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I have to come in and see this shit from Camn? Just look at how selective she's been with her evidence. Fucking scum.

@Camn - All you've done is picked out the parts that aren't my case. You still haven't FUCKING ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS, instead you've responded with "I don't like the way those questions look, could you make them stand out a bit more". How many times are you going to dodge what I present to you?

You also thought that the hydra self reference thing was a "real scum tell" so I wouldn't trust you at all.

/rage
I'll destroy your shitty ass case when I get to a computer.

SottyRulez' use of circular reasoning to attempt to justify there suggestion that they don't think that there's both a neighborizer and Friendly neighbor as town in this game is surprising.

ActionDan, I could go either way on, but I want to see the name of his QT first.

↑ Shadoweh wrote:If you had almost the same role as someone who claimed, wouldn't you be going for 'swift blood' instead of considering it carefully? That's a really bad reason to make him sound suspicious.

but the roles are different.

I don't know about the TGAH wagon or the case on them, but roflcopter's posted onsite since they've been at L-1, and their failure to claim here is a problem for me.

↑ Zdenek wrote:...and their failure to claim here is a problem for me.

for me as well. I would like to see that claim. Sooner rather than later.


On a different note, how would you rate the post above you on a townieness scale... 1 being "NOT TOWNY" and 10 being "TOTALLY CONF-TOWN"?

I'll talk about that after Absta gets to a computer.

Prod received. Is a Jason wagon still a thing?

I'll read tomorrow when it isn't past midnight.

Day 1, Votecount 38

JasonT1981 (3) - BT, TheGreatestAmericanHero, Zdenek
ActionDan (2) - SafetyDance, JasonT1981
camn (1) - absta101

TheGreatestAmericanHero (9) - sottyrulez, Plessiezarus, ActionDan, DeasVail, The Mini-Librarian, ChanelDelibird, Shadoweh, Ser Arthur Dayne, Benmage

Plessiezarus (1) - Kise
absta101 (1) - camn

Not voting (2):

Cerulean, Nostredeus

• With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 6th of February at 5:30pm GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-02-06 13:30:28)
  
• CDB and SafetyDance are V/LA.

Reading back now. I've got some 15-20 pages to read though

3 hydras needing prods? That doesn't make sense at all.

Prod received. Tammy typically doesn't post late weekends and I've been dealing with a lot of serious IRL issues lately so I haven't had the chance to fully dig into the recent events. I remember thinking Zdenek's and Dan's claims were townish when I was trying to keep up here on my phone but will have to reread.

↑ DeasVail wrote:

I don't understand why SD is saying what he is in response to my in 543. I don't think I said anything about stubbornness or defending himself? Also why is he insisting there's no inconsistency? He makes a comment on someone who he doesn't even bother to work out the name of and then says later that he'll only say stuff that really sticks out. It couldn't have been that important if he didn't even bother to check the name of the person in question.
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Your problem is you can't dissociate the two things. Or you don't want to.

Just because I'm addressing something, doesn't mean I think its scummy. There were a lot of people on my case at that point, I'm not going to remember everything if I didn't create a tab to quote the post. I take it by your continued focus on this point it was you who made that stupid comment?

↑ Cerulean wrote:Safety - when you come back around, mind giving your top two scum reads.

*was going to try to do more, but I'm in a bad mood, I'll deal with this tomorrow*

At this stage, McStab and petapan.

And they've both replaced out. :/

↑ Shadoweh wrote:

↑ ChannelDelibird wrote:On the claims:

Zdenek's I don't see any particular reason to disbelieve in and of itself. It's confirmable so let him confirm it.
ActionDan's claim itself I don't have a problem with; what worried me a little was his apparent determination to use his claim to sink someone else's. Maybe it's because I'm coming to this a couple of days late and seeing it disconnected from the flow of emotions but the impression I got was more that he was looking for swift blood rather than considering it very carefully. It is worth giving him at least a night to see what happens with his power, though, and who becomes involved in it.

If you had almost the same role as someone who claimed, wouldn't you be going for 'swift blood' instead of considering it carefully? That's a really bad reason to make him sound suspicious.

He didn't almost have the same role as someone who claimed, though. When I've been town and thought I might need to counterclaim someone, I've always wanted to be sure I'm not screwing my faction over by outing myself unnecessarily. Any double-checking or reading over at all would have made it clear that they weren't claiming the same role.

↑ absta101 wrote:I have to come in and see this shit from Camn? Just look at how selective she's been with her evidence. Fucking scum.

To my town brethren, I must point out... In my case I direct-quoted of 17 out of Absta's total of 34 posts (50%). No paraphrasing. No misrepresentations. Direct quotes.. with my interpretation of what the motivations behind them were.
A quick review of Absta's so=called 'case' on me shows 7 direct quotes out of my total of 37 (19%).

... I point this out not to say that being 'selective' is scummy... and..... but to show you that I am actually being quite comprehensive, as far as presenting cases goes, unlike some players.
Usually things hinge on a post or two out of dozens. Mine encompasses half the man's posts, with little in the way of word-twisting or misrepresentation. Like Absta's misreps here, which I actually DO find scummy:

↑ Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I think you SD and Jason are competing for the most infuriating player.

Says the guy who spent half the day pretending he's a tv character and inventing new words.

Caught up, quick post now so I can move on to other games.

I dont think the two who have claimed (Zed + Dan) should be lynched, their claims should be easily verified day 2 right?

In general, I find myself agreeing most with the posts of camn, Benmage and BT. If that's worth anything.

I don't mind hammering the TGAH wagon (), I think overall play from interactions with sotty and shadoweh, are pretty bad and the #691 hissy fit was bad and when following up didn't address the increasing wagon or the problems people found with it. That said, only concern is the TGAH wagon has built easily because they are away and only after Zed and Dan claimed did it gain momentum. If town then suspicion falls on sotty for their incessant tunnelling.

Others wagon I could get on today are absta, Jason,

Will be back in around 24hrs before the deadline to wait for any claim

↑ jasonT1981 wrote:I don't see Absta going today... I could honestly go for either of them tomorrow though as good lynches

Jason- lets see that vote. ActionDan is not an option.
you, too, SafteyDance. If you are holding out for the hammer.. hold your vote on Absta.

Fine,


Not sure what the point is though. You'd have to get those off the TGAH for it to get anywhere near lynchable

I don't have the energy to read this camnvabstas....

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This day has hit the drag mark. rofl's posting on site... I guess waiting on other head for a proper fakeclaim.

↑ SafetyDance wrote:Not sure what the point is though. You'd have to get those off the TGAH for it to get anywhere near lynchable

I explained...Its a viable back-up plan against shenanigans.
And actually.. I just need ONE person from the TGAH wagon.

@Ples, about popular wagons, though I did comment on zden, I don't have anything out of the way to say when someone claims a PR and they're not in my sights. I spoke on who I was looking at; read me from my given reads. I don't give special notes to wagons just for the sake of it, same as I haven't commented on those other dozen players I haven't fos'd. I feel like hammering tgah because I trust zden when he says rofl's been online - and I'm piecing together he's hydra'd in tgah.....seriously, I don't know why I thought you voted Dan. I might have seen a votecount but glanced real quick and didnt pay attention to names. Dont know. Judge me later

Oh wow, got prodded. With how much has been posted since our last post, I didn't think it had actually been that long.

↑ Zdenek wrote:SottyRulez' use of circular reasoning to attempt to justify there suggestion that they don't think that there's both a neighborizer and Friendly neighbor as town in this game is surprising.

We have doubts, we've made those doubts clear. I don't think it's surprising to have doubts. It doesn't matter at this point anyway. It will matter later when there's more information and a clearer picture than there is now.

Anyway, ====[] Let's go TGAH lynch!

↑ Benmage wrote:I don't have the energy to read this camnvabstas....

You don't need to- its not urgent.
I think TGAH is probably inevitable.

Its more for later.. and, you know, just in case.
I have been doing better lately, but it is not unheard of for me to be quickly and mercilessly killed N1.

You guys really want the hammer? i think a final post would be nice from TGAH. Maybe a claim. Maybe a scumlist?

I did tell everyone that posting probably wouldn't happen until tomorrow.
We are Bodie, Vanilla.
Jason is still scum. After that you should look at sotty and Dan.
Don't waste lynches on absta or Kise, just shoot them.

Main concern is that there's not really much effort at all to look town there. Thoughts?

I previously was like, "yeah, they're scum" when they took so long to actually make a post. I would kind of expect some sort of objection to their lynch, some sort of snarky comment somewhere, something, so in a way the above post seems too "clean"? And it's not very much considering how long it took to make it.

I'm sorry I tend to get all wishy-washy and indecisive when someone's about to be lynched. I think overall they're still leaning scum, but what are other people's thoughts?

If you don't doubt you're not town so etc.
camn that case on absta would have been great like three days ago when people might have actually been able to shift to him.

↑ ChannelDelibird wrote:
He didn't almost have the same role as someone who claimed, though. When I've been town and thought I might need to counterclaim someone, I've always wanted to be sure I'm not screwing my faction over by outing myself unnecessarily. Any double-checking or reading over at all would have made it clear that they weren't claiming the same role.

It's not exactly the same, but neighbourizor and masonizor are really, really close to the same thing.

That feels really town; my real concern is that TGAH had the opportunity to respond to the case pless made in #633 and didn't, that's what I was personally looking for.