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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:21 am
by Almost50
Literally 50% of ANY RANDOM GAMES you pick for either of us (including our known alts)
Off the top of my head I did it to Pooky in a recent game (and he did flip Scum, although it was by mistake since he was Traitor and was shot by his own p)
@Boxxy: Your persistence on "policy eliminations" even though it's D2, and your investigation target simply don't make me happy about you. Let's add that you weren't even on cyrus, and the ONE THING that's holding me from voting you is the fact we have no other PR flips/claims. As soon as a PR does flip I will reevaluate based on the type of power they have (and whether they're gated or not).
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:21 am
by humaneatingmonkey
Salsabil was being pushed as scum as well yesterday.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:22 am
by Almost50
+1
Can't argue against this one
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:22 am
by Dwlee99
I'm wondering if scum were somehow informed of the existence of the psychologist making boxxy think to claim detective or maybe I'm overthinking it
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:24 am
by boxxy
In post 921, nomnomnom wrote:he hasn't checked Dwlee either which he opened with a vote on him today.
Obviously if I don't get a guilty on who I check I won't push them, so whoever I do push I either got guilty on or didn't check. This is a nonsensical statement disguised as a gotcha.
Believe what you want, when cyrus flipped scum I thought you were town so I didn't check you. When bambi fakeclaimed you guilty then I went with it, because why would I not?
Tell you what, kill me and if I flip town we kill you next, deal?
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:25 am
by nomnomnom
I think scum must be logically be in between boxxy, sean and Salsabil.
I triple checked Kyouko's iso and there doesn't seem to be any obvious crumb so the only sensible reason that kyouko dies here is because kyouko established some kind of threat to the scum team.
Sean also immediately tried to push boxxy today so it's entirely possible that boxxy is town and sean has killed Kyouko for the double threat of not only being scumread by him, but also because they happened to think boxxy was town.
That's what I think so far, so I need to do a deep dive.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:26 am
by Bambi Jay
I'm the only one who read day 1 And townread him for it I guess. Maybe cuz I wasn't involved at all. I disagree with his check too but his reasoning makes sense. You all haven't really given him too much of a chance.
I personally like how sure he was here:
In post 848, boxxy wrote:Trying to fake powertown duo was a bold strat I'll give you that. If Bambi didn't get lucky it might have even worked.
But this complete reversal from reckless wagon pushing to all caution "I don't trust bambi yet," without even acknowledging that its guaranteed scum kill over 2 days might as well be a scumclaim.
Frankly I think I tricked him enough to reveal his true personality and I townread that. It doesn't sound like an evil mastermind laughing. Sounds more like an Ex Girlfriend getting vindication.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:27 am
by humaneatingmonkey
In post 930, nomnomnom wrote:Sean also immediately tried to push boxxy today so it's entirely possible that boxxy is town and sean has killed Kyouko for the double threat of not only being scumread by him, but also because they happened to think boxxy was town.
Entirely possibly, but I have a townread on Sean. I also think Cyrus egging Sean vs Monkey on was clear evidence that Sean is town.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:28 am
by boxxy
In post 930, nomnomnom wrote:I think scum must be logically be in between boxxy, sean and Salsabil.
I triple checked Kyouko's iso and there doesn't seem to be any obvious crumb so the only sensible reason that kyouko dies here is because kyouko established some kind of threat to the scum team.
Sean also immediately tried to push boxxy today so it's entirely possible that boxxy is town and sean has killed Kyouko for the double threat of not only being scumread by him, but also because they happened to think boxxy was town.
That's what I think so far, so I need to do a deep dive.
That doesn't make sense, If sean is scum, and I'm town and sean kills kyouko I wouldn't have gotten a "sean has not killed anyone" result last night.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:28 am
by boxxy
AFK for the next many hours
UNVOTE:
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:31 am
by nomnomnom
In post 933, boxxy wrote: In post 930, nomnomnom wrote:I think scum must be logically be in between boxxy, sean and Salsabil.
I triple checked Kyouko's iso and there doesn't seem to be any obvious crumb so the only sensible reason that kyouko dies here is because kyouko established some kind of threat to the scum team.
Sean also immediately tried to push boxxy today so it's entirely possible that boxxy is town and sean has killed Kyouko for the double threat of not only being scumread by him, but also because they happened to think boxxy was town.
That's what I think so far, so I need to do a deep dive.
That doesn't make sense, If sean is scum, and I'm town and sean kills kyouko I wouldn't have gotten a "sean has not killed anyone" result last night.
You don't have a hard clear on Sean it's entirely possible he was not the scum performing the nightkill.
That might be a very likely possibility if sean happens to be a scum!pr because this game is not multitasking by default.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:32 am
by nomnomnom
UNVOTE:
Give me time to check a few things first, I think I need to do a deep dive of this game.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:39 am
by Almost50
In post 930, nomnomnom wrote:I triple checked Kyouko's iso and there doesn't seem to be any obvious crumb
WIDEN YOUR VIEWS. ssbm was as confident as I that boxxy was Town, and if that lead you to deduce I am a PR it might have lead someone else to think ssbm was that PR.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:41 am
by nomnomnom
So I'll say this beforehand: another reason why i think there could be scum in Sean/Salsabil is because I know for a fact that scum!cyrus actually has a tendency to hard distance with his partners and initiate a lot of discussions with them.
That was his defining trait in a game where he was eliminated day 1 for being very obviously scum.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11165856
He has talked A LOT that way to sean and salsabil so this makes me think that these two slots could be scum. Potentially both of them. This is not something to ignore, I tend to have a strong meta on Cyrus.
I have to remind town that the first reason I suspected Cyrus is because of this weird interaction with Sean
In post 143, cyrus62 wrote:Dwlee99 is more null then town to me.
predit means they went to post but then got stoped half way though
predit. sean wanted reads super badly so im throwing out there and will change them as i see fit.
The change of read from him on Sean was also very weird, you might chalk it to "scums pretend and it doesn't mean anything about sean" but Cyrus has a meta where he tends to distance hardcore early on and it fits that narrative.
So I think perhaps we should lynch in Sean and Salsabil. I'll do a deep dive of Salsabil because I have Sean's posts a bit fresher in my mind.
pedit: Possibly, but I think NKA could also be much simpler than that. It's WIFOM but my intuition tells me kyouko was not killed because of a PR threat.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:41 am
by Almost50
On a side note:
@Bambi: THANK YOU for replacing into this game. You certainly did lighten things up.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:42 am
by nomnomnom
I think it also makes a lot less sense to consider Kyouko was a NK because he represented a PR threat because boxxy claimed a very real PR that can get guilties. I think if scums killed with the intent of eliminating PR threats, then they would have killed town!boxxy. That's one of the reason why boxxy might be scum here and why I think it's still very likely.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:46 am
by humaneatingmonkey
Kerset said he got NKA out of Night 1 and reads boxxy as town despite boxxy's survival. I do not understand why. I agree that boxxy being alive today leads to an increased chance that boxxy is scum from NKA.
I think Salsabil vs boxxy is TvS, so that takes care of itself.
This might imply that Sean should flip first, but I townread the guy.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:49 am
by Bambi Jay
In post 939, Almost50 wrote:On a side note:
@Bambi: THANK YOU for replacing into this game. You certainly did lighten things up.
It's what I do best. Plus it was a short day 1 and I didn't wanna wait in the queue too long.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:50 am
by Seanzie
In post 916, Almost50 wrote: In post 904, Seanzie wrote: In post 896, Almost50 wrote:
Say it ain't so!
Alright, alright.. I will also retract my "guilty". As I said, I am NOVICE. I couldn't have acted on N1. DUH!
Please immediately answer my questions from my earlier post
#852. I will do the ISOs you asked, but I want to get a read on YOU, and the way I will do that is by seeing how you explain yourself.
You want me to respond to..
WHAT exactly??
Idk why the link didn't work, but clearly I want you to respond to my questions in Post #852.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:52 am
by Almost50
In post 940, nomnomnom wrote:I think it also makes a lot less sense to consider Kyouko was a NK because he represented a PR threat because boxxy claimed a very real PR that can get guilties. I think if scums killed with the intent of eliminating PR threats, then they would have killed town!boxxy. That's one of the reason why boxxy might be scum here and why I think it's still very likely.
I think we're approaching this from different angles. I can see yours, so allow me to explain mine:
Detective can catch scum who have already killed (including night of check). get one scum to do all kills and the other one is "investigative immune to Detective". Furthermore, ROAMING makes it impossible for Detective to catch the second scum if they had already checked them earlier.
Now Psychologist catches scum who have the ability to kill but has not yet. This means BOTH SCUM need to kill to eliminate the threat of Psychologist. Not knowing what modifiers the Psychologist has may have confused scum. This is part of why I now believe you are Town, because if you were Scum and you did believe I was Novice then you shoot boxxy 10 times out of 10, since he is the immediate threat and I am not on N1. Unless you also believe there to be a Doctor, but that doesn't explain why you didn't shoot me either.
Has we mis-lim'd yesterday then hunting for the Psychologist would have definitely made more sense. As it is though, I can neither fully accept nor fully reject your approach.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:54 am
by Almost50
In post 941, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Kerset said he got NKA out of Night 1 and reads boxxy as town despite boxxy's survival. I do not understand why. I agree that boxxy being alive today leads to an increased chance that boxxy is scum from NKA.
I think Salsabil vs boxxy is TvS, so that takes care of itself.
This might imply that Sean should flip first, but I townread the guy.
The problem I have with the boxxy lim is that IF he's for real then the second scum does the kill tonight and they're both safe.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:55 am
by nomnomnom
One of the things that can point to town!boxxy is that, as I said, Roaming Det is a very weak role that doesn't hard clear anyone. The easiest way for scums to determine if they're safe is to see where town!boxxy is going to investigate. At the time he was pushed he declared that one of me, HEM, Salsabil or Dwlee must have been scum ("there must be scum on my wagon"). Unless the other 2 scums happen to be in that group of 4 it means that it's safe to assume one of these targets is going to be checked for scums. And that's pretty much why I didn't like letting the slot live because it's obvious that if scums have a semblance of a brain they can let the slot live if he's town, or get to live if he's scum and rely on this kind of WIFOMy logic.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:56 am
by Seanzie
In post 925, Almost50 wrote:
Literally 50% of ANY RANDOM GAMES you pick for either of us (including our known alts)
Off the top of my head I did it to Pooky in a recent game (and he did flip Scum, although it was by mistake since he was Traitor and was shot by his own p)
@Boxxy: Your persistence on "policy eliminations" even though it's D2, and your investigation target simply don't make me happy about you. Let's add that you weren't even on cyrus, and the ONE THING that's holding me from voting you is the fact we have no other PR flips/claims. As soon as a PR does flip I will reevaluate based on the type of power they have (and whether they're gated or not).
Weren't you heavily townreading Boxxy just a little while ago? Did you not think about his target at all before you wrote your reads, revolving specifically around a world where apparently Cyrus/Nom/HEM were all scum targeting Boxxy?
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:57 am
by Almost50
In post 943, Seanzie wrote:Idk why the link didn't work, but clearly I want you to respond to my questions in Post #852.
Too much effort for no gain at all, unless you missed that I changed my mind already
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:59 am
by humaneatingmonkey
I don't even believe you anymore A50. You claim that there was no reason to do what you did as scum. There's even less reason to do what you did as town.