Mini 1663: Rick and Morty Mafia (Game Over)

[killerjester]

Wait guys listen to this.

The sheer numbers willing to lynch Aris lead me to believe he's actually town.

Shocker right?

[Titus]

Wait guys listen to this.

The sheer numbers willing to lynch Aris lead me to believe he's actually town.

Shocker right?

Now, how many people have actually voted him but for me...

Yeah, that's not town resistance. This is FoS buddy vote town.

[Aristophanes]

I have theories where the two of us aren't scumbuddies, but you still are actually.

And I cane to a conclusion that KJ is town, so why would I push/vote them?

Ewww...

VOTE: Ari

You need a theory where you're not a scumbuddy?

I think my phrasing was horrible there. Tired from work.

What I'm saying was in response to RBD saying all theories where they are scum, so am I.
I was saying that I had theories where they were scum, but I was not (since I know I am not, but think they are).

I thought you were saving yourself for the hammer. Why come out and vote me now?
What makes me the better lynch of the three options you gave?

[Aristophanes]

Lynch me if you like. I guarantee there will have to be at least two scum on my wagon since it seems 3/6 possible votes are scum and 5 are needed to lynch.

Think about PoE if I am town though, have it brewing, because I want town to win this and will only lie down and take it if it actually helps us.

We've gotta be able to at least take out one scum and ruin this streak of theirs.

So, @Everyone

If I were to flip scum, what would it tell you?
If I were to flip town, what would that tell you?

[Titus]

Lynch me if you like. I guarantee there will have to be at least two scum on my wagon since it seems 3/6 possible votes are scum and 5 are needed to lynch.

Think about PoE if I am town though, have it brewing, because I want town to win this and will only lie down and take it if it actually helps us.

We've gotta be able to at least take out one scum and ruin this streak of theirs.

So, @Everyone

If I were to flip scum, what would it tell you?
If I were to flip town, what would that tell you?

At best, you are paying zero attention.

The game's at mylo.

Also, why are you asking about how we'd feel if you flipped scum? That should be a zero possibility from your perspective.

[Elbirn]

Wait guys listen to this.

The sheer numbers willing to lynch Aris lead me to believe he's actually town.

Shocker right?

Scum don't bus guys
kj said so

[Aristophanes]

It is a zero possibility.

I've never actually gotten the difference between Mylo and Lylo. Mind filling me in?

I somehow still thought lylo was tomorrow. I guess if we mislynch today we're done for.

In which case, Lynch me if you want to lose the game. I have fought just about as hard as I can against the dumbest of arguments this last bit. RBD has made me look bad by misrepping me something fierce. How does everyone not see this??

[killerjester]

MyLo is mislynch and lose
LyLo is lynch or lose

Obviously a mislynch in either scenario will end the game, but the distinct difference being MyLo can afford to no-lynch to slightly narrow down the mislynch possibility and LyLo cannot.

@Titus: My impression was people were not voting because of LOLQUICKHAMMERS until a general consensus is agreed upon.
@Elbirn: Please. You're assuming Kthx is town, so why would scum bus when town can't secure majority? You're contradicting yourself.

[Aristophanes]

Ah, that makes sense.

Okay then, if we all had to vote for someone right now, who would it be?
At least we will know where the votes may go that way.

[Kthxbye]

more when not on phone but today is either a NL or RBD. there are a ton of scenarios where kj, lufan, jingle and ari are scum with rbd, but I don't see rbd town in any of them.

[Elbirn]

MyLo is mislynch and lose
LyLo is lynch or lose

Obviously a mislynch in either scenario will end the game, but the distinct difference being MyLo can afford to no-lynch to slightly narrow down the mislynch possibility and LyLo cannot.

@Titus: My impression was people were not voting because of LOLQUICKHAMMERS until a general consensus is agreed upon.
@Elbirn: Please. You're assuming Kthx is town, so why would scum bus when town can't secure majority? You're contradicting yourself.

8 alive, 5 town 3 scum
5 to lynch
kthx has no vote
if kthx is town, then the game is already over.

...

The game is not already over, therefore kthx is scum or lying.

Shit what the fuck

[Elbirn]

That or...the vote stealer is town?

[Aristophanes]

Or the stolen vote is nonpermanent. (a scumlynch or nolynch keeps us in the game then)
Or KJ has potential to get something townsaving tn if they predicted the right lynch.

[killerjester]

I predicted a Kthx lynch. If we opt to lynch today I want to see him dead, he's played scummy enough on his own but even if I'm wrong I might get something to keep us in the game.

I think if the game was solvable for scum the mod would've called the game or we would at least see some semblance of that plan at this point (ie: if scum have a votestealer that works in LyLo they would've pushed through the NL first thing today and that would be the end of that). Since they have not done so thus far, we should not assume that we've lost already.

That being said, keep running with the Kthx-scum theory. You're doing great buddy.

[killerjester]

Also for the record a scum votestealer that works in LyLo would be the most broken, over-powered, bastard-modding bullshit that I've seen to date.

It's not commonly employed and probably not something we should expect.

There's my OUTGUESS THE MOD cents for this game.

[killerjester]

Wait fuck that's right I was jailed. Fucking hell man.

[killerjester]

Can we just NL? Seriously guys?

I feel like the more we second guess ourselves the more likely we are to just fuck it up. It's impossible to lynch non-Kthx scum without bussing involved and this isn't exactly a scenario where scum are likely to bus each other since they just win automatically on a mislynch.

[Titus]

Now we're coming to the realization that I had a few pages ago. #966 is precisely why I pushed for an Ari lynch with RBD and Jingle. Both scumread him. Both had trouble articulating why, sometimes with direct questioning. Kthx and KJ both refuse to vote Ari, despite articulating they suspect him.

I do think Jingle is scum and they went for the fast play here. To do that though, they needed two town bodies dead. The first target was me because I was the jailkeeper. This winds up as a shot on d3x. They then tried to control the lufan shot by redirecting the kill onto killerjester. Given Killer Jester's scumread, she makes a good target for a quick shot to win the game.

Think, if Killerjester

had

died, scum would have won the game. We could not get the votes.


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The alternative scenarios are as follows

D3x swapped with RBD. Thus, lufan's kill hit d3x. Scum also targeted RBD. Thus double kill. [Likelihood:2 %]
D3x swapped with RBD protecting him from a kill from lufan. Killer Jester was sent for the kill or was the killer's target. Kthx lies here in this scenario. Ari/Jingle are the other two scums in this scenario. There's still a MAJOR problem with the Heartless/flames situation unless RBD was never vanillaized as well and received feedback he was. [Likelihood... I can't see it]
D3x swapped with Titus. Kthx is telling the truth. Scum have a hidden roleblocker and blocked Lufan or co-opted my jailkeep. This same method is how Heartless died. [Best out of the alternatives... still does not explain Heartless/Flames]

[killerjester]

I can totally see scum shooting me. I'm an absolute monster in lylo.

[Rainbowdash]

more when not on phone but today is either a NL or RBD. there are a ton of scenarios where kj, lufan, jingle and ari are scum with rbd, but I don't see rbd town in any of them.

Oh lets play this bus driver game with you then:

Who is it if Aristo is town?

Not Aristo - He is town for this theory
Not Me - He targeted me N1
Not you - Remove yourself
Not lufan - They are town
Not Jingle - That role is proven
Not Titus - Me being town is only other way there is one kill last night
Not Elbrin - See N1 actions

So then if I am scum... KJ must first be scum due to driver needs yes?

Look how impossibly hard both Aristo and kthnx are reaching to try and justify a lynch of me. Aristo is saying that scum directly killed RIP and that is his justification. kthnx is apparently pushing that KJ has to be a driver (or lufan is scum who fakeclaimed being a vig) and due to that I am scum

BOTH are essentially saying I am scum because of somepony else being scum first or some other extreme reaching theory.

I mean really... to justify a vote we have the following theories:

Aristo says that scum has a vote thief, bus driver and that scum directly targeted RIP N1 with their kill.
kthnx is floating the idea... well he isn't really saying much of anything. All he said is that titus and Elbrin are town and then refused to elaborate on any ideas. More importantly he hasn't presented anything that leaves me as scum with Aristo as town yet. Which I still have not seen from anypony. Look at the above game with kthnx. Apparently I am scum... but in that scenario KJ is confirmed scum for being driver first? Yet... yeah that's called scum trying to go for the final lynch.

Look how massively hard both Aristo and kthnx are fighting to keep KJ alive in situation where KJ basically HAS to be scum from each of their perspectives. No other player could be the driver for kthnx (although he is apparently about to argue that lufan is scum - which would then be a prerequisite for me being scum). Aristo has resorted to saying that Elbrin is scum in order to somehow not come to the conclusion that KJ is scum.

These theories of theirs simply are not rational. They are starting at a conclusion and then desperately trying to make it true by doing things that no pony would naturally think. Is your first thought at this point "boy lufan must be fakeclaiming scum?", maybe its "boy scum must have targeted RIP N1 and RIP just happened to target scum"?

Nah... its because those are beyond negligible results.

@Titus - I would vote Aristo to stop a no lynch, but KJ lynch is better because it starts locking down scum quite a bit more. It clears Jingle. It clears you. Lots starts becoming clear at that point.

[Titus]

@RBD, lynching Ari is the best move. I see two scenarios mainly. Both have Ari as scum.

Ari flips scum.
Scum shoot Elbrin/lufan/me.
We no lynch.
Scum shoot another.
Lylo is RBD/Jingle/KJ/Kthx +1 countdown.

KJ has a tested ability AND the town does not need to rally as many people.

[Titus]

P.s. I am town, so I can prove myself by dying. (A)

[Aristophanes]

@RBD, lynching Ari is the best move. I see two scenarios mainly. Both have Ari as scum.

Ari flips scum.
Scum shoot Elbrin/lufan/me.
We no lynch.
Scum shoot another.
Lylo is RBD/Jingle/KJ/Kthx +1 countdown.

KJ has a tested ability AND the town does not need to rally as many people.

Except a) I'm not scum b) unless KJ can predict a NoLynch, they have no chance at getting an ability c) game will already be over with my lynch.

[Elbirn]

Alright so vote stealer is town, or there is no vote stealer and kthx (jerry right?) Just tripped and fell on his face and can't vote anymore.

If all town players vote for someone, and that person is scum, they will not be lynched because that would require a scum bus which won't happen.

If all town players vote for someone and that person is town, we lose.

If we no lynch were in the same situation tomorrow and can't win.

Either the game is already over and mod is a bastards for not ending it, or vote stealer is town and we should just vote for aristophanes and hope for the best.

UNVOTE: killerjester

[Elbirn]

For the record this theory relies on Jerry's unspecified negative utility being him losing his vote, but then I don't even know what use his role was or what it did and idfk dude