Open 638: Friends and Enemies! (And Enemies!) - GAME OVER!

[Charloux]

Just lynch Karnos and we win come on! I'm an obv village idiot and not scum!
Well if you want to lynch me go ahead, i wanted to be NK-ed anyway so i could get a song. But this will leave a bad taste in my mouth if this is how i lose my first game after all the shits i caused so far...

[Ozymandias]

I don't know if you are trying to win me over because I said I have a soft post for VIs or if it's real, because you looked smarter than this during the game.

[Ozymandias]

Meh, whatever the result, I enjoyed this game, even though I would have preferred being scum.

I hope everyone else feels the same way.

[Charloux]

I don't even know what a VI is so that doesn't apply here. I bet the death thread is laughing like hell right now from our discussion.

[Ozymandias]

Probs.

[Ozymandias]

If you would give me a reason to lynch Karnos over you, besides the fact that he is scum, I would appreciate it.

[KuroiXHF]

Vote Count - Day Five - VC#2

karnos - 1 - Charloux
Ozymandias - 0 -
Charloux - 0 -

Not Voting: Karnos, Ozymandias

“Your Worst Enemy Could Be Your Best Friend & Your Best Friend Your Worst Enemy” ― Bob Marley
(Ooooh, I love this quote! It fits so well here! I hope you haven't grown too close to anyone, because they may be lurking with a knife!)

Mod Notes:
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Deadline for Day Five
(expired on 2016-06-14 21:00:00)

[Charloux]

Just follow your gut and vote, i won't be mad no matter the outcome; If i lose that just means i suck.
PE: This is freshest so i will go with it: Town-Karnos has no reason not to insta-vote me since you are obv town. Instead he is cautious to the point of creepiness. And if we haven't caught the last scum so far it's more likelier that he was townread.

[Ozymandias]

Just follow your gut and vote, i won't be mad no matter the outcome; If i lose that just means i suck.
PE: This is freshest so i will go with it: Town-Karnos has no reason not to insta-vote me since you are obv town. Instead he is cautious to the point of creepiness. And if we haven't caught the last scum so far it's more likelier that he was townread.

Well, you both were mostly a town read.

I agree that Karnos is really too cautious ( I voted him in my first post for it ), but I read his newbie game and that's pretty much his playstyle.

[Ozymandias]

Man to man is so unjust, children:
Ya don't know who to trust.
Your worst enemy could be your best friend,
And your best friend your worse enemy.

Some will eat and drink with you,
Then behind them su-su 'pon you.
Only your friend know your secrets,
So only he could reveal it.
And who the cap fit, let them wear it!
Who the cap fit, let them wear it!
Said I throw me corn, me no call no fowl;
I saying, "Cook-cook-cook, cluk-cluk-cluk."

Some will hate you, pretend they love you now,
Then behind they try to eliminate you.
But who Jah bless, no one curse;
Thank God, we're past the worse.
Hypocrites and parasites
Will come up and take a bite.
And if your night should turn to day,
A lot of people would run away.
And who the stock fit let them wear it!
Who the (cap fit) let them (wear it)!

And then a-gonna throw me corn,
And then a-gonna call no fowl,
And then a-gonna "Cook-cook-cook, cluk-cluk-cluk."

Some will eat and drink with you,
Then behind them su-su 'pon you, yeah!
And if night should turn to day, now,
A lot of people would run away, yeah!
And who the cap fit, let them wear it!
Who the cap fit, let them wear it!
Throw me corn, me no call no fowl;
A-saying: "Cook-cook-cook, cluk-cluk-cluk."
... : "Cook-cook-cook, cluk-cluk-cluk."
Throw me corn (cook-cook-cook);
Me call no fowl (cluk-cluk-cluk)

[Ozymandias]

Bah, whatever, sorry if I am wrong here, but you really did not help yourself today, Charloux. If you are scum, I would regret it more than if Karnos is scum.

VOTE: Charloux

gg

[Charloux]

@Dead tread: Sorry guys... don't hate me.
GG
PS: You have a terrible taste of music.

[Ozymandias]

You don't like Bob?

[Charloux]

Not really i like Linkin Park and Aimer. But it really sounds like a children's song so no offense.

[Ozymandias]

Linkin Park are good. Never heard of the other group.

[Ozymandias]

Pink Floyd > everythign else, though.

[Charloux]

Well hope dies last so i won't end this game by self-voting. I believe that you will do the right thing so i will come see the results later.

[Ozymandias]

I will think some more, but I really don't see myself changing the vote.

[Ozymandias]

UNVOTE: Karnos

Mostly wanted to see your reaction.

[Ozymandias]

UNVOTE: Charloux

Wrong one lol

[Ozymandias]

I will talk with Karnos and decide.

[Ozymandias]

My concerns with Karnos are the fact that Ranger put him at the bottom in his first reads list, but then put him in the middle in the next one.

{randomidget}
{Creature, Kop}
{BTD6, Masquerade}
{Charloux}
{Kasumeat, Javajoe}
{Killthestory, karnos}

One.

{randomidget}
{Creature, Kop}
{Charloux, karnos, Kuroi}
{Killthestory}
{BTD6, Masquerade, Kasumeat, Javajoe}
Two.
VOTE: Masquerade.

The only posts Karnos between, are these:

Ah OK that makes sense. I can see why the reads on KTS and Karnos.

I'll happily change my vote to KTS if that helps. I just don't want to be the jerk that pushes a lynch onto a nice townie on day 1, and I am not yet confident that KTS is scum.

Actually...

VOTE: DrDolittle

I don't like the hiding... it makes me think you have something to hide.

Top class play coming from kts, not calling L-1 on page 2. Confident in the vote now.
Also kts, I was the first person to vote you. I'm not jumping on the wagon, I'm returning to it.

Wasn't it though? I hate to defend him, but you unvoted yourself, leaving 3 votes. BTD voted you, 4, then KTS voted, 5. Puts you at L-2. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have gone over the thread twice and I don't see it adding up to you being at L-1 with KTS's vote.

Spreading misinformation looks a bit scummy, but I think it could be an honest accident.

Which I am not sure warrant moving up in a read list.

[Ozymandias]

Then there is the rolefishing.

[Ozymandias]

And lastly, today's post.

But his progression in the posts I quoted makes it really hard for me to vote him. Plus he softed to me that he knew I was Mason D1, yet I was killed neither N2 nor N3 ( where a non Mason kill would mean a loss ).

[karnos]

I hated Karnos's first post today, if it wasn't for that, I would probably lynch you without regrets.

Ah, some discussion.

I always find myself second-guessing myself. As I said I was 99% sure you were a mason, but something rubbed me the wrong way about how we rushed through the previous day without even letting kop make a post. Could there be some crazy world where Ozy is actually the scum and the real mason was reluctant to come forward and cc? Didn't seem likely, but I wanted to see what Charloux posted before voting him. We have plenty of time, it doesn't hurt to use it.

Of course since then Charloux has come out posting and he is still claiming VT, I can confidently place a vote on him, since he himself has removed the one nagging doubt I had. There is no reason why mason charloux would still want to hide at this point.

VOTE: Charloux

To your questions, Ozy:

1. Why are you Town?

I'm always town, it seems. Luck of the draw, I guess? To your question in the other post: I have two completed games on the site, both as town, so no scum examples, sorry. I also have another ongoing game but I can't speak to that. In my first town game, I played against scum.ranger and we lost, badly. I'd hate to see this turn into a loss to scum.ranger's team.

2. Why is Charloux scum?

Process of elimination. Bad answer, I know, but it is what it is- all the scummier players have already been lynched. It kind of makes sense now though, now that I think about my first game. Ranger & snoe was the team, and while ranger was active and aggressive at "scumhunting" and such, snoe was largely passive and stay out of the major discussions or claims. I see charloux play in this game as not too far off from how snoe played, and I'm wondering if it's from ranger's coaching in scum chat in both cases.

3. Why did you spend half D1 rolefishing?

I thought KTS was playing scummy as hell. What player forgets his role? Then he claimed kop wasn't a mason. A minute later, he was claiming kop is a mason. The inconsistencies and backtracking made me think he was surely scum of some kind. I also figured, if the masons are already outed, then surely one would be willing to confirm KTS crazy story, just to get the scumhunting back on track, so when that never happened I just got more suspicious.

In retrospect, I realize it was a gambit to get nightkills on ranger instead of a mason, which is kind of a cool strategy, but I'm not sure I would ever try it. If he picked wrong and ranger was a VT, how would he look when ranger came out and said "i'm no mason, KTS is lying, lynch him!"?

Even now, I'm not sure I would play any different, because if it happened again it might just be scum KTS testing the strategy since it worked so well as an actual mason.