In post 9258, Miss Lane wrote: In post 9239, EspressoPatronum wrote:Just to bring everyone back on track + to help those who missed the case on Wooper/Zor:
We have a fairly reliable 50/50 in Zora or Wooper.
Amrun PI'd FormerFish's body to identify his killer (the aasimar woman) and 5 random names.
Sure.
Through PoE, there's a strong chance that it's Zora or Wooper. Even without Amrun's list, there's ample reasons for lynching either.
I very strongly disagree with this, and you presenting it as such makes Wooper seem like a much more repulsive lynch, and you more interesting. It should be noted that your name is on that list.
I've noted several times today that my name was on the list. The purpose of this post was a TL;DR to get people back on track. You're welcome to check my ISO to confirm.
Wooper is the better target for 3 reasons.
1) Wooper has been hard lurking. Some have mentioned this is a scumtell for Wooper.
You don't seem to believe that, I certainly don't.
What makes you think I don't believe my case on Wooper?
Other players have presented counters to this that include the fact that this isn't really a scum tell for Wooper, and this evidence is statistically unreliable being cherrypicked from select games and ignoring others.
off the top of my head, the people I trust the most in this game have said that Wooper's lurking = scummy behaviour for Wooper. Perhaps you are giving different weight to different players.
2) Wooper's response to being pushed was to essentially give up. Wooper offered no real defence + refused to claim or flavour claim.
No, it wasn't. He defended himself, and he flavor claimed. This is untrue.
Please quote me the elements of Wooper's response that you consider a 'real defence.'
I take your point about the flavour claim piece btw. Gobble highlighted that shortly after my post. I'll backtrack slightly and say that despite Wooper giving us some flavour, it isn't enough to help us with the case.
3) InsideJob's hid behind Zora and subsequently inno'd Zora. While Rauth's lie detector identified this statement as false, it's unclear when InsideJob was culted + how that impacted Rauth's results.
Exactly. The inno on Zora is shady and unreliable.
Correct, but Rauth has addressed this. Given NAR, Rauth thinks the claim would have come back as false even if Inside Job was town at the time. By no means is this exonerating evidence. It makes things unclear, which is exactly what I said.
In light of the muddied waters, it seems better to test the 50/50 on Wooper, who is more scummy.
If you're saying Wooper's play is more scummy, I'd really like you to point to where, unless you intend on pointing back to the first two points of this argument, in which case I would point out that both of those two statements are either intentional manipulations of data or ignorant of legitimate facts contrary to the assertions in them.
Can you expand on this please? Imo, it's perfectly legitimate to say that 'in light of muddied waters (ie. Point #3), it is better to vote for Wooper because he is more scummy (point #1). I'm not sure why you're saying I'm manipulating the facts
Zora is far scummier than Wooper, IMO,
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for reasons that I've already outlined. The only legitimate reason to lynch Wooper over Zora is that Zora's "inno" is relatively plausible, but I think both player's actions are contrary to the way things look to be framed mechanically speaking.
Is it mechanically likely that Wooper is scum based solely off of Amrun's list? Yes. Are there any other good reasons? Not particularly,
not true. Remember that BB's flavour claim failed on Wooper. That's why asked about ascetic
unless you for some reason think that lurking is a good scum tell w/ 28 players remaining in the game, and even then that's a terrible argument to lynch someone, especially when there are so many actually scummy players.
I have consistently been anti-lurker in this game and all my past games. Like it or hate it, that's how I see the game. Lurking is scummy.
Your post here feels very disingenuous and manipulative, ignorant of events that prove contrary to it,
do you actually believe this? I'd like to think I'm paying very close attention to the game.
and it very much feels like you think Wooper is scum and are manipulating facts to fit your evidence.
" I would have steered fucking clear