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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:37 am
by White Narcissus
I disagree, because if someone experienced was guiding him through daytalk, he would have made him vote the whole playerlist before selfhammering.
But share why you think it was Loki who guided him anyway?
~Wis
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:40 am
by Mikazuki
↑ ZeL1nK2 wrote:I said I wasn't a fan of the wagon (I wasn't; I have a tendency to give too much leeway to newer players that I think are struggling in a fish-out-of-water scenario and I thought the wagon on him was unfounded beyond things I've seen come from newer players as either alignment). And I said I had minor feelings that weren't at all strong that he was town.
I do still think the reasons for thinking he was scum were rather weak at best (even if it turned out to be correct). All the arguments about him being in another PT, him not knowing about the PT system, et al were stretching (I thought). The only point I actually thought had any merit was the fact that he happened to be checking private topics at the time Nikanor made that PT public, which was almost too much of a coincidence.
I agree with the newbie player thing, that was why I was so reluctant to say I was scum reading him despite being quite convinced that the PT thing was exactly what it looked like.
As for the reasoning being bad, the PT thing was enough to make me think that he was likely to flip scum. I mentioned before that he actually said that he was '
sent
' there (which everyone ignored) which didn't make sense as a bad word choice, it was an outright slip.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:41 am
by Mikazuki
Considering his first few posts, I believe that his nonsense at the end of the day was his own doing.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:41 am
by Mikazuki
↑ White Narcissus wrote:I disagree, because if someone experienced was guiding him through daytalk, he would have made him vote the whole playerlist before selfhammering.
That's actually quite a good point, not like he had anything left to lose.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:43 am
by Mikazuki
↑ White Narcissus wrote:What's terrible about her Zymf push is the fixation on the "leader" thing. I felt she wanted to push it as a scumslip type of thing without outright stating so. It striked me as a "I found a pushable thing" moment.
Nacho has mostly felt like town-Nacho and I liked his Gaiden and Shadowcat pushes.
~Wis
That seems like a reasonable conclusion, but yeah, I'd really like to see some more posts from them.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:46 am
by ZeL1nK2
↑ White Narcissus wrote:I disagree, because if someone experienced was guiding him through daytalk, he would have made him vote the whole playerlist before selfhammering.
But share why you think it was Loki who guided him anyway?
~Wis
That is what I would have done, yes, but I do not think every player necessarily thinks like that. Some players are less mindful of the setup and mechanics than others (even as scum).
And I can't really tell you why I think that at this point in time, though maybe Loki himself will tell you why I think that (or at least acknowledge he knows why I would think that).
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:48 am
by White Narcissus
If only this cryptic bullshit would end and you would be open with your thoughts, we would all be much happier.
~Wis
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:50 am
by Mikazuki
↑ ZeL1nK2 wrote:or I'm town who is currently playing an opaque game with an end-goal in mind.
'Opaque' might be a bit of an exaggeration.
Either way, I'm happy to at least wait for Loki to respond since I doubt we're going to be able to get anything out of you before that happens.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:50 am
by ZeL1nK2
↑ White Narcissus wrote:If only this cryptic bullshit would end and you would be open with your thoughts, we would all be much happier.
I imagine we would. It is cryptic, but it's not done with ill intentions.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:58 am
by ZeL1nK2
This is your cryptic clue, though...
Dairy products.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:16 am
by Skold
Sorry for my poor piss last day play. I had exams coming up and probably should of put myself on V/LA. That being said we should claim darkness. Assuming scum can easily calculate how much darkness everyone has by checking votes, D1 gametime, and how much they increased it by, we won't be giving them any information they don't already have. I'll wait for input before claiming.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:17 am
by Skold
#easterholidays so I'll read the thread a couple times and bring myself back up to speed.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:19 am
by Mikazuki
I don't see any harm in claiming darkness but I don't really see why it would be helpful either?
Skold, what do you think about flavour claiming? WN brought it up before.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:56 am
by Shadowcat
Skimmed this morning the most recent posts at 5am, but wasn't awake enough to process all.
Shadowattack: Zel
Interactions D1 felt weird, awkward and forced. Like scum trying to hide a secret. Also asking notscience what his darkness level felt off too.
Will elaborate more after work.
Also willing to switch to Thor / Loki as I'm not feeling town from either of the heads. They feel like their playing to their scum meta.
I got a big gut feel that Skold could, infact, be scum this game.
~M
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:04 am
by White Narcissus
↑ Shadowcat wrote:Interactions D1 felt weird, awkward and forced. Like scum trying to hide a secret. Also asking notscience what his darkness level felt off too.
This is too shallow. Zelink does not hide the fact he's being cryptic for his own reasons, so scumreading him for that feels fake.
What's wrong about asking for darkness levels?
~Wis
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:08 am
by White Narcissus
Waiting for elaboration on this. I want specific posts and why they indicate scum Nacho over town Nacho.
~Wis
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:10 am
by ZeL1nK2
To be clear, in regards to whatever point you're trying to make about the darkness question, there's only two still-alive people that it's even worthwhile asking about (notscience and T&L), since nobody else (apart from Taly) was voted yesterday, ergo nobody else should have had different amounts of darkness (unless something interfered).
notscience just happened to be around at the time so I asked him specifically.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:16 am
by SXTLHGaiden
ello, are we flavor claiming?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:31 am
by Skold
I don't see much benefit in flavour claiming. Darkness claiming could be useful so as to determine who is going to die next. However, upon revisitation someone could claim to have 60% darkness and we'd take them as town. It's far too easy a claim for scum to be useful.
pedit: Just saying this is a pedit. Nothing else. Baiii.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:33 am
by Thor and Loki
Notscience: We are Naomi.
Zelink: Today is my day off. When do you want me to be around?
Sakura: Zelink's strange obsession with me is probably related to the fact that we are IRL brothers.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:34 am
by Thor and Loki
More @ notscience: do you have information for us?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:36 am
by Ankamius
Placeholder.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:37 am
by Thor and Loki
Because if this is some dumb "Naomi killed Seiko in flavor thus probably killed her last night" shit I'm gonna fly down to north carolina and kick your ass.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:10 am
by Ankamius
↑ Mikazuki wrote: ↑ ZeL1nK2 wrote:I said I wasn't a fan of the wagon (I wasn't; I have a tendency to give too much leeway to newer players that I think are struggling in a fish-out-of-water scenario and I thought the wagon on him was unfounded beyond things I've seen come from newer players as either alignment). And I said I had minor feelings that weren't at all strong that he was town.
I do still think the reasons for thinking he was scum were rather weak at best (even if it turned out to be correct). All the arguments about him being in another PT, him not knowing about the PT system, et al were stretching (I thought). The only point I actually thought had any merit was the fact that he happened to be checking private topics at the time Nikanor made that PT public, which was almost too much of a coincidence.
I agree with the newbie player thing, that was why I was so reluctant to say I was scum reading him despite being quite convinced that the PT thing was exactly what it looked like.
As for the reasoning being bad, the PT thing was enough to make me think that he was likely to flip scum.
I mentioned before that he actually said that he was '
sent
' there (which everyone ignored) which didn't make sense as a bad word choice,
it was an outright slip.
Wait a minute...
↑ Mikazuki wrote:@Anka I already explained why I would choose him to policy lynch. When a policy lynch seems appropriate and my read could still go either way pending answers/most posts, I will consider PL as my main reason for voting.
...oh
That was your last post giving any kind of read on lufan whatsoever, and it doesn't match what you just said. Can you go into your thought process here please?
I still would like to know what the justification for policy lynching lufan was, too. You never answered that yesterday.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:15 am
by Ankamius
I'm not convinced on mass claiming flavor. I don't see what kind of information it will give to the overall picture.