Sorry for my lack of consistency over the last few days. my insomnia has decided to play up so im awake and asleep in small bursts and always sleepy and not thinking right. It doesn't lend its self to reading deep into things. I just hope it stabilises soon, this sleep debt will resolve eventually and I can perk up again. KTS's post stream here was entertaining XD but can't really cross refrence it too easily without post marks or quotes.
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:16 am
by Naomi-Tan
I can do this though; Hey KTS with light being scum does this revise any of your reads? like V and Creature?
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:24 am
by Skelda
Unvote
I don't know if I think it is KTS anymore. Those posts feel pretty genuine.
In post 900, xyzzy wrote:before it ever even started I was confident that joining Dunnstral's first modded game was the first choice and now I'm even more sure
so much has happened in the like couple days I've been away (I spent a lot of time sleeping...) and I'll need time to really process it all, but while I'm pretty sure it's possible it's possible for BlackStar to be scum (the normal rules allow for one non-normal role; they don't say anything about how non-normal that role can be) I don't really see it as likely.
Naomi-Tan, do you not think it's possible light_ganski was bussing one of Vedith or Creature?
I'm not seeing why the Seraphim wagon is happening at all. maybe that'll become clearer to me when I get the chance to reread the last several pages at a time that isn't 4 am.
Jordan's response to a fake guilty on him was that he read the thread. His reply indicated it was fully possible to get a guilty on him. He's also in Light's scumpool which likely has at least one scum. (Vedith, creature, BlackStar). The first two are obvious town. The latter is scum you won't lynch. By PoE that leaves Jordan.
that first point is fair; I had interpreted the response to the fake guilty very differently, but the logic that Jordarrian's response assumes the possibility that he's scum seems valid to me. the second point is completely valid too and I think I just missed that point earlier. this seems like the most valid wagon at the moment.
VOTE: Seraphim
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:58 pm
by Seraphim
Bullshit. Jor was a bad new player not used to Mafiascum conventions. He would have been coached in the PT.
The first post happened at 2:18. The next post happened less than 2 minutes later. There was no "coaching". Your argument on why this is not a slip is that Jordan would have checked the thread before replying to anything. Coaching more likely happened after that point, when a town pushed wagon appeared on him.
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:21 pm
by Seraphim
Where is your evidence that Jordarrian was EVER coached?
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:26 pm
by Io
In post 954, Seraphim wrote:Bullshit. Jor was a bad new player not used to Mafiascum conventions. He would have been coached in the PT.
"valid"
Unvote
Vote: xyzzy
Worth noting that I've played less games than Jord.
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:33 pm
by Seraphim
Jordarrian has not completed a single game and has been replaced in the two other newbie games he played before this one. None of his posts in those games demonstrate that he had any idea what he was doing.
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:43 pm
by Killthestory
He's played games on the ToS forums. He's just bad.
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:19 pm
by Blitzkrieg
He was unskilled. However, look at Light's reaction to the wagon.
First, he avoids it.
He then says it's too early to pin down Jordan and Naomi.
Then, Jordan is in his scumpool. He doesn't place a vote or vote elsewhere.
He keeps Jordan in a safe place to vote but never makes a comment on Jordan.
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:20 pm
by Blitzkrieg
In post 958, Seraphim wrote:Jordarrian has not completed a single game and has been replaced in the two other newbie games he played before this one. None of his posts in those games demonstrate that he had any idea what he was doing.
This says implicity that unskilled = town. Also wrong.
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:10 pm
by Transcend
Unskilled = NAI imo.
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:05 am
by Vedith
Vedith is here!
I shall catch up later, weekend stuff!
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:30 am
by Creature
I noticed Jordarrian was scum in his other two games.
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:31 am
by Naomi-Tan
Sigh.. If XYYZY is scum I'm going to be really disappointed in myself.. After our long talk i've convinced myself that they must be town but others disagree and lights responses back up a scum!XYZ. I feel that scum had lead me a lot over the course of the game and fooled me pretty well.. unfortunately I've been no help to the game other than stimulating it at times of low activity such as right now. however unlike those times I don't really feel that I should make a comment right now. just taking the time to self reflect on my mistakes such as being controlled by peer pressure to skew my vote off of creature earlier in the game. heh.. Sorry guys. just finished the beginners guide so.. I'm kinda off and don't help that im extremely sleepy from my body deciding to fuck around.
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:33 am
by Transcend
Vc plz
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:41 am
by BlackStar
In post 933, BlackStar wrote:What would be the motivation for a scum vig to shoot his scum buddy that was at L-1? It would make much more sense to just vote on the wagon or tell him to claim a pr or something. Wagon form and fall apart quickly on day 1, so it was likely that if I hadn't shot light then he wouldn't have even gotten lynched. No matter how often you say it, Verith is not "obv town". He's null at best and that's being a little generous. Why do you even townread xyzzy? I'm not voting sera right now because you've been illogical throughout the game so far and I don't want to follow someone like that. Yeah, jord was scummy. But sera has been decent. I don't know what to make of him so far. But xyzzy's posts are really awkward and light had them as high up on his reads list without saying why. I think it's better to go after xyzzy
I gave you xyzzy, what more do you want from day one? Jeez.
Not gonna vote but I think you know where it goes.
IO is town, and Blitzkrieg being Titus explains a lot, but not enough for me to have any idea which way she swings. I like the connection between light and Jordarrian though.
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:11 am
by Dunnstral
With 12 votes it takes 7 to lynch
Day ends in (expired on 2016-09-09 11:30:00)
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:20 am
by BlackStar
Let's get xyzzy to L-1
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:26 am
by Naomi-Tan
I guess I could but I don't believe in the train... but neither do I trust myself.. I've had pretty bad judgements..
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:40 pm
by xyzzy
Seraphim really didn't seem to have much problem with me until my vote; his vote feels OMGUSesque.
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:05 pm
by Transcend
No xyzzy he voted you because he called you out on your bullshit.
You just silently acquiesced to the lynch that has the second most votes than you.