Newbie 1867 - Game Over

[TheRampage]

I don't see how. I was the one about to get lynched before the guilty read on Teacher. It would have only made sense for me to be lynched next. Honestly, if I felt backed into a corner like I am, as scum, I would have considered claiming tracker if no one could counter and try to go from there.

[Huntress]

Vote Count 3.2

northsidegal (2) - Nachomamma8, TheRampage

Not voting (3) - northsidegal, Scioness Sajj, vulcan logician


With five players alive, it takes three votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Three is Monday, 11th June, 9am BST, (in (expired on 2018-06-11 09:00:00)).

[Scioness Sajj]

i'm getting sort of impatient and since we are waiting for nsg if anybody wants to talk out reads and stuff in case nsg is a tracker and we are going into d4 im here

i don't like how you have me as the "default" lynch here.

i might be missing something but i think it is the right play with or without your claim.

why do you think i'm scum in the first place? i think most of my low-key play this game is attributable to me being a PR - see open 714 for a similar game here.

i don't remember you posting anything game related really. you really didn't post enough for me or anybody to sort you.
i will read 714 and let you know what i think.

i also think lynching me today is suboptimal just from a setup standpoint given that it means we always go into lylo without any conftown whereas even if you think i'm scum me being alive yesterday means it will be a guaranteed 50/50

yesterday?

with or without you we still don't have a confirmed town in lylo. like do you imagine you'd be holding hammer tomorrow if vulcan is dead?

[Scioness Sajj]

i also don't understand why you went for vulcan instead of nacho or rampage.

i think you should be aware of the situation you are in and should have been looking for guilty.

[Scioness Sajj]

sort fo nvm my posts i see you have talked about those things with rampage.

but then again, that turn of events, where you are crossing with the other most likely guilty, isn't anything that scum you wouldn't be counting on.
scum!you also couldn't walk into today with a guilty.

nsg, assume you are a lynch today no matter what. what do you do?

[Scioness Sajj]

Actually

I think I know what nsg is talking about with taking her to lylo but idk how much I like it

[vulcan logician]

Okay. Here's where I'm at:

{Nacho}
{Rampage, Scion}
{nsg}

Why you all so scummy? As I said before, Nacho is pretty much null, but he's on the townie side of null. Rampage and Scion are flat null. Scioness was townreading teacherslot pretty hard. She was also happy to lynch Rampage day 2. Makes me wonder. Rampage was scum reading teacherslot hard.. makes me wonder about bussing, but otherwise I'm null on him.

nsg is kind of on the scummy side of null. This sucks because I have no clear reads at this point. Let me jot some more thoughts down about nsg and why I think she's the best lynch. Stay tuned.

[vulcan logician]

As has been pointed out by more than one person, nsg's tracking ability will not serve any good tomorrow. Even if she is a tracker, scum will simply accuse her of lying about her tracker report and it will be worthless. Beyond that nsg has not been inclined to set us up for the next day cycle in the event she's lynched. She is far more concerned with arguing that she should be left alive.

My advice to nsg is this, if you are town, help town prepare to go into the next day cycle without you.

My ISOs were not as productive as I'd hoped. I'll give nsg a chance to come back and see what parting words of wisdom she has for town that will help them resolve D4 without her, then I'll cast my vote to lynch her.

[vulcan logician]

If anyone else has something to say, say it now.

Intent to hammer nsg

[Scioness Sajj]

It's 5 am and so hot I can't sleep

Vulcan I need to ask you about two things.
1. Do you remember if Nacho posted any kind of read about me?
2. Hold onto the hammer please. If nsg flips town, you die and we are big mess in d4. Like nobody even to hold the hammer. I think we have better chances of talking it out today when everybody is present.

[vulcan logician]

I won't hammer.

2 isn't a question and as to 1... I can't recall. Where are you going with this?

[TheRampage]

I agree with Scioness, we need to talk through who should be responsible with the hammer in the case that we are wrong. For me, I am leaning Scioness if it comes to it.

[vulcan logician]

The think about Nacho's play that bothers me is that it is a carbon copy of my scumgame. I am a "truth-telling" scum. I try to keep lies to a minimum. I say things like "Such and such is dodging the questions being asked " or "Isn't it quite odd that this person hasn't spoken all day cycle then, ten minutes after someone accused them of lurking they make a post?" I say things that are true. I notice shady behavior and I talk about it. I usually "have my doubts" about somebody too. I pretend to tunnel them. It's usually someone that others read as null. If this is Nacho's scumgame, he and I use the same playbook. If it isn't then I'm just projecting.

[vulcan logician]

You guys could lynch Nacho today. If he's scum, he would certainly walk away from tomorrow victorious. He's played a good game and will surely argue his way out of the lynch. Just be prepared to lynch nsg tomorrow. Look at it this way. nsg will have to pretend to have followed one of you... making her hammer set in stone. If she is scum she will have to look at another player and lie to their face that she knows they are mafia. On the other hand, if someone else is scum, they will have to deal with nsg knowing that they are scum.

[northsidegal]

nsg is kind of on the scummy side of null. This sucks because I have no clear reads at this point. Let me jot some more thoughts down about nsg and why I think she's the best lynch. Stay tuned.

can you go more into your read on me? why am i on the scummy side of null for you?

[northsidegal]

As has been pointed out by more than one person, nsg's tracking ability will not serve any good tomorrow. Even if she is a tracker, scum will simply accuse her of lying about her tracker report and it will be worthless. Beyond that nsg has not been inclined to set us up for the next day cycle in the event she's lynched. She is far more concerned with arguing that she should be left alive.

no?

just like i said to rampge - my not being lynched today (even if i'm nightkilled) leaves town with a guaranteed conftown tomorrow - either you survive there if i'm nightkilled, i track someone and they turn up innocent (thus making the last player confirmed scum), or i track someone and they turn up guilty (thus making the third person conftown).

[northsidegal]

If anyone else has something to say, say it now.

Intent to hammer nsg

um.

what happened to not rushing through this?

[northsidegal]

oops, skipped scioness.

i don't remember you posting anything game related really. you really didn't post enough for me or anybody to sort you.
i will read 714 and let you know what i think.

if it's just a "not posting enough" thing, then like i said - let's not rush through this. i know that i'm town, and i'm confident i can make that clear to everyone as well.

[northsidegal]

like, nacho has said a lot about how my ISO this game makes me scum but i don't think he's ever gone into real specifics, and i don't think he's factored in me being a PR into his thoughts?

i'm waiting to see what he says when he comes back, myself.

[vulcan logician]

If anyone else has something to say, say it now.

Intent to hammer nsg

um.

what happened to not rushing through this?

No one can trust your tracker claim, nsg. And because of that,

it's next to useless

. The only use that can be found I posted above.

Why are you the scummy side of null? Your claim has bad timing, and your tracker target didn't make sense.

[vulcan logician]

@nsg Why aren't you trying your best to set town up for a day cycle without you? You don't seem to be concerned with finding scum; you just want to live to the D4. You treat things as if your death on D3 means you won't satisfy your win condition

[northsidegal]

No one can trust your tracker claim, nsg. And because of that, it's next to useless. The only use that can be found I posted above.

okay?

just because you can't necessarily trust the tracker claim as confirmed, how does that lead you to the conclusion of just lynching me?

wouldn't you rather, i don't know... just go off of reads?



i also don't see what that has to do with rushing at all?

[northsidegal]

@nsg Why aren't you trying your best to set town up for a day cycle without you? You don't seem to be concerned with finding scum; you just want to live to the D4. You treat things as if your death on D3 means you won't satisfy your win condition

i don't intend to get lynched. i've never accepted my lynch as town - this is something you can verify for yourself. i can link you the games before, if you want. i never give up.

[northsidegal]

and, as i've already said - i'm waiting to see how nacho re-enters the thread. it's unfair to say that i'm unconcerned with finding scum when i've already said that i don't want to rush and specifically have said what i'm waiting to analyze.

[vulcan logician]

@nsg Why aren't you trying your best to set town up for a day cycle without you? You don't seem to be concerned with finding scum; you just want to live to the D4. You treat things as if your death on D3 means you won't satisfy your win condition

i don't intend to get lynched. i've never accepted my lynch as town - this is something you can verify for yourself. i can link you the games before, if you want. i never give up.

There is a difference between being resistant to the idea of your own lynch and being single mindedly opposed to being lynched without regard to any other game factors.