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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:01 am
by Galron
In post 164, ɀefiend wrote:I will also be keeping my own notes on people's claims, but if someone wants to neighborize me into mastina's PT so that I don't have to keep notes, it would be appreciated.
Was this a joke, zefiend?
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:02 am
by Galron
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:16 am
by Galron
I just wasted 15 minutes making a case for mastina scum but remembered at the end that Cheeky couldn't be targeted.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:18 am
by Galron
In post 173, mastina wrote:So right now, I'm thinking:
All 3 scum are in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill, House, Yume, Flea the Magician};
CheekyTeeky and MegAzumarill have a high chance of being scum;
House is less likely scum;
There's 1-2 scum in {Yume, Flea the Magician};
There's basically a guaranteed scum, 1-2, in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill}.
I'm going to at the least post this and ask mastina to address it. Just being wrong doesn't explain it I don't think.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:31 am
by Titus
In post 928, Galron wrote: In post 173, mastina wrote:So right now, I'm thinking:
All 3 scum are in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill, House, Yume, Flea the Magician};
CheekyTeeky and MegAzumarill have a high chance of being scum;
House is less likely scum;
There's 1-2 scum in {Yume, Flea the Magician};
There's basically a guaranteed scum, 1-2, in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill}.
I'm going to at the least post this and ask mastina to address it. Just being wrong doesn't explain it I don't think.
Screams like a frame up to me.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:40 am
by Galron
I don't think so if Cheeky wasn't an intentional target. But it leads me to question her process and the rest of her reads.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:45 am
by Enchant
We voting House or Me today (if that's me, then House tomorrow).
That's all.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:48 am
by Dwlee99
Not sure if Galron dumbtelling or town. Cheeky had to be the NK target for her to die there
Starting here again
VOTE: Scorpious
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:52 am
by Flea The Magician
In post 879, Greeting wrote: In post 874, Taly wrote:Greeting
, which group do you think contains 2 scum?
My mind is telling me this: (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
), my gut is telling me this: (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). So... I don't know. lol.
However, even if we assume that my gut and not my mind is correct, we have a 1/3rd chance of hitting scum in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
) and 2/7th of hitting scum in this group (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). 1/3 is 33.3% and 2/7 is 28.6%. The first one is higher.
I do have some townreads for the bigger group that could potentially narrow down the pool, but I'm not very confident about them. The assumption itself about the wagons isn't very firm, so if we add more shaky assumptions, the whole reasoning is more likely to be fallacious.
I do not, however, have any townread for players in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
).
Which is why I think that my focus will lie with those three players on Day Two.
For you, I can see this being a good group to work in.
For me, I've enough enough all scum/all town wagons to be able to work on that and you grab any 3 players you have 1-in-3 ish chance to hit scum.
So I won't be working in that pool.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:56 am
by Flea The Magician
That's just my default, honestly.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:59 am
by Flea The Magician
What happened to Enchant Mech Clear? Hmm?
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:01 am
by Enchant
What mech clear
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:08 am
by House
In post 921, Titus wrote:I'd rather us work together and I mindmelded Scoripous very hard yesterday.
Just because Cheeky was town doesn't mean they read Enchant correctly.
Me too, so here's where I'm at...
- If I recall correctly, Strongman also bypasses Hider's inherent protection.
-Even if you're right and Enchant is scum, they're low priority for me. Why? 3 reasons...
1) Enchant never lives in Elo
2) Cheeky was Enchant's beard. That scum killed her anyway means she was a bigger threat than a benefit. (This is what concerns me about Taly)
3) If the dead is ignored when they flip, town never listens to them later.
- What's your take on zefiend?
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:18 am
by Greeting
In post 887, Taly wrote: In post 881, Greeting wrote: In post 878, Taly wrote:I also don't remember
Galron's
reads from D1 so an eyebrow is raised.
I am extra cautious about
Galron
, because their open and relaxed attitude made me townread them (and they were scum) in Open 838. So I'm putting evaluating him on hold.
I didn't admit that, but I was pocketed.
Who else in the larger pool worries you?
mastina
,
Enchant
and
Galron
are three players from that pool I have very mixed feelings about. The player I feel the safest about is probably
Titus
, yourself coming next in line and
House
and
Scorpious
are a tier up from being in the front line of my suspicions.
In post 887, Taly wrote: In post 882, Greeting wrote: In post 880, Taly wrote: In post 879, Greeting wrote: In post 874, Taly wrote:Greeting
, which group do you think contains 2 scum?
My mind is telling me this: (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
), my gut is telling me this: (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). So... I don't know. lol.
However, even if we assume that my gut and not my mind is correct, we have a 1/3rd chance of hitting scum in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
) and 2/7th of hitting scum in this group (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). 1/3 is 33.3% and 2/7 is 28.6%. The first one is higher.
I do have some townreads for the bigger group that could potentially narrow down the pool, but I'm not very confident about them. The assumption itself about the wagons isn't very firm, so if we add more shaky assumptions, the whole reasoning is more likely to be fallacious.
I do not, however, have any townread for players in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
).
Which is why I think that my focus will lie with those three players on Day Two.
Good to see that we are very much on the same page. Do you have questions for me?
Yes. Whom do you think is be most likely to be scum from this pool (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
) and why?
Flea/Dwlee
come either their/faer own problems. Mind hasn't changed on
Dwlee
.
Flea
is very fluffy looking.
The concerning thing is that I doubt it's THIS easy as a scumteam. Seeing if
zefiend
push helps my thinking here.
I don't think
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
is the scumteam at all. I think at least one of them is town. I'll look back at your reads on them.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:21 am
by Greeting
Dwlee99
(+Yume)
Yume said basically nothing relevant other than stating preferences, which, contrary to
mastina
, I believe is NAI. (
105)
Notably, they also voted
CheekyTeeky
who is conftown. (
209) I am not entirely sure if this was an informed vote or not.
As for
Dwlee99
, I will skip posts which don't contain game-relevant info to me. I don't think there's anything wrong with making these, and I would be a hypocrite who's criticising someone for vibe posting when I've done it myself. The exception being if the vibe posting actually exceeds the content, however I wouldn't say it does in this case.
I do not share their town read of
ɀefiend
in
549. It is my understanding (which will not be substantiated further because of the rule not allowing me to speak of ongoing games) that
ɀefiend
is a player who posts rather infrequently. Indeed, they are after a hiatus, but I personally questioning game mechanics as NAI and something that scums could easily emulate.
I can understand, somewhat, the
Taly
read, plus
CheekyTeeky
was town.
I also do not think
Scorpious
was AtE in this game at all. (
652) I have played with
Scorpious
in the, now finished, Open 838, and I think their posting style matches that game. Then again, I have just one experience of playing with
Scorpious
and
Dwlee99
apparently has more. Maybe, if some examples were provided, I would reconsider, but I'm pretty invested in my current train of thought and tbf for now feel like giving
Scorpious
the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
There is an inconsistency between
Dwlee99
expressing doubts of
MegAzumarill
being accidentally scumread (
703), but also claiming they are fine with their elimination (
702 and later
844).
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:41 am
by Greeting
ɀefiend
ɀefiend
's main focus so far seemed to be
mastina
, which is not a bad choice at all as in my opinion that slot has some scum potential.
I believe that his view of
mastina
expressed in
164 aligns with the one I had Day One, so there is nothing for me to suspect here. In
257,
ɀefiend
claims that he likes the thought process as genuine. I think I would be inclined to agree once again with that.
Him refusing to townread
Titus
easily is a sign of caution, which I think is more likely a sign of towny reasoning than scum (
391). I feel like scum wouldn't come for
Titus
, whom quite a few players, including myself are townreading, when there exist much easier targets to miseliminate from a scum point of view.
However, he seems to be townreading
Dwlee99
in
553. I completely disagree with this take and I'm baffled as to why
Dwlee99
's entrance is so townish and
Titus
's performance could be an old dog trick. Sounds to me like both are experienced players
ɀefiend
has history with and I don't see why
Dwlee99
wouldn't be capable of old dog tricks.
The six posts don't give out a lot, but it's still more than I thought.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:44 am
by Dwlee99
Scorpius was AtEing this game, I'll find examples later.
I wasn't fine with Meg's elimination in
702. I was in
844 cause I didn't like the Enchant vote
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:52 am
by Greeting
In post 941, Dwlee99 wrote:Scorpius was AtEing this game, I'll find examples later.
I wasn't fine with Meg's elimination in
702. I was in
844 cause I didn't like the Enchant vote
My mistake. The post I was referring to was actually
652. The second one is tagged correctly.
In post 652, Dwlee99 wrote:
I'm like fine with Meg wagon but I'm really not sure how people read them cause they always are scummy.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:54 am
by Greeting
Flea The Magician
wallpost coming soon. Fae created significantly more game relevant content than these two and so I'll need more time for this and a break too.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:56 am
by Enchant
In post 937, House wrote: In post 921, Titus wrote:I'd rather us work together and I mindmelded Scoripous very hard yesterday.
Just because Cheeky was town doesn't mean they read Enchant correctly.
Me too, so here's where I'm at...
- If I recall correctly, Strongman also bypasses Hider's inherent protection.
-Even if you're right and Enchant is scum, they're low priority for me. Why? 3 reasons...
1) Enchant never lives in Elo
2) Cheeky was Enchant's beard. That scum killed her anyway means she was a bigger threat than a benefit. (This is what concerns me about Taly)
3) If the dead is ignored when they flip, town never listens to them later.
- What's your take on zefiend?
No, Strongman can't beat Hider.
Already asked.
We have roleblocker. It's 100%
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:03 am
by Galron
You guys figure out the mechs of that kill. I don't get it.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:27 am
by House
I guess the wiki lies, then.
A Mafia or Serial Killer aligned Strongman is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Strongman cannot be stopped from performing a kill, unless their target has commuted.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:29 am
by Greeting
Flea The Magician
Fae threw two votes early in the game (
14,
17). It raises an eyebrow, but it's not uncommon amongst townies in RVS, so I wouldn't raise that eyebrow too high.
Their read of
mastina
resulted in a vote, while, in contrast,
ɀefiend
withdrew. I also didn't like the way that wagon formed so fast. The main drives of the wagon were, if I remember correctly,
MegAzumarill
who is conftown.
Then again, I do think it was an easy vote to make, as
Taly
pointed out in
186.
I don't see how he fact that
mastina
made a big effort in doing what she did is a scum tell like at all, in fact I would say it's a townlean (referring to
204).
But
the rest of the post seems to be questioning the method
mastina
used to great lengths and I'd say that's a town point for fae.
While
MegAzumarill
ultimately withdrew from the wagon, fae stayed on it for a bit longer. Not sure if this alignment indicative. If made as town, shows strength of conviction. If scum, shows clutching to the last good anchor point they could find.
As for the
Enchant
read, I partly agree that this slot has scum potential and so I don't think I need to expand on this any further.
Afterwards, they seem to have... deflated a bit, but I would treat that as NAI.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:30 am
by Enchant
In post 946, House wrote:
I guess the wiki lies, then.
A Mafia or Serial Killer aligned Strongman is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Strongman cannot be stopped from performing a kill, unless their target has commuted.
Hider prevents killers from targeting self, therefory commuting.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:35 am
by Greeting
Of all those three, I'm most comfortable voting
Dwlee99
, I can pressure
ɀefiend
and I think I want to leave
Flea The Magician
for the time being.
I can buy
Flea The Magician
being town, getting very passionate and making a point fae strongly believe in and then having less motivation to carry on.
Flea The Magician
is the one out of these three that has the highest potential of being town in my opinion.
ɀefiend
is more null, there's not nearly enough yellow flags here.
Dwlee99
in my opinion has the most potential of being scum in this group.
VOTE: Dwlee99