The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[Fate]

Triforce is almost definitely not mafia, so they should not be lynched. They're definitely not town, too, but they probably have a pro-town effects from being around.

Bad lynch. You should utility lynch me before that I think.

why the fuck are you just accepting their claim as is

this post is literally disgusting.

"Hey if triforce is telling the truth they are the role they say they are"

FUCKING THANKS IECERINT


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[Fate]

is it weird my immediate response to the claim is to... let it live? Survivor could benefit town in the long run, and it certainly seems the ability helps town.

Although I guess it's a safer bet to lynch a non-town claim than try and find scum and be more likely to hit town. Huh.

Why specifically the doc part of the claim?

For me, I think Triforce wouldn't dare fakeclaim anything after Balto.

OH NO WAY IS THIS WISHY WASHY STANCE ON BUDDY POSTING?


COULD IT FUCKING BE?

I WAS RIGHT?


NAH

LETS NOT LISTEN

LETS FUCK AROUND
SOME MORE


WITH OTHER SHIT

[Fate]

YES ACTION DAN IS SCUM ITS FUCKING CLEAR NOW

CAN WE LYNCH

ONE

AT


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TIME

[Iecerint]

Fate, Mafia 100% each have town fakeclaims with appropriate flavor as per the rules I already quoted from page 1, so a spontaneous survivor fakeclaim from mafia is unlikely. SurvivorTriforce is not mafia.

If you want to lynch the Survivor, you need to admit that it's because you want to lynch 3rd party, not because you think there's a chance you're lynching mafia.

In my experience, scum love non-scum utility lynches even more than town do (kinda like how they love other-scum lynches in multiscum games more than town do).

[Untrod Tripod]

Iec: How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love Arguing Against Good Lynches

[Untrod Tripod]

Dr Iec*

FUCK I need to edit myself more

[Nuwen]

I 100% do?

flavored doctor sounds plausible on its own, why even bother with the survivor part? it's needlessly complex (aka likely the truth).

This is actually a good point.

I think

UT is stoking the flames and adding a new layer of Stuff To Fear.

unvote

for now

Hey, Nuwen, can you just come out and say, "I am scumreading UT," rather than throw around this kind of soft shit?

Why is your tone hostile in this post?

I'd maybe call that aggressive (I'm a lot less "sweetness and light" than you'd expect in forum Mafia), but not hostile. Now answer the question and commit to an actual stance on UT. I don't 't think you've had many opinions that aren't tangential sideswipes or null dis

I often observe scum take on a hyper-interrogative voice while trying play proactively during the day, especially if the scum aren't confident in their ability to play it cool. There's really no good reason to get that aggro about my comments re: UT. His posts about cults were trying to spook the cattle, and my post pointed that out.

I don't buy this explanation for Waffles' aggro voice, and the tone continues in "now answer the question and commit."

IMO scumlynch > 3rd party lynch day 1, because I'm pretty sure Triforce isn't lying about being 3rd party. The scum are wanting to lynch the 3rd party too, so naturally that's easier and more popular right now. Yeah, it's generally good policy to purge 3rd party but Triforce lynch doesn't give us much to go on UNLESS we're in the specific scenario where Triforce is scum fakeclaiming.

[InflatablePie]

I'm of the opinion that we should lynch Triforce because this is a 40-page D1. them being third-party (or scum, although I don't see why they would claim something that'll be lynched eventually as scum...) is a bonus

have other thoughts but I need t leave for work, working my 2nd of three double-shifts. I'll be more useful come Tues/Wed

[Gammagooey]

Nuwen can you vote someone please? Going on about theory and third party strategy is fine but I'm not actually going to care about it unless you actually try to apply it to a person in this game.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm of the opinion that we should lynch Triforce because this is a 40-page D1. them being third-party (or scum, although I don't see why they would claim something that'll be lynched eventually as scum...) is a bonus

This is exceedingly silly. A lynched survivor gets us sod-all information. It's even worse than lynching town in that respect, if we're just going to take all the intrigue out of it and policy-lynch a claimed third party.

I'm all for ending the day several pages ago but we can swing a lynch on plenty of people with haste, should we want to.

FOR EXAMPLE, ACTIONDAN

[Untrod Tripod]

yes, lynching a survivor IS WORSE THAN LYNCHING TOWN

uh huh

[Fate]

Unvote
Vote: ActionDan

Goddamn cowards

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

I have to say, this is the first time I've ever heard someone call asking questions too AGGRESSIVELY a scumtell.

The reason your comments provoked that tone is that your comments were

scummy

. Yes, you think UT is trying to "spook the cattle." What are his motives for doing this? Why did you feel the need to

post

that he's doing this? What should the town do about him doing this? Has your opinion of UT changed at all because he's doing this?

Without any context or anything resembling an actual

read

on UT (or on anyone), that post sounds suspiciously like either filler to look busy or backhanded undermining of him. Instead of turning the question around on me, why don't you answer me and prove this interpretation of that post wrong?

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

^@Nuwen, obviously.

Fate, why is she town?

[ChannelDelibird]

yes, lynching a survivor IS WORSE THAN LYNCHING TOWN

in that respect

[Untrod Tripod]

yeah I was clipping out the bullshit thanks

[Ythan]

Unvote
Vote: ActionDan

Goddamn cowards

GODDAMN COWARD

[Gammagooey]

This is exceedingly silly. A lynched survivor gets us sod-all information. It's even worse than lynching town in that respect, if we're just going to take all the intrigue out of it and policy-lynch a claimed third party.

okay i can tolerate an actiondan lynch but i want to say two things

a) unless there's actual role information that's 100% confirmed that a lynch would change, fuck information lynches. The 'information lynches' I remember seeing on this site are actually just optimistic hoping that the player is scum and then that their buddies will be easy to find because now everybody sees for sure that their scum. And maybe that works in normal games or games with newer players but with experienced players I just don't think information lynches actually lead to more likely scum lynches later.

b)ActionDan isn't even an information lynch. He hasn't done jackshit this game so the only information you'd get is just guessing on whether the various people who voted him at various times were bussing or not, and if he is scum godamn is it easy to have a convincing bus right now.

I'd really rather just lynch the 100% not town now and then lynch Action tomorrow after getting a claim and ignoring it until he's dead, and then if he claimed a result and was town then we actually have a piece of real information. If you can get Action to the point where I can hammer him/make Iec role-hammer him then I won't care anymore though.

[Iecerint]

Nuwen can you vote someone please? Going on about theory and third party strategy is fine but I'm not actually going to care about it unless you actually try to apply it to a person in this game.

Yeah, Nuwen's summary of what several people have already articulated was pretty scummy.

One clarification: I'm already voting for ActionDan, so I can't role-hammer him unless I unvote and someone else gets him to L-1.

[Iecerint]

Unvote
Vote: ActionDan

Goddamn cowards

Lynching the survivor is...brave?

[Gammagooey]

coward admittedly probably isn't the right word there

gullible seems better if people actually think the doc protection part of the claim isn't a pile of garbage

[ChannelDelibird]

Re: Gamma, on "information". I don't want "an information lynch". I want a scumlynch. It's just that, whoever we end up lynching for being the scummiest viable lynch, we can use their flip to look for buddies (if they flip scum) or look for people who knew they'd flip not-scum (if they flip not-scum). Lynching a claimed survivor takes away that benefit because everyone just going "OK, yeah, let's just lynch the claimed survivor" is a less interesting thought process to examine.

[Gammagooey]

im gonna disagree with the risk of continuing to leave a claimed not-town thing in the game for at least an extra day and potentially longer (and we'd probably have to use a lynch later in the game when those lynches give more information and are a lot more important) being worth some extra information on day 2 but i don't think i'm going to convince you on this so im just going to not go on about it anymore for a while.

[Iecerint]

Let's lynch ActionDan today and UT tomorrow please. Nuwen D3.

LINE EM UP.

[ActionDan]

##Vote Triforce

Claimed survivor dies.

It endgames with scum, why would anybody want to save it?

There is literally nothing that harms town from lynching claimed survivors. people are claiming otherwise are either dumb or scum (i.e. cdb that would love to power through my lynch)