Incoming wall:
Oh boy here we go.
That's it? So when you said "Everything he said is wrong" you were just referring to his reads on you?
In post 867, Grimgroove wrote:
I think I'll just be sheeping her. I'm guessing she's pretty good at this game, so yeah, no harm done.
You need to relax. Just because you were wrong once doesn't mean you're some terrible player who can't trust his own reads. Come on. And just because you think mollie is town doesn't mean she is right. I mean you were wrong. Aren't you town?
In post 873, Grimgroove wrote:The more I think about it, the more post
600 makes you town actually. I don't think scum would consciously try to use this as an argument thinking it would work, so I see it as town blurting out hypotheses without a filter. Posting without such a filter is actually very townish.
In post 874, Wisdom wrote:That's better.
So, what you said about AP; do you think that "being wrong" was scummy? And what exactly was he wrong about?
The "That's better" from Wisdom in this exchange bothers me.
In post 880, Wisdom wrote:Right now I think: enomis/AP/Amrun/{Safety or Elyse} with Safety more likely than Elyse.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: AP
Keep this in mind. Wisdom scumteam #1 is enomis/AP/Amrun/{Safety or Elyse} with Safety more likely than Elyse.
In post 881, Grimgroove wrote:
In post 804, Elyse wrote:I've played with AP once and he was much more active and persuasive in the other game. He was always scumhunting and pushed good, legit cases and he was confident. He was town. Here, I'm seeing the opposite, on top of what Amrun said.
But why are you against voting AP? Do you have a townread on him or something? Amrun posted a good list of reasons to vote AP, yet you ask if it is just how he plays and continue voting NS who hasn't done anything. Why?
I don't find the reasoning very convinving in this case. Ok, I agree with the fact that his case on me was pretty bad, but to me he did come off as active and trying to be persuasive, showing confidence. It is not the opposite of what Elyse descirbes as his townplay.
Um no? He's been lurking through the game, no one bought his case, and he wasn't confident in it. What are you talking about?
In post 881, Grimgroove wrote:
In post 863, Elyse wrote:@Grim
You said "AP has been wrong all game." Can you show where he's wrong?
I wonder why she asked me this question, considering she earlier said herself his cases are not good and not legit.
I asked this question because it looked like it could be a scumslip. If you said, "he was wrong with his reads on x, y, and z" or something like that, I would vote you in a heartbeat.
Also,
In post 875, Grimgroove wrote:
My strongest scumreads right now are Amrun, Elyse and AngryPidgeon. Those three are followed by SafetyDance and enomis.
So Grim's scumreads are Amrun, Elyse, AP, {Safety, enomis}
and
In post 875, Grimgroove wrote:
Nobody Special I think is town, his last post seemed genuine enough to me. Instead of pointing to a random other person in the other lynchpool and try tog et this person lynched instead of himself,h e admits to not having any clear reads. I can relate.
NS is town.
Now AP comes in and says this:
And suddenly,
In post 886, Grimgroove wrote:VOTE: Nobody Special
Even if only to spur him towards more content. He can't stay in hiding forever.
Don't have an especially strong townread on any of the four anymore. AngryPidgeon is my preference, but not enough to put him at L-1 already. Elyse and amrun on his wagon aren't exactly reassuring either.
Bam. Slaps a vote on NS. Wtf? He goes with his scumread to possibly lead a wagon on someone he had a townread on.
In post 895, Grimgroove wrote:If he doesn't provide content he's the scummiest of the bunch and should be lynched for it.
As soon as he does provide content, I'll evaluate him based on that.
I don't see how it kills "the purpose". The purpose is to make him deliver content. Tell me how my vote or my reasons for it are standing in the way of achieving this?
But you just had a townread on him, and listed five players that are possible scum. Now he trumps them all?
AP's self-vote followed by rage posting just shows how he's bluffing and is desperate to stay alive. And the sad part is that Wisdom bites! AP basically reverses his scumread on him by raging. Impressive.
In post 904, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 804, Elyse wrote:I've played with AP once and he was much more active and persuasive in the other game.
Up until I lurked my ass off for significant portions of it.
Also that game had a lot less posts and I'm in about 2 more games than I was in that one. But no keep on with this SHITMETA. Elyse is probably scum with Amrun.
Oh, sorry. I guess I should ignore meta because it doesn't make you look good.
In post 904, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 807, Elyse wrote:By everyone, you mean me, Majiffy, and Amrun, all of whom had scumreads on AP before.
Yes, assert that you had the read previously. Continue focusing on your appearance without actually doing anything.
How is that focusing on my appearance? Wisdom said that he didn't like everyone voting you right away. I told him it was three people who already scumread you, and he was over exaggerating. But nice misrep.
Ok what the fuck is this? You unvote your strongest? (maybe not, but definitely in this pool) scumread and ask him about another scumteam? Are you negotiating with him or something? I don't get this at all.
In post 913, AngryPidgeon wrote:^ But then WHO TO LYNCH TODAY.
But the fact you are focused on the big picture is just more proof you are town.
I'd buy that list, but I really think GG belongs in it instead of Safety.
But Safety isn't mindlessly raging like Im used to him doing as town, so
And then AP buddies Wisdom by saying he looks town for focusing on the big picture. That's just dumb. Everyone has at least four possible scum that include people out of the lynchpool. But the buddying worked, so bravo.
In post 914, Wisdom wrote:I'd lynch Venmar if he's going to continue being useless all game. Or NS because equally he will most likely be lurking all game. But both of those are more policy lynches than anything.
So not AP? Now he's town after spamming the thread, self-voting, and raging at people who dare call him scum?
In post 863, Elyse wrote:@Grim
You said "AP has been wrong all game." Can you show where he's wrong?
The more I read, the more I want to lynch Elyse for making wishywashy posts and interpreting what limited meta she has of me to fit her read of me. Also this ^ is just scum fitting in. GG was clearly just AtEing about my read on him and this question is way too missing-the-forest-for-the-trees to likely come from town.
If I interpreted your meta to make you look town, you would have no problem with it. And I explained why I asked Grim that question, and no it wasn't obvious he was AtEing about your read on him.
And it is complete, AP gets Wisdom to vote someone he doesn't think is scum.
In post 924, Wisdom wrote: In post 922, Venmar wrote:Wisdom's retardedly opportunistic, waffly, and flip-floppy stance on me is so painfully scummy
Please show us where I have been opportunistic or waffly. As for my stance on you, I have made it completely clear.
Hm. Maybe it's because you had him as a townread and are now voting him?
Venmar's 928 is pretty obvtown and genuine.
In post 929, Wisdom wrote: In post 928, Venmar wrote:If Wisdom truly thinks I am the typical player who tunnels him the first game that they play with him, he should have little reason to be voting for me for similar reasons. Right now, Wisdom is only voting for me because he thinks I am being retarded and useless. Sorry Wisdom, that is such a classic discredit case that I think I will call you out on it.
Right now I am voting you because the pool you created is bad. My four scumreads are outside it. I have to compromise for you or NS, and I'm feeling that you'll be less useful than NS. I don't think you are scum, because scum wouldn't be that stupid to expect to get me lynched like that, but you need to die because you don't show any interest in actual scumhunting.
Do you want to prove that wrong? Tell me what you think of enomis, Amrun, Elyse, Safety. Use some of that effort you used to make that Wisdom-lynch campaign and actually scumhunt.
Oh really? Your four scumreads are outside? What happened to?
In post 880, Wisdom wrote:Right now I think: enomis/AP/Amrun/{Safety or Elyse} with Safety more likely than Elyse.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: AP
Oh right. AP raged, spammed, self-voted, and buddied the fuck out of you. And for you to say that NS is going to be more useful than Venmar is just retarded. Venmar is bleeding town and you're just too stubborn to admit it because he thinks you're scum.
In post 940, Wisdom wrote: In post 928, Venmar wrote:Wisdom just argues for the sake of arguing, he is super hyper defensive about himself and goes to a length to spam post in his defence. This is scummy since he clogs up the thread on purpose. He argues just for the sake of arguing which is scummy and anti-town, since town should have no town motivation to clog up the thread.
Here's a typical example of why Venmar can't be scum. Scum can't push this bullshit for a serious accusation. Anyone's simple 1 minute search will tell them that Wisdom is hyperactive regardless of alignment and could care less if the thread gets "clogged up" or not.
How the hell is your townread on AP so strong that you'd rather lynch someone who "can't be scum"?
In post 959, Wisdom wrote:That means nothing. Scum can reflect townish thoughts too. They want to look town, after all. I want you to explain to me what is townish about her posts.
Alright, so before I was a PoE scumread (fifth in the list actually) and now you're trying to discredit someone's townread on me? It's definitely not because AP is trying to get people to scumread me, right?
Alright so basically Wisdom is either easily misled town or scum trying to save his buddy AP. I'm thinking the former.
And Grim is scummy af.
So it's probably AP/enomis/Grim/Safety. That's my bet.
Other possibilities are AP/enomis/NS/Wisdom, AP/enomis/Safety/Wisdom or AP/NS/Safety/Wisdom.
