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thil13 [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3013142#p3013142]ISO #26[/url] wrote:Right now my reads fit in with the group, and just listing them out would rehash what has already been said.

Since the two lynches we've had have both been town, I'm thinking the scum are among the people who are lurking (If you want to be a jerk and call me out on this, go ahead, it should make you look more town) but clearly all of them couldn't be.

espeonage at L-3.

General opinion would seem to be espeonage is scum, yet thil provides no reason for not voting, despite saying his reads fit in with the group. He also thinks scum are among the lurkers - an opinion not voiced strongly by anybody else (thus not really fitting in with the group). Who is he classifying as lurking anyway? In other words, a very vague and non-specific attack.

thil13 [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3019612#p3019612]ISO #33[/url] wrote:What I do with my vote is completely up to me, I don't think I want to use it yet.

He doesn't he wants to use his own vote. What about voting with popular opinion? He admitted to having similar reads earlier. (See #26)

thil13 [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3020833#p3020833]ISO #34[/url] wrote:I'm just not confident in any vote that I could lay down right now. And I don't see how not-voting would be scummy, in fact, it would let the day go longer, and with more being said means more information for town. But if you want me to lay down a vote, give me a good person to vote, and exactly why I should.

See #33.

thil13 [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3020864#p3020864]ISO #35[/url] wrote:I've been reading the thread Ythan. I said, I'm not confident with a vote, so clearly all the previous cases weren't enough to convince me.

See #34.

thil13 [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3025439#p3025439]ISO #38[/url] wrote:Am I the only person that thinks Hohum is trolling?

I'm not even sure what he means here... is he calling hohum trolling town? Trolling scum?

thil13 [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3020864#p3020864]ISO #35[/url], 2 posts after hohum wrote:I've been reading the thread Ythan. I said, I'm not confident with a vote, so clearly all the previous cases weren't enough to convince me.

thil13 [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3020979#p3020979]ISO #36[/url], 11 posts after ISO #36 wrote:

vote: Hohum

I have never seen a more spontaneous vote and that does not sit well with me.

So, hohum makes this 'spontaneous' vote, thil makes a post, then 11 posts later decides to vote hohum without even mentioning him in the first post.

RC's post here also covers this pretty well.

thil13 [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2943135#p2943135]ISO #5[/url] wrote:Ok tragedy. Chill out about my "lurking" what else do you actually have on me to call me scum?

He later contradicts this by saying scum are lurking in #26 (in that aforementioned non-specific attack).

thil13 [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2975889#p2975889]ISO #10[/url] wrote:Tragedy, you keep trying to make a case against someone, but you aren't even committing yourself to them.(I'm aware that this has been said before)

What exactly are you trying to accomplish by passively tunneling on me? I'd say you are just scum trying to start a wagon without being involved with the lynch.

vote: Tragedy

This coming from somebody who later agrees with the popular read of espeonage as scum (see #26) yet doesn't vote (see #34).

danakillsu wrote:Let's lynch Espeonage and see where it goes. If he flips town, I will be MORE inclined to lynch esurio.

Why?

Kdub wrote:After rereading a bit, I'm pretty sure Xtoxm/hohum is town.

Is this based on posts from Xtoxm, hohum, or a combination of the two of them?



Your post suggests you believe I have a history of trying to find scummy things in things that aren't scummy. Y/N? Also:

Pinky and the Brain wrote:@ mb: Scumspects still the same as yesterday (and, by extension, roughly the same as Day 1)?

esuriospiritus wrote:Pine is absolutely right that people are trying to discredit him before he even has a chance to post reads.

Umm. Awwwwwkward.

hohum wrote:I've been on record for a few pages now as saying I think

[the Espeonage/Pine slot is]

town.

You never provided reasoning, though. I would be grateful if you did?

Kdub wrote:

GhostWriter wrote:And I don't really find the DBE wagon speed disturbing, I find the TMH counter wagon speed disturbing. No, I wasn't expecting serious reasons. However, with reasonings of wanting a RVS wagon to hop on, but not going for an already begun one, I became wary.

The way you worded your original statement seemed like you were uncomfortable with the speed of BOTH wagons, TMH's wagon moreso. Bunnylover also raises a good point: why are you not looking at the TMH counter-wagon and who might be scum on it? We're on D3, page 32, and the best lead you have is a page 1 wagon with no follow-up?

Why would I look on the counter-wagon first? I'd have to go through them to try to find scum, and even with a scum flip, it wouldn't confirm Bunny as scum as well. If I believe that scum are protecting scum, I don't go after the one's protecting, I go after the one being protected, as there is likely a power-related reason for it. And then you look for the rest using post-flip analysis. That wasn't a good point, it was a terrible one.

Dekes wrote:

Dekes wrote:@Ghostwriter
Espeo needs to contribute to solidify your town read on him. Agree or disagree?

That's the second time you avoided a question, Ghostwriter.

Because it feels like a leading question. You wanted me to answer "yes" so that it'd be like me adding pressure to a case I'm just not behind. And I don't have some huge town read on that slot. I just don't have a scummy one. I believe I first called it as "more than likely town" or something like that. And that was based on the fact that there didn't really seem all that great a case around him, he defended well enough, and yet kept being almost dogmatically chased after.

Dekes wrote:

GhostWriter wrote:Now? Now? That isn't a recent quote from me. It was my reason for staying on the DBE wagon after RVS. However, DBE was never around, so there was no way I'd get support for it. While looking back, I realized that, with the replacement, perhaps now the wagon would fair better. And I don't really find the DBE wagon speed disturbing, I find the TMH counter wagon speed disturbing. No, I wasn't expecting serious reasons. However, with reasonings of wanting a RVS wagon to hop on, but not going for an already begun one, I became wary.

I call BS. Let's look at the TMH counterwagon on D1. First two voters were RC and CSL/Ythan, hardly the driving forces of the wagon. So the people who really wagoned were esurio, mb, myself and Lelouch. One of those flipped town, another is one of your stronger town-reads and the other two are as townie as it gets. If you really believed in your theory you would've pressured some of those people on the counterwagon. But there is nothing in your Iso, absolutely nothing.

Except that I was on Lelouch's wagon. Granted, I didn't list that as part of the motivation, but given the reactions so far, you'll have to go ahead and guess why it got left out. I also don't trust Esurio and you, though that's, admittedly, partly because of that whole vote bloc thing. As for MB, I look at him as the less-town Espeo. Actually been leaning scum for me due to almost no questioning of his motives despite them being pretty much the same as Espeo's.
I do not even remotely post everything I think unless I think I'm acting overwhelmingly nightkill targetable.
Also, I wouldn't, as mentioned further up, pressure the people on the counter-wagon until I had proof the counter-wagon existed and then I'd use post-flip analysis to help with that. And I couldn't exactly pressure DBE with her not being here, now could I? By the time Bunny replaced in, I was doing other things.

RC wrote:

Ythan 841 wrote:After all that talk about not finding one convincing case in 34 pages you place that vote?

This.

You know what this feels like, Ythan? This feels like thil felt a little fire under his feet from us, and all of a sudden decided he should hurry up and cast the first "most reasonable" vote in order to blend back into the background. Either that or his buddies in the scum QT said something like, "you better hurry up and throw some vote down before too many people pick up on this".

But, yeah, it feels completely fraudulent and forced.

Unvote

;

vote: thil13

You seem to be implying scum have daytalk.

esuriospiritus wrote:So I'm allowed to comment when people place idiotic votes on

other

people, but if I say anything about people placing idiotic votes on myself it's disingenuous and OMGUS?

Personally, I think the problem was that you replied with a laugh. I'd expect you to respond to it, and make him regret the vote. Hell, had you not responded to it, it'd have felt very wrong. But I expected something being said. Like, actually said. You know, the way yo do when they put idiotic votes on other people. But I agree, the vote was fairly idiotic.

hohum wrote:

lewarcher82 wrote:Posting from handy: now we really should lynch espeonage. Why? Because he is scum, and because the fail peole who joined in and attack obvtown are implicitely and explicitely defending him. This espeonage shit went on too long and we really need his flip.

Xtoxm was ridicuulous, no one insulted him. Hohum seems to have more balls, but he should really take some time to reread bfore attacking esurio, for no reason.

And ythan: esurio's laughter was an absolutely understandable reaction.

General information, for thil and everyone: not voting means preventing game from proceeding. Which is evidenntly an advantage to scum. I don't want to hurt the feelings of someone who feels like xtoxm about this game, but who does not understand this basic rules shhould quit mafia and consider bowling instead.

The only thing you're trying to do here is rush a mislynch and what's worse is you're browbeating and throwing lots of useless words into a post to make it seem as if you actually have a valid point.

Completely agreed.

danakillsu wrote:I'm not really getting the "your laughter wasn't spontaneous/genuine, therefore you're scummy" thing. Why does it seem like a ton of people want to attack esurio for crappy reasons? Maybe we shouldn't go there for now, honestly. Let's lynch Espeonage and see where it goes. If he flips town, I will be MORE inclined to lynch esurio.

Why? Specifically why would you be more inclined to lynch Esurio? What is the connection you've made? Because from looking at this, it seems that you've somehow connected the laughter thing to the case against Espeo. Which, of course, makes no sense, as the two are completely unrelated.

RedCoyote wrote:

mb53 902 wrote:Thil's vote is bad. No question. I am unsure whether it is noob town bad, or scum bad. As said before, I had more of a town read on thil, but I'm not sure. I'll leave him null for now.

Sound familiar, anyone?

RC 441 wrote:

mb53 185 wrote:Maybe I am wrong with my read on lelouch (I have accidentally defended scum before, I can link if you want me to), but I feel he is genuinly trying (even in the post where he gave up he was scum hunting lol). I don't know what to think of the quicktopic topic, it may or may not be a coincidence.

Again, just a very innocent act about his stance on Leouch. "Maybe I'm wrong..." "I've accidentally been wrong before..." "it may be a coincidence...". Feels manipulative in the sense that mb53 is giving a heaping dose of uncertainty. Compare this to his post 174. This post is more rational and less full of doubt.

I just wanted to point this post out. This is pretty much what I was talking about earlier in this post (questions section) about why I'm having MB lean scum now. Furthermore, the defense is downright pathetic. Why? Because of how quickly it came. And because it completely changes what the accusation reads as, or at least what I percieve it to read as. I read RC as pointing out MB's need to repeatedly point out null reads and almost stress the fact that they're null. You can have null reads. That's all good. Everyone has them. But they don't go around shouting it to look like they're giving reads on players. Giving a null read is barely better than saying nothing at all. Adding details on why it's null rarely helps.

Not gonna quote the Thil-case post, but I definitely give it my support. As well as Dana being scum. And I'm even willing to get on an MB wagon should one arise. My vote isn't going to get anything I want done, not when Bunny can hide behind others defending her, though I guess I can understand why the defense happened. Still, it stops me from reading her. And it's just one of those times where you feel someone is scum and really wanna see them dead and red. But that's controllable. Expecially with these others around.