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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:06 am
by Something_Smart
In post 922, Datisi wrote:they're using that reasoning to scumread kittytacky, who is currently my strongest scumread, why would i discourage them
because you have just proven that the reasoning is flawed? people are saying "town wouldn't do X" while fypov you are town who has done X
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:08 am
by Bell
In post 903, fireisredsir wrote: In post 881, Bell wrote:Is it really that hard to understand that I voted Norwe first because it’s RVS and I’m happy to explore where a wagon might lead on a small TR on slot that hadn’t done much and stayed there because the best defense I’ve seen is “trust me you guys, they’re super town in the neighborhood?”
You keep saying you think you get it but then you loop back right into not knowing. Ask some clarification questions instead of looping. Into a deeper and deeper series of doubt that themselves don’t make sense because it almost seems like you can’t understand how time works. \: or something?
yes it very much is? bc it wasn't rvs? it was on page 24 how is that rvs? and you've kept your vote there the entire time, so if the vote was bc you're happy to explore wagons then why not ever explore other wagons? this is starting to feel like weird excuses to not actually do any normal town behavior like hunt scum or vote for the people you think are scum
and you are responding to a quote in which i did ask clarifying questions so... yea that's what im doing. i don't get the tone here. what do you even mean that i don't understand how time works?
i never said that i get why you're doing this. i specifically said multiple times that it is really weird and doesn't make sense to me. all ive said is that now you're at least showing your thought process and i feel like i can see that thought process even though i don't really think the thought process makes sense (and tbh kind of feels fake and made up after the fact to justify your behavior considering there are unexplained holes in it)
like in that post i specifically asked you to clarify what you meant by justifying your vote as a reaction to alisae's approach to norwee, when your vote was before they took that approach. and you ignored the question. and then made up another justification that doesn't make sense (rvs??). and then said that i should be asking more clarifying questions to understand you. like what
I explicitly stated that I voted Norwe because they weren’t doing much so I had little no objection to voting them when Mastina voted them and I am slightly town leaning and then didn’t unvote them when I faced resistance because the arguments made in their defense were bad.
That’s pretty much all I have to say about this.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:09 am
by Datisi
In post 925, Something_Smart wrote: In post 922, Datisi wrote:they're using that reasoning to scumread kittytacky, who is currently my strongest scumread, why would i discourage them
because you have just proven that the reasoning is flawed? people are saying "town wouldn't do X" while fypov you are town who has done X
i don't care if they're using shit reasoning (and the collective reads on my slot fall a little) if that means kitty can die
also i think there is a very VERY big difference between me and kitty saying "i'll be posting less because of post cap" -- mainly because i have actually produced. alot of content DESPITE THE POSTING WHILE HE HASN'T
but yeah uh kill kitty
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:10 am
by Something_Smart
In post 927, Datisi wrote:also i think there is a very VERY big difference between me and kitty saying "i'll be posting less because of post cap" -- mainly because i have actually produced. alot of content DESPITE THE POSTING WHILE HE HASN'T
what about me? is it different because I didn't directly say it?
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:10 am
by Datisi
you have posted way more content than o every expected of you lole
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:12 am
by catboi
In post 919, fireisredsir wrote: In post 913, catboi wrote: In post 909, Datisi wrote:can anyone who knows bell tell me whether "i got the impression you're scum in the first 5 pages and i'm gonna stick to it" kind of behaviour is more like his town or scum game
because i can currently think of (1) reason it's townie and (1) reason it's scummy
I would say that description makes him sound like lock town tbh
i think the part of town bell that is hard for scum bell to imitate is the natural evolving thought process
and like not just sounding stiff and wooden and forced and obligatory and like he doesn't want to be there
i think him sticking to a scumread from the first 5 pages is none of those things and i don't know why it would make him locktown, do you really think that's the thing he can't do as scum?
Not in any iteration of scum-him that I've seen. It's possible he decided to actually up his game but I think it's less likely than him being town here, because generally as town he just gets a scumread and then harps on it until someone listens to him.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:12 am
by fireisredsir
SS you have posted like a ton of content relative to your usual, especially in terms of actually developing reads
enough to the point where at first i thought it was weird and the difference could be scummy, but i am feeling that less now
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:12 am
by Something_Smart
In post 929, Datisi wrote:you have posted way more content than o every expected of you lole
this makes me sad but ok I guess it's self-consistent
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:13 am
by Something_Smart
it's also like not really true I pretended to play normal for like 10 posts and then regressed
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:13 am
by PenguinPower
In post 924, Datisi wrote:
oh hi penguin why do you feel like you hate your own existence this game
because you aren't in my PT with me
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:13 am
by Something_Smart
In post 931, fireisredsir wrote:enough to the point where at first i thought it was weird and the difference could be scummy, but i am feeling that less now
can you walk me through your thoughts here in more detail?
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:14 am
by fireisredsir
In post 930, catboi wrote:Not in any iteration of scum-him that I've seen. It's possible he decided to actually up his game but I think it's less likely than him being town here, because generally as town he just gets a scumread and then harps on it until someone listens to him.
i just don't really think it would take much at all "upping his game" for him to decide to do that here
like im p sure he's aware of that pattern as town and it also happens to be incredibly easy to pull off and requires zero nuance so idk why he wouldn't do it as scum
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:17 am
by Bell
I’m one of the easiest sorts in the world.
And you either didn’t manage it or you’re scum fire.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:18 am
by fireisredsir
In post 935, Something_Smart wrote: In post 931, fireisredsir wrote:enough to the point where at first i thought it was weird and the difference could be scummy, but i am feeling that less now
can you walk me through your thoughts here in more detail?
you started the game off with lots of opinions and reads and thoughts and even early voting
ive only played with you as town i think and my experience is that you haven't really done that at all
so my first thought was that here you might be feeling some pressure to do more in order to get townread and the playstyle difference could be due to alignment difference
lately tho you've felt more what i would expect (but still giving reads), which also makes me think it isn't like a completely different playstyle, you probably just genuinely had things that you had thoughts and opinions on, which is like a good thing anyway bc now its easier to actually track what you've been thinking
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:19 am
by Bell
It doesn’t particularly matter though I sort myself in time.
I always do. I don’t this is going to be one of those games where I can’t find much to say.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:32 am
by Something_Smart
I kinda want to switch to Datisi because his recent posting about Kitty feels pretty dodgy but I'm not gonna lie I really want to see what Alisae does if Norwee gets close to elimination because that can maybe just locktown them forever.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:32 am
by Something_Smart
And, I don't really want to let the Kitty wagon become a runaway leader because he doesn't seem like someone who's likely to be able to defuse a wagon on himself.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:35 am
by Datisi
In post 940, Something_Smart wrote:I kinda want to switch to Datisi because his recent posting about Kitty feels pretty dodgy but I'm not gonna lie I really want to see what Alisae does if Norwee gets close to elimination because that can maybe just locktown them forever.
what about my posting about kitty is fucky dodgy to you
i want able to respond immediately because i was entering a supermarket w a friend and they were talking to me and i didn't want to appear like to much of an asshole
do you think scum me doesn't remember why im scumreading kitty
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:36 am
by fireisredsir
@bell i think its probably like correct play to give you time but i also think you're probably scum
the towniest thing you've done is not be completely absent and thats a p low bar
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:37 am
by Alisae
In post 904, Something_Smart wrote: In post 766, Alisae wrote:Ok but like, what you're saying, and what is like, happening, is like, completely opposite of each other and actions say more about a person than what they say so...
wouldn't that make him town then? or why would he pretend to be overly worried about the post cap as scum?
In post 914, Something_Smart wrote: In post 907, fireisredsir wrote:the postcap here is 200. i don't really think any town here should be genuinely worried about it rn if they put any actual thought into it (unless they are a huge spam poster which we don't really have any of here), which is what makes it feel kinda faked concern
I am feeling the same thing he is talking about. I make a lot of borderline useless posts. Even though I doubt I'll hit the cap, I still feel bad making those posts. It is, indeed, a psychological thing.
Kitty sounds fake you sound genuine don't ask me why. I don't particularly care about your argument and that line I think is reflective of Kitty up that point in general not just that 1 individual point. Like he says he's town and to read his motivations but when I do that I just see scum and it feels like his words do not match his actions.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:41 am
by Something_Smart
specifically the bit where you're like "yeah their reasoning is bad but I don't care haha"
I've seen that mindset before, but it's not common, and it seems like it ought to be a red flag if the wagon's widespread support is based on something that's wrong.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:44 am
by Datisi
In post 945, Something_Smart wrote:
specifically the bit where you're like "yeah their reasoning is bad but I don't care haha"
I've seen that mindset before, but it's not common, and it seems like it ought to be a red flag if the wagon's widespread support is based on something that's wrong.
i was trying to make a joke first
when you asked me why, the answer originally was "i odn't care if they're using a wrong way to get to the right conclusion" because yes i did not care
then, once you forced me into overthinking about it, i realized that the reason i "didn't care" was because the "i'm not posting because of postcap" is only scummy IF the person in question is also not actually producing content -- which is applicable to kittytacky but not to me, therefore it's not actually bad reasoning to scumread kitty for that but not me
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:50 am
by Something_Smart
that sounds like the right amount of thinking, not overthinking, lol. (it also, from the outside, could look like backtracking. I'm not saying it necessarily is)
I agree with you that, in theory, an argument could be made that Kitty's complaining about postcount is scummy, whereas yours isn't. Did anyone (other than you) make that argument? I feel like most people didn't acknowledge/remember that you had also complained about it.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:51 am
by Datisi
they didn't, i was trying to make this advanced level of communication known as a joke
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:51 am
by PenguinPower
tbf it was an obvious joke post