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I sense that Furcolow has a sticky, non-cyclable ability. It's not a normal claim. It's off.

I don't believe he has the same role.

So then why claim it?

↑ Junpei wrote:So then why claim it?

He's beating us to the punch.

Ok I am decently caught up. I have a couple questions.

@ML- I found it bizarre that you changed your scum read on nopoint to town right before he got vigged shot and I couldn't find your reasons as to why... could u explain?
To anyone- where did Furc claim third party?

He didn't, he claimed a very unusual ability, and DBG is saying that she "feels it is third party based on last game". Upon inquiry we find that the reason it is a third party role to her is that it is unlike all other claimed abilities.

Ok that makes sense. I read Furc's ability and he said he was a "motivator" I believe.
And that he has no idea what it does... sounds good.

Catching up on reading, I have a post tomorrow. For sure by Friday. I've got a lot of stuff coming up, four exams in the next two weeks, but I'll try to keep at caught up as possible throughout that time.

↑ RedCoyote wrote:FC, why did you switch from Fur to Ghostlin? If you think Fur's power is important for the town, why the change of heart?

I switched from Furclow to Ghostlin becasue the case presented by MoI had the best content in it of any case so far. Furclow's ability seems pretty 3rd party, but that doesn't strictly mean a bad thing for the town. That's about all.

↑ FourseenCircumstance wrote:
I switched from Furclow to Ghostlin becasue the case presented by MoI had the

best content

in it of any case so far.

Elaborate, if you will, on the "best content" that moved you to switch your vote to Ghostlin. In your own words, please briefly summarize on the parts of that content that make you think Ghostlin is scum.

The point in Ghostlin claiming that he didn't have a power, which would mean that he is claiming that he is VT without straight out coming and saying he was VT seemed like he was trying to make it look like it wasn't going to be one of those "oh he is VT so that is a safe lynch vote" why would You disguise it with the fancy wording of you didn't come into the game with a power instead of saying you are a VT? It could be possible that he has other conditions that grants him powers as he progressees like a survivor like trait this is where I am drawing my suspicion.

New and improved Ludi scum reads:
projectmatt
warriormode

Anti-town behavior in full effect:
whispersilk
peregrineV

Of note, I'm not sure what to think of wazzatron, but I got a bad vibe from him at the end of the day here.

Until them

SlySly wrote:

↑ FourseenCircumstance wrote:
I switched from Furclow to Ghostlin becasue the case presented by MoI had the

best content

in it of any case so far.

Elaborate, if you will, on the "best content" that moved you to switch your vote to Ghostlin. In your own words, please briefly summarize on the parts of that content that make you think Ghostlin is scum.

FourseenCircumstance wrote:The point in Ghostlin claiming that he didn't have a power, which would mean that he is claiming that he is VT without straight out coming and saying he was VT seemed like he was trying to make it look like it wasn't going to be one of those "oh he is VT so that is a safe lynch vote" why would You disguise it with the fancy wording of you didn't come into the game with a power instead of saying you are a VT? It could be possible that he has other conditions that grants him powers as he progressees like a survivor like trait this is where I am drawing my suspicion.

Thanks for clearing that up.

The Fourseen Case Main Points (for me)

1. Inconsistency in crypto vote is really strange to me. He calls the case on crypto weak but states that the flip will still be fruitful for town? Feigned interest to hop onto what he thought to be an easy wagon much? That's how that reads to me. Compound it with his made up both for hopping off and his completely different reasons for the vote upon being question all sits on the scummy side for me.

2. IIoA Stringer Bell vote also seems forced.

Overall, just not reading the slot as town. There are other things, but they're pretty minute and I'd like to see what Fourseen says about this before I continue.

↑ FourseenCircumstance wrote:The point in Ghostlin claiming that he didn't have a power, which would mean that he is claiming that he is VT without straight out coming and saying he was VT seemed like he was trying to make it look like it wasn't going to be one of those "oh he is VT so that is a safe lynch vote" why would You disguise it with the fancy wording of you didn't come into the game with a power instead of saying you are a VT? It could be possible that he has other conditions that grants him powers as he progressees like a survivor like trait this is where I am drawing my suspicion.

There's a glitch in your thinking here. I think I'll just come out and say it. Why would you lynch me as a Survivor over someone that would hurt your wincon, such as a SK or a Mafia member?

I LOL'd at your glitch joke, intentional or not.

Clearly Fourseen is stretching to find reasoning for yet another lame-duck vote of his.

MOAR FOURSEEN VOTES PL0X~

↑ Ghostlin wrote:

↑ FourseenCircumstance wrote:The point in Ghostlin claiming that he didn't have a power, which would mean that he is claiming that he is VT without straight out coming and saying he was VT seemed like he was trying to make it look like it wasn't going to be one of those "oh he is VT so that is a safe lynch vote" why would You disguise it with the fancy wording of you didn't come into the game with a power instead of saying you are a VT? It could be possible that he has other conditions that grants him powers as he progressees like a survivor like trait this is where I am drawing my suspicion.

There's a glitch in your thinking here. I think I'll just come out and say it. Why would you lynch me as a Survivor over someone that would hurt your wincon, such as a SK or a Mafia member?

So you are saying you aren't VT? MOAR VOTES on Ghostlin....

Furclow has a useful cylce role that can be useful to town tonight, so we let him cycle it then kill him tmmrw.

I've posted my ok to lynch list, nothing changed.
@DGB: I don't imagine third party outing a power so early, why do you?
@MoI: why do you find DGB scummy? You have cited no reason that I can dig up.

I am actually very protown this game

Wazza’s attack on Kdub at 943 is horrible because, as Kdub has pointed out, the wagon on Stringer disappeared due to the Hider claim. No reason for Kdub to shoot Stringer. It’s a lazy argument that reflects lack of actual reading of the thread.

Oh look .. just 24 hours to deadline and Warrior and Bunny pop back up.

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Spring wrote:@MoI: why do you find DGB scummy? You have cited no reason that I can dig up.

DGB is easy to read as scum. See Atomic Mafia for my latest example. Scum DGB hides behind the “Lulz, I never gives reasons it’s how I play” stance she espoused earlier. Read her ISO.

1. Doesn’t do ANYTHING to push or support her NoPoint stance. Nada. Then after NoPoint is shot shows up BEFORE Mod flip and says “Yep, he’s Town”. I thought NoPoint was Town via read but couldn’t be sure.
2. Bad pushes all around – NoPoint was Town and this “My DGB sense tells me Furc is third party” is just horrible.
3. General lurky, non-content providing play.

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Ghostlin wrote:Anyone who has any reluctance about my lynch has been derided as possible scum, scummy motives, etc, by you and your fellow wagoneers. Particularly your post in response to DGB insisting I was town to her. Instead of asking for reasoning, you go for 'oh, btw, if that's not a lynch Ghostlin, I'd be willing to switch off to DGB.'

Show me one example where I have called anyone other than DGB scum for opposing your wagon.

Are you seriously suggesting I should be asking DGB for reasoning when each of the prior attempts I have made on that angle have been ignored (asking for reasons on Scum NoPoint read, asking for support on Furc as Third party)?

Looks like you are trying to fashion a soft attack on me for being unreasonable for not asking for reasoning when asking DGB for reasoning is something she has explicitly said in thread she doesn’t have to provide (her so called ‘lower standard of proof’ statement).

Ghostlin wrote:And if I flip Town? I know, it's a stretch to you, how hard you're tunnelling, but I'd like you to answer the question. Does it indicate DGB's alignment any if I flip Town?

If you were to do so I’d analyze that known fact and how it impacts my DGB and other reads. I have you as a scum read so I’m not going to speculate until I see evidence to the contrary. The "I'm Town" stance doesn't really ever disuade me since I see caught scum claim "Hey, I'm Town" right to the end when they flip scum all the time.

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DGB wrote:Ghostlin dropped a 5-ton town tell.

Choose another wagon, please.

Don’t care since you aren't bothering to explain.

DGB wrote:Then you should want to vote Furcolow, who stupidly claimed third party without any pressure whatsoever.

Liar. And a bad Liar at that.

DGB wrote:I sense that Furcolow has a sticky, non-cyclable ability. It's not a normal claim. It's off.

And this is why you are scum. Because Town DGB wouldn’t push such a crap reason to lynch. I’ll explain.

If your premise is correct then no-one will be able to coorobrate Furc’s claimed Pass N1.
If your premise is wrong then the Motivate power will be able to coorobrate his claimed cycling power.

Thus your rush to confirm your ‘sense’ is bullshit since tomorrow it will be confirmed or not confirmed.

You are scum. This is Atomic all over again. Better NK me tonight DGB because I’ll be riding you ALL DAY tomorrow until you hang.

↑ The Eruci wrote:

Not Voting (9) -

RedCoyote, springlullaby, warriormode, whispersilk, Sinestro, PeregrineV, Stringer Bell, Bunnylover, Magister Ludi

^These people (minus Ludi) need to do something.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:DGB is easy to read as scum. See Atomic Mafia for my latest example. Scum DGB hides behind the “Lulz, I never gives reasons it’s how I play” stance she espoused earlier. Read her ISO.

1. Doesn’t do ANYTHING to push or support her NoPoint stance. Nada. Then after NoPoint is shot shows up BEFORE Mod flip and says “Yep, he’s Town”. I thought NoPoint was Town via read but couldn’t be sure.
2. Bad pushes all around – NoPoint was Town and this “My DGB sense tells me Furc is third party” is just horrible.
3. General lurky, non-content providing play.

I agree with this. The two games I've been in with DGB that I remember the most are Kingdom Hearts Mafia (where she led the town to victory) and Ocarina of Time (where we were scum together). The difference in her play between those two games were drastically different. Her play so far in this game is much more similar to her play in the latter.

↑ Furcolow wrote:I am actually very protown this game

Saying this pro-town. ~

- It's basically 24 hours to deadline. Your 'case' on Fourseen isn't anything that hasn't been hashed out already. If people believed he was scum based on your reasoning he'd be dead already.

Why are you FOS-ing Furc when your vote is useless currently and Furc is one of the two viable wagons?

I can't read DGB (and I think peoplewho pretend otherwise are at least fooling themselves) but I don't agree with the reason cited mainly because I don't think Crypto was scum. Scum don't ragequit, I have never seen it done.

↑ springlullaby wrote:I can't read DGB (and I think peoplewho pretend otherwise are at least fooling themselves) but I don't agree with the reason cited mainly because I don't think Crypto was scum. Scum don't ragequit, I have never seen it done.

Go look at Sensfan scum and DGB scum in Atomic Mafia.

Sensfan rage-quit early Day 1 after I called his 'mass claim' plan stupid and talked about his horrible past play.
DGB quit after coming under fire (from me) for scummy attacks and stances.

I can probably find other examples if possible but two scum from 1 game pretty much ends said discussion. So your 'I've never seen it' stance just means you've don't read much Mafia.