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Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:29 am**

In post 9287, Mislim Bait wrote:
In post 9284, Bell wrote:Guess what I just did!
That's right I just made up a case I didn't believe one iota of because believing is for suckers.
are you voting malcolm yet

Vote mathblade. Dogs stick together.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:30 am**

Hi BB, are you just gunna coast through this game and we're going to have to pull the mystery lever on you at some point or what?

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:33 am**

In post 9299, Mislim Bait wrote:I'm not arguing about his rad read its more about his read on you.
if rad's case is like a gem in the sea of rvs like you said then it's a pretty easy read.

So your case is that you don't think that he could legitimately be leaning town on me at that point in the game.

Well, I am a shining beacon of townieness his game (both in thread and in our hood), so I don't find the argument convincing in the slightest.

So there.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:33 am**

In post 9295, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 340, Rad wrote:So I went ahead and read through Luke's ISO so far...

luke's 85 is referring to Off the Hook (marci version I think... yeah confirmed in 166). I think this town read is a super easy thing for scum!Luke to say to town!OTH, but also a reasonably easy thing for scum!Luke to say to scum!OTH. Does town!Luke really have this much confidence in a town read that soon based on meta alone?

luke town reads Mala in 78/166 from Mala's 2 opening posts. 2. opening. posts. I was thinking about Mala's potential power claim - being able to talk to the dead? Intitially sounds like a townie type power, but what if it's a scum power? That would be really powerful as well, being able to talk to the dead and make up dead town reads as they see fit. Plus I think you'd be more likely to just let that one slip early as scum to try to look like a town claim, cause if you're town and you just gave away a huge power like that, you're not even going to get a chance to use it as you're most likely going to be the first NK. So I'm not sure where this town read is coming from beyond potentially reading that power as a town power and not thinking it through?

Beyond that, for the most part, Luke's posts are just about the game's flavor, some past game banter, some non-AI style conversations about game rules or theory.

I'm not saying Luke's just trying to look useful without saying much... but... yeah that's the impression I just got from reading the ISO so far. I mean I was expecting to go into it and get some decent content out of it, but it was really thin on anything useful. I know it's early game so everyone's been spamming a bunch of useless bs, but Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start, and all I really got out of it was 2 bad town reads and a lot of nothing.

Hey
@Frogster
take a quick glance at Luke's ISO and tell me if you see the same lack of content. I ask you specifically because of your 270 which makes me believe you've got an eye for that sort of thing.

I actually find it strange that Mislim Bait is defending this case as being too good to dismiss, while also calling out malcolm for being over explainy for simple reads.

Like. This entire case was:

Luke town read OTH based on Meta (and Rad did not like that). Luke town read Mala based off of her early claim (and rad did not like that). And Luke has a serious tone, but appears to be talking about non-game related stuff a lot.

I actually hated that case against me when it happened.

Mislim, do you really think that people should have read this post, and should it should have definitely swayed peoples read on me?

this has more meat than malcolm's post and this was early d1

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:34 am**

In post 9302, Bell wrote:Hi BB, are you just gunna coast through this game and we're going to have to pull the mystery lever on you at some point or what?

Gonna coast until I find something to grab on to...yeah.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:35 am**

I think that the meat behind his rad read was pretty solid.

It really does feel like you are arguing that Malcolm could not think that I am town as of post 431.

Which is a hard argument for me to swallow.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:37 am**

so like malcolm just townreads you because you're neighbors is what I'm seeing.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:41 am**

In post 9307, Mislim Bait wrote:so like malcolm just townreads you because you're neighbors is what I'm seeing.

I never said that.

But I now see that you might be arguing that the issue is that Malcolm did not town case me prior to calling me a town read, which feels equally off. So, :shrug:

I have made my case for townMalcolm, and if enough people don't buy it, then I guess that is that. But I am happy keeping my vote on Math or other potential alternate wagons.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:42 am**

I think it’s easier to ask who doesn’t townread Luke that isn’t named Pooky right now. Then decide if having a different reason to townread Luke compared to the next body or even to yourself, is scummy.

It’s not, but you could do that.

And then we get back on math.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:43 am**

In post 9305, Best Bird wrote:
In post 9302, Bell wrote:Hi BB, are you just gunna coast through this game and we're going to have to pull the mystery lever on you at some point or what?
Gonna coast until I find something to grab on to...yeah.

373 pages, 3 flips.
You need to trade those flippers out for hands.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:44 am**

I don’t townread Malcolm but I townread Luke and trust that his reasoning for townreading Malcolm is somewhat substantiated, not that it’s necessarily correct. So for that reason, today I’m out.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:47 am**

In post 9311, RCEnigma wrote:I don’t townread Malcolm but I townread Luke and trust that his reasoning for townreading Malcolm is somewhat substantiated, not that it’s necessarily correct. So for that reason, today I’m out.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:49 am**

In post 9310, Bell wrote:
In post 9305, Best Bird wrote:
In post 9302, Bell wrote:Hi BB, are you just gunna coast through this game and we're going to have to pull the mystery lever on you at some point or what?
Gonna coast until I find something to grab on to...yeah.
373 pages, 3 flips.
You need to trade those flippers out for hands.

yeah - 373 pages of which i've read a 1/10th of (and probably only 1/10th is of actual use) and a gladiated d1 flip....ooooh - so much info.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:50 am**

Calling a fight TvT then town reading one side and calling it wrong without a reason is always a bad look for me.
if you think it's TvT then the least you could do is make it stop and tell them why they're wrong

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:50 am**

Yeah I could go for bb after math.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:51 am**

I find that telling people they are wrong is an excellent way to diffuse situations.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:52 am**

who got the list of claimed neighbors

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:52 am**

Telling people they are wrong is an excellent way to get them to stop, yes.

PEdit: How???? Why???

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:53 am**

RCE now confirmed town I won't hear anything different

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:53 am**

In post 9316, RCEnigma wrote:I find that telling people they are wrong is an excellent way to diffuse situations.

you are wrong

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:59 am**

In post 3097, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 3070, Rad wrote:Yooo RCE.

I had a scum read on your slot for a long time but then The toad, well, he started to win me over. He will be missed, but now you're here, so that's fun!
Well that’s a good trajectory because I’m basically confirmed!

The prophecy has come full circle.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:00 am**

In post 9313, Best Bird wrote:
In post 9310, Bell wrote:
In post 9305, Best Bird wrote:
In post 9302, Bell wrote:Hi BB, are you just gunna coast through this game and we're going to have to pull the mystery lever on you at some point or what?
Gonna coast until I find something to grab on to...yeah.
373 pages, 3 flips.
You need to trade those flippers out for hands.
yeah - 373 pages of which i've read a 1/10th of (and probably only 1/10th is of actual use) and a gladiated d1 flip....ooooh - so much info.

This first bit is fair enough.
The argument that the gladiate was low info an there's not much to be gained from how everyone reacted to it, I don't really agree with. There should be some pretty AI reactions to it.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:03 am**

In post 9314, Mislim Bait wrote:Calling a fight TvT then town reading one side and calling it wrong without a reason is always a bad look for me.
if you think it's TvT then the least you could do is make it stop and tell them why they're wrong

This just in, Frogster was scum

In post 356, Frogsterking wrote:I actually believe now that Luke v Rad is TvT, and I think Pooky being paranoid about me is more likely to come from Town

So is Johnny

In post 370, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Luke reads great to me, y'all. No Luke or Rad votes today

And the toad.

In post 393, The toad wrote:
In post 356, Frogsterking wrote:I actually believe now that Luke v Rad is TvT, and I think Pooky being paranoid about me is more likely to come from Town
agree

All of these are apparently non-issues, but the one that actually came with a Rad town case. Now that one.

Posted: **Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:04 am**

I also very much feel like Mislim Bait has moved the goal post at least a couple of times, and the thing that he is arguing now is not the same thing that he was arguing before.

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