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In post 823, Color Red wrote:This is the kind of stuff that doesn't make sense to me from green.

1. You are pushing me for what seems to be a single line in a single post that can be interpreted as scum AtE. It's very much pulling at straws

2. If me and heart are s/s, why would I ever hop off when they still have a good chance of being eliminated today? It would be objectively better to stay on to try and gain towncred. Instead they try to discredit my concerns about their slot because "oh they are just jumping off their bus of my other scumread" It's very obviously not being aware of the gamestate because they aren't interested in actually sorting.

I had to ask twice for the reasoning for their scumread on me TWICE before they actually provided it, and what they provided was a single extremely small case they seem to think has huge ramifications.
Does anyone not actively playing the game build cases like that? Would anyone actually playing the game build cases like that? It feels so obviously artificial at this point.

I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, but their recent play has been absolutely abysmal if they are town. At this point I would gladiate them if I could.



As for why they aren't scum with heart, I get the impression their case on heart is as artificial as the one on me, and their isn't a reason to artifically push a teammate.

In post 827, Color Blue wrote:I have trouble believing it's artificial from Green!scum because he pushed at you ~12m after replace in.

IMO that's far too short a time for someone to rep in, see they are scum, then scan the thread for things to attack with.

The belief that you are mafia because of that post should probably have been formed prior to replacing in, making it a belief Green had prior to receiving his role pm....

I guess it's possible he's a very daring scumbag who has no hesitation about getting into it aggressively right off the bat but I don't often see that.


I am wondering do you have any reason to townread Heart? I don't think there was anything in his iso that seemed townie and Circle does make a good case that he does seem to be just coasting with making some very noncommital comments.

In post 841, Color Blue wrote:

In post 823, Color Red wrote:2. If me and heart are s/s, why would I ever hop off when they still have a good chance of being eliminated today? It would be objectively better to stay on to try and gain towncred. Instead they try to discredit my concerns about their slot because "oh they are just jumping off their bus of my other scumread" It's very obviously not being aware of the gamestate because they aren't interested in actually sorting.

thinking more about this and I think its kind of disingenous.

Because I don't really see why town!red sheeps circle's vote on heart and then switches off before heart can even respond to the pressure on him...

also if you read the page this vote flip is on, its quite clear what the motive would be for the vote switch...

Orange votes for Green,

Penta says he might vote for green

Arrow expresses doubt about green

purple says "oh heart isnt a consensus tr?"

red is seeing momentum/opinion change on heart wagon and seems to be taking oppurtunity to try to change direction.. feels v convenient based on thread movement - not actual read change.

In post 859, Heart Shape wrote:That's who wanted it anyway for whatever reason. If Star is town and everyone wants to lim me, should just delay whatever our power is.

In post 865, Diamond Shape wrote:

In post 863, Heart Shape wrote:

In post 862, Diamond Shape wrote:

In post 852, Heart Shape wrote:

In post 849, Arrow Shape wrote:

In post 847, Heart Shape wrote:Forgot about this game.

I assume everyone's paired since we're voting. Why am I the leading wagon, and I guess I need to get the PT pm from the mod.

Ugh, why would you forget about this game with 33 posts in it? It just sounds like a blatant lie.

Why would you even say that.

It's an alt game, and so I don't alt-slip I have it on a browswer I hardly ever use.

Huh.

It's an alt game, but it's fairly active in the subforum... even if you're not on your alt surely you see the names of people posting?

I open my bookmarks and play from there. This isn't in my bookmarks on my main duh.

*Blinks.*

Okay. I... guess that's fair. I didn't know people do that.

In post 877, Heart Shape wrote:So I guess asking Star who they are leaning to delay should figure into this calculus of who to lim

In post 929, Star Shape wrote:

In post 865, Diamond Shape wrote:

In post 863, Heart Shape wrote:

In post 862, Diamond Shape wrote:

In post 852, Heart Shape wrote:

In post 849, Arrow Shape wrote:

In post 847, Heart Shape wrote:Forgot about this game.

I assume everyone's paired since we're voting. Why am I the leading wagon, and I guess I need to get the PT pm from the mod.

Ugh, why would you forget about this game with 33 posts in it? It just sounds like a blatant lie.

Why would you even say that.

It's an alt game, and so I don't alt-slip I have it on a browswer I hardly ever use.

Huh.

It's an alt game, but it's fairly active in the subforum... even if you're not on your alt surely you see the names of people posting?

I open my bookmarks and play from there. This isn't in my bookmarks on my main duh.

*Blinks.*

Okay. I... guess that's fair. I didn't know people do that.

If it means anything I do this too

Chrome for my main games and im playing this on fire fox

In post 899, Color Orange wrote:

In post 871, Heart Shape wrote:Star sounds a lot more townie that their predecessor, but I'm wary of pocket.

An interesting take. I'll be frank that my issues with Star lie pretty squarely in how lacking the new player is in charisma, so if you can provide a fair and objective town case for him I will probably take it to heart (no pun intended).

In post 901, Pentagon Shape wrote:

In post 896, Color Orange wrote:

In post 836, Pentagon Shape wrote:So I see some slight inconsistencies here. Green has Yellow, Diamond, Star as “could go either way” but later states that they “believe all unpaired folks are town and then wrongly shades red by incorrectly implying his replace out was actually voluntary when it clearly wasn’t.

So I’m torn on this because I dislike both but for different reasons, not really impressed with Star either. Diamond and Yellow are nulls am not currently worried about anyone else.

I’m thinking that it’s probably unusual for scum to right out of the gate try to put such a huge target on their back when it’s safer to not make waves.

I think a problem that only just clicked for me on seeing your post is that Green asserts that essentially, two out of three of the people in his "could go either way pile" are town to him, but never really cares to reconcile what that means for the remainder? Having two people as scum does not a solve make.

Yes, that is the one thing that continues to bother me the most about green, the constant contradictions. I think Heart’s recent posting is good and shows a nuanced view of the game and can see no agenda behind their posting. They feel really genuine to me with their recent posts.

In post 931, Color Purple wrote: Hey. Me too. What a coincidence.

In post 917, Arrow Shape wrote:Orange dipped a little in my reads.
But I should probably focus on the lurkers instead.
Then again, the lurkers replaced out, so maybe I should not.

In post 934, Star Shape wrote:

In post 901, Pentagon Shape wrote:

In post 896, Color Orange wrote:

In post 836, Pentagon Shape wrote:So I see some slight inconsistencies here. Green has Yellow, Diamond, Star as “could go either way” but later states that they “believe all unpaired folks are town and then wrongly shades red by incorrectly implying his replace out was actually voluntary when it clearly wasn’t.

So I’m torn on this because I dislike both but for different reasons, not really impressed with Star either. Diamond and Yellow are nulls am not currently worried about anyone else.

I’m thinking that it’s probably unusual for scum to right out of the gate try to put such a huge target on their back when it’s safer to not make waves.

I think a problem that only just clicked for me on seeing your post is that Green asserts that essentially, two out of three of the people in his "could go either way pile" are town to him, but never really cares to reconcile what that means for the remainder? Having two people as scum does not a solve make.

Yes, that is the one thing that continues to bother me the most about green, the constant contradictions. I think Heart’s recent posting is good and shows a nuanced view of the game and can see no agenda behind their posting. They feel really genuine to me with their recent posts.

So I don’t have to do a defense then, right?

In post 818, Color Green wrote:I swear to ~Deity~ if one me person asks about the fucking trajectory "issues" when my single focus since replacing in is to murder the shit out of Heart and Red.

Red-1's posting that was IMO manipulative being an alt-slip doesn't mean it was intended as one, so you take it as if it had been posted as red directly, and that was a tug at emotion, is the last line:

In post 150, Toogeloo wrote:The reason I thought Diamond TMI'd was because as far as I know, we don't know what our powers or modifiers are. So when he claimed that Mafia would have a Roleblock, I assumed he was talking about one of their powers and not the delay action (which isn't a Roleblock).

Shortly after, Pentagon states he didn't like Diamond, which is why I considered Pentagon a good spot to pair with.

I haven't really been trying to scum hunt, so much as figure out who would be my ideal partner.

To me this reads as trying to make you (yes you, the person behind the screen) feel sorry for not liking their approach to the game.

In post 662, Color Green wrote:I mean hell the mod gave you two freebies by making role PM color match account name and here you are still screwing up!

In post 704, Color Green wrote:Reading is clearly too hard for some of you.

Everyone else
Literal ocean trench
Red
Smaller gap
Heart

I'm at least a little shocked nobody else sees the glaring perspective slip from heart....

In post 936, Star Shape wrote:

In post 917, Arrow Shape wrote:Orange dipped a little in my reads.
But I should probably focus on the lurkers instead.
Then again, the lurkers replaced out, so maybe I should not.

Why did orange dip?

In post 908, Color Purple wrote:

In post 907, Color Blue wrote:Green saying he thinks Heart + Red are both mafia

and then Heart/Red both saying that each other are mafia but not really voting for each other.

Is a very strange look.

Put yourself in Red/Heart's shoes.

Usually when someone accuses you of being mafia with OTHER PERSON.

And that OTHER PERSON is also very scummy to you...

You'd think you'd be pretty eager to push that OTHER PERSON.

Instead Heart/Red just throw shade at each other but no votes and seem to be angling for voting out someone else.

Makes me think Green is correct about his SRs.

Green also SRed Yellow. Though, I would consider that having two correct SRs never gives you towncred. So, if anybody ever SRs Green, I would like them to remember that what Green is doing is quite brave and obvtown. I don't really SR Red atm but you're making me think about it in relation to the interactions between Red and Heart.

In post 910, Color Purple wrote:Actually, imagine if Green just solved the game. That would be worrying though.

In post 893, Color Orange wrote:The way you expressed your desire to murder Heart initially doesn't make sense to me. Calling for someone to "never make endgame" seems more like you find them not towny but also not a pressing elimination.

In post 948, Color Orange wrote:

In post 893, Color Orange wrote:The way you expressed your desire to murder Heart initially doesn't make sense to me. Calling for someone to "never make endgame" seems more like you find them not towny but also not a pressing elimination.

Did you ever respond to this, Green?