Mini 1214: Box Office Mafia (Game Over!)

[Quilford]

why does PR evidence point to me scum. Explain fully

i hadn't actually read my wincon, but that does heavily point to time specific scum

And why was tcl scummy

Why is charter not scummy

[chamber]

I'm not fucking charter. Hes dead in this game for fucks sake.

[Quilford]

Darox

HOW THE FUCK, as scum, could I have blundered my way through these last few pages not realizing that there could be both past and future scum. How the fuck could I have made all those points about IS/charter interactions AND NOT REALISE THEY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN ON THE SAME FUCKING TEAM

COME

ON

[Quilford]

your names are two fucking letters apart

Excuse me if i cant be fucked to remember who is who

[Darox]

Darox

HOW THE FUCK, as scum, could I have blundered my way through these last few pages not realizing that there could be both past and future scum. How the fuck could I have made all those points about IS/charter interactions AND NOT REALISE

THEY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN ON THE SAME FUCKING TEAM

COME

ON

I don't get bolded.

Why did that become the case?

[Quilford]

because my wincon and the fact that there is one mafia flipped make it fucking obvious there is past and future scums and they are distinct from each other

they can't be scum together because IS flipped scum in the future and this is the past

[Darox]

Still don't see how that excludes chamber from being future scum.

[Quilford]

because if he is we've fucking lost already okay

How could I say anything I've said since replacing in as scum

Hmmmmm?

[Quilford]

WHY WOULD HE BE SO DESPERATE AS FUTURE SCUM

NOT RESIGNED TO THE FATE THAT EVEN IF HE GETS THROUGH THIS ALIVE UNLESS I AM PAST SCUM HE LOSES

[Darox]

Nah.

If we lynched him while switching to the future, we would still win.

[Darox]

Actually, now I'm curious.

@Mod,

do win conditions get checked between a lynch occuring and the time period changing, or are they treated as acting simultaneously?

[ooba]

Actually, now I'm curious.

@Mod,

do win conditions get checked between a lynch occuring and the time period changing, or are they treated as acting simultaneously?

The time period change occurs after the lynch. They are not simultaneous.

[ooba]

Current BO Mode

Past

Vote Count: Lynch

chamber(1):

Quilford

Quilford(1):

chamber

Not Voting (2):

PeregrineV, Darox

With 4 alive, it's 3 to lynch!

Vote Count: BO Mode

Past (0):

Future (0):

Not Voting (4):

PeregrineV, Darox, chamber, Quilford

With 4 alive, it's 3 for a majority!

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Deadline is in

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[chamber]

But since we are at 4 and not 3, we could still theoretically get away with it just fine.

[PeregrineV]

OK, going with the scum future and scum past thing, it only makes sense if there is 1 future and 1 past. Then you throw in the SK, that makes 3.

BO Vote: Future

@Darox- With the duel between the two, you now have time to post your PM.

[chamber]

OK, going with the scum future and scum past thing, it only makes sense if there is 1 future and 1 past. Then you throw in the SK, that makes 3.

BO Vote: Future

@Darox- With the duel between the two, you now have time to post your PM.

This post makes no sence. If there were only 1 scum in the future, we'd have already won, so you are saying you don't think there is past/future scum at all? But if thats the case why vote?

(also from a balance stand point 1/1//1/1 would be incredibly town sided, I'm not sure how 2/1//2/1 would be, though each individually would be town sided, so I imagine it wouldn't be that bad overall, as long as the scum not in their time zone largely played as town.)

And why are you still hung up on Darox?

[PeregrineV]

OK, going with the scum future and scum past thing, it only makes sense if there is 1 future and 1 past. Then you throw in the SK, that makes 3.

BO Vote: Future

@Darox- With the duel between the two, you now have time to post your PM.

This post makes no sence. If there were only 1 scum in the future, we'd have already won, so you are saying you don't think there is past/future scum at all? But if thats the case why vote?

(also from a balance stand point 1/1//1/1 would be incredibly town sided, I'm not sure how 2/1//2/1 would be, though each individually would be town sided, so I imagine it wouldn't be that bad overall, as long as the scum not in their time zone largely played as town.)

And why are you still hung up on Darox?

I guess you're right.

How do you answer Quilford here as to how helpful a scumrole he has is:

I would also like Darox and Peregrine to ask themselves what use my role would be as scum. It guarantees the town a 50% chance of lynching scum.

And Darox is the only one who has posted his role yet. It makes me incredibly suspicious.

[chamber]

How do you answer Quilford here as to how helpful a scumrole he has is:

Its only actually 50/50 if its horribly missused. Scum could easily manuever situations where they get rid of a townie more guilty looking than themselves, but not the optimal lynch for the day. Any ability that can screw with the lynch as much as it does is powerful. It only looks weak now because it was used in mylo when he was the likely lynch anyway. (And we have no reason to think hes actually vanilla in the future other than him saying so, in fact him being a role blocker makes a lot more sense).

[PeregrineV]

How do you answer Quilford here as to how helpful a scumrole he has is:

Its only actually 50/50 if its horribly missused. Scum could easily manuever situations where they get rid of a townie more guilty looking than themselves, but not the optimal lynch for the day. Any ability that can screw with the lynch as much as it does is powerful. It only looks weak now because it was used in mylo when he was the likely lynch anyway. (And we have no reason to think hes actually vanilla in the future other than him saying so, in fact him being a role blocker makes a lot more sense).

Right, then why pick you to duel when I'm the obvious choice?

[chamber]

My pet theory is that he chose to attack me over yourself as a gambit, to make people ask that very question. The other possability is that he simply hadn't read the thread before committing to attacking me very early, and found it hard to back off from that position even though it would be beneficial (had he dueled you I'd have voted for him in a second).

[Darox]

PEREGRINE.

I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A GAME OF MAFIA AND EVERYTHING IS TRADITIONALLY TREATED WITH SUSPICION, EVEN MOD RESULTS.

HOWEVER, I AM ONE HUNDRED PERCENT TOWN.

GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD.

THERE IS NO OTHER POSSIBILITY.

IF I WAS SCUM, I WOULD HAVE WON THE GAME.

[Darox]

In other news, there is no reason not to swap to the future.

Assuming we hit past scum: We lynch them, there are no more past scum, we win the game.
Assuming we hit future scum: We lynch them, but because we still have a 2:1 number advantage we don't autolose to the past scum, and before he gets any night actions we switch to the future and deny him a kill, then win the game.

[PeregrineV]

HOWEVER, I AM ONE HUNDRED PERCENT TOWN.

GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD.

THERE IS NO OTHER POSSIBILITY.

IF I WAS SCUM, I WOULD HAVE WON THE GAME.

Me too, for the same reason.

So, now that's cleared up, who are you thinking is scum, and why?

[Darox]

Nah.
Assuming a past/future split, it's entirely possible for you to be scum.

Quilford is my pick.
Would think this is obvious.

[PeregrineV]

Assuming a past/future split, it's entirely possible for you to be scum.

Ditto.

Quilford is my pick.
Would think this is obvious.

No, it's not obvious to me. Can you tell me why Quilford, why not chamber?