town wins

Not claiming is basically admitting you're scum.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:42 pm**

In post 916, JamesTheNames wrote:Night 1 I Zyla Jackson and got nothing, that's why I didn't pressure Jackson's slot day 2, maybe they were scum and only orc did both but I didn't think that was likely.
Nigh 2 I tracked Zyla, they didn't do anything, but a death occured, meaning they aren't a PR or scum.
If the other PR claims, and there are no counter claims, we know its one of the 2 remaining people, if there's a counter claim, we know its 50/50 either way.
Town wins.

Assuming you aren't lying,
Zyla - town
Me - town
You - town
Scum in super/unwnd?

shiiiiit if that's the case, we're in a little trouble because I was thinking the scum was in James and ninja.
I'm assuming James isn't lying cuz lying as last scum is like suicide.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:43 pm**

In post 926, Noraa wrote:
In post 916, JamesTheNames wrote:Night 1 I Zyla Jackson and got nothing, that's why I didn't pressure Jackson's slot day 2, maybe they were scum and only orc did both but I didn't think that was likely.
Nigh 2 I tracked Zyla, they didn't do anything, but a death occured, meaning they aren't a PR or scum.
If the other PR claims, and there are no counter claims, we know its one of the 2 remaining people, if there's a counter claim, we know its 50/50 either way.
Town wins.
Assuming you aren't lying,
Zyla - town
Me - town
You - town
Scum in super/unwnd?

shiiiiit if that's the case, we're in a little trouble because I was thinking the scum was in James and ninja.
I'm assuming James isn't lying cuz lying as last scum is like suicide.

Claim and town wins.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:43 pm**

In post 925, JamesTheNames wrote:Not claiming is basically admitting you're scum.

I won't claim this early in the day, sorry. However, if I believe claiming is necessary, I will do it.
Atm I think its not lylo and theres no actual need to claim?
suit yourself. I won't claim right now because that's antitown and narrows down the setup for scum.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:44 pm**

In post 927, JamesTheNames wrote:Claim and town wins.

This isn't how it works?

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:44 pm**

In post 928, Noraa wrote:
In post 925, JamesTheNames wrote:Not claiming is basically admitting you're scum.
I won't claim this early in the day, sorry. However, if I believe claiming is necessary, I will do it.
Atm I think its not lylo and theres no actual need to claim?
suit yourself. I won't claim right now because that's antitown and narrows down the setup for scum.

Did you not read 925?
I've explained how no matter what town wins here.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:46 pm**

In post 930, JamesTheNames wrote:
In post 928, Noraa wrote:
In post 925, JamesTheNames wrote:Not claiming is basically admitting you're scum.
I won't claim this early in the day, sorry. However, if I believe claiming is necessary, I will do it.
Atm I think its not lylo and theres no actual need to claim?
suit yourself. I won't claim right now because that's antitown and narrows down the setup for scum.
Did you not read 925?
I've explained how no matter what town wins here.

Hold up lemme make sure the logic checks out and if it does 100%, I'll claim.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:48 pm**

So I guess that means that Noraa, Unwnd, and Super are our major suspects, but we've got a 1/3rd chance of being in a game with a mafia-roleblocker (and jailkeeper), so I guess I'm not 100% ruled out? (I mean, I am town, but I'm not confirmed yet I guess)
But I'm down for trusting James if no one else claims

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:49 pm**

In post 932, Zyla wrote:So I guess that means that Noraa, Unwnd, and Super are our major suspects, but we've got a 1/3rd chance of being in a game with a mafia-roleblocker (and jailkeeper), so I guess I'm not 100% ruled out? (I mean, I am town, but I'm not confirmed yet I guess)
But I'm down for trusting James if no one else claims

Even if mafia roleblocked you N2, you're still town here.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:50 pm**

In post 932, Zyla wrote:So I guess that means that Noraa, Unwnd, and Super are our major suspects, but we've got a 1/3rd chance of being in a game with a mafia-roleblocker (and jailkeeper), so I guess I'm not 100% ruled out? (I mean, I am town, but I'm not confirmed yet I guess)
But I'm down for trusting James if no one else claims

correct me if im wrong but mafia role blocker can't self target
town JKer would end up as no result for trackers I think

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:50 pm**

Ok the logic basically checks out. So basically, you won't get contested if you're town because scum would be kind of stupid to do that since even if you die today, scum dies tomorrow
ok imma just assume you're telling the truth
I am vanilla town.
That means super or unwnd has one pr. The other is scum

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:51 pm**

And we have two eliminations so we just wagon me and the one out of super and unwnd that doesn't claim pr and its game over.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:51 pm**

I don't see any mechanical inconsistentcies with James' claim

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:52 pm**

I am town but the order in which we die doesn't matter anymore so im willing to die first or have scum die first. Theres no difference, just confirmed town win.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:56 pm**

In post 933, JamesTheNames wrote:
In post 932, Zyla wrote:So I guess that means that Noraa, Unwnd, and Super are our major suspects, but we've got a 1/3rd chance of being in a game with a mafia-roleblocker (and jailkeeper), so I guess I'm not 100% ruled out? (I mean, I am town, but I'm not confirmed yet I guess)
But I'm down for trusting James if no one else claims
Even if mafia roleblocked you N2, you're still town here.

It's more if mafia or JK targeted

you

, as you wouldn't have any meaningful result

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:57 pm**

Just to show it isn't any column C shenanigans I'm pulling.
If we assume there's a Cop and we're in row C, tracker makes no sense, no grid spot has Tracker + Cop. If there're masons, Tracker makes no sense. Meaning there must be a Jailkeeper if I claimed Tracker in Column C. First of all, in row C you'd have no way of knowing if there was a jailkeeper, you only get 1 kill, and if it's stopped, no kill occurs, this didn't happen N1 or N2, so if I were scum in Column C, I'd have no way of knowing if there was indeed a Jailkeeper. Secondly, I'd also claim Friendly Neighbour as Scum in Column C, it's much safer to argue I targetted JohnnyFarrar Night 1, and catboi Night 2. Claiming Tracker here is risky, as what if the person I happened to choose randomly as a track target, happened to be the Jailkeeper.

Anyway, that's the only 1 potential mechanical issue but that's explained now.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:18 pm**

Well, I guess now we wait to see what Super says

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:37 pm**

In post 939, Zyla wrote:
In post 933, JamesTheNames wrote:
In post 932, Zyla wrote:So I guess that means that Noraa, Unwnd, and Super are our major suspects, but we've got a 1/3rd chance of being in a game with a mafia-roleblocker (and jailkeeper), so I guess I'm not 100% ruled out? (I mean, I am town, but I'm not confirmed yet I guess)
But I'm down for trusting James if no one else claims
Even if mafia roleblocked you N2, you're still town here.
It's more if mafia or JK targeted
you
, as you wouldn't have any meaningful result

impossible. tracker would've gotten no result. if he got a result, its correct

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:38 pm**

FN, doc, or JK is what we have

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:40 pm**

In post 940, JamesTheNames wrote:Claiming Tracker here is risky, as what if the person I happened to choose randomly as a track target, happened to be the Jailkeeper.

if the night result you got was "no action", then that means they didn't move and were not jailed.
if zyla was jailed, you would get "no result"
if zyla moved, you would've gotten something like "they visited [blah]"

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:41 pm**

In post 2, Cabd wrote:You are a Town Tracker.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. I
f you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:43 pm**

Oh I see

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:43 pm**

I think I may have messed up.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:44 pm**

I was under the impression if they didn't do anything it would say no success.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:44 pm**

Are you saying Zyla isn't mech cleared here James?

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