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In post 948, skitter30 wrote:Also @chara: some of your posts feel a little pocket-y to me and its starting to make me paranoid of you

telling me this won't change my behaviour towards you. i was right last time in townreading you for the same things i'm seeing here, i know all of the real time posting you've been doing isn't your preference as scum, and about the only thing i don't like from you this game is that the depth of your analysis doesn't feel as meaty.
but that last one doesn't feel like a scumtell, though if it is that'd be an interesting one, and i still agree with a good number of your reads. though obviously not on Reck.

i'm not sure why you think i would be less... "pocket-y" given our history together and how your reads were essentially mirrors of mine but better in our last game. you're a really good townplayer and it grabs my attention.

In post 949, skitter30 wrote:I think reck has been pretty townie tbh

we agree on tris, but why do you find Reck towny?

ignore the down arrow.

In post 950, Chara wrote:and about the only thing i don't like from you this game is that the depth of your analysis doesn't feel as meaty.

this is a function more of starting a new job last week that right now has a longish commute; most days for the past couple of weeks (and i expect for the next week or so) i get home kinda late and i've been finding that a few hours later i start getting tired enough that i can tell i'm not thinking through things clearly, but this hasn't been a high enough priority to spend time going back and rereading things; i might do that over the weekend if i have the time for it

(i'm moving a lot closer to my job late next week or early the week after tho so i don't think this will be a permanent thing)

In post 950, Chara wrote:i'm not sure why you think i would be less... "pocket-y" given our history together and how your reads were essentially mirrors of mine but better in our last game. you're a really good townplayer and it grabs my attention.

idk. i didn't get the pocket-y vibes much last game much at all. i also don't know why i started townreading you there, beyond for the fact that ~eod2 you just felt town, and if you're town here that lightbulb hasn't gone off yet.

In post 951, Chara wrote:

In post 949, skitter30 wrote:I think reck has been pretty townie tbh

we agree on tris, but why do you find Reck towny?

in particular rn his reaction/frustration at tris' fake hammer felt real, like he was actually mad that the day was over before the lurkers started posting, and in general i just agree with a lot of his thougths throughout the game.

not sure why you're scumreading him tbh? is it mostly because he townbinned both of us, and you think if he's scum he thinks we're both not really lynchable so this is his way of dealing with us?

tbh this is kinda the vibe that i'm getting with you? ie that you think i'm not lynchable so you need to come up with some other way to deal with me (especially in a game that's nightless!), and so you've settled for trying to pocket and/or get me to townread you

In post 944, Chara wrote:if she is scum i think her strategy here is pretty high level. and i think understanding her better would lead to a better read so i might leave it at that for now.

This kind of thing is a huge town tell btw

Ankamius, telling me that your behaviour is a huge town tell is great, but i'm not going to take it seriously unless it's in postgame or it's somebody else talking you.
unless you were talking about my alignment and not yours?

In post 953, skitter30 wrote:not sure why you're scumreading him tbh? is it mostly because he townbinned both of us, and you think if he's scum he thinks we're both not really lynchable so this is his way of dealing with us?

no, it was the reaction to Enter at the beginning but mostly the read on me. i don't care that he townreads you so much that he put me in his townlist for no adequate reason i could see.

I'm being consistent (:

I play by the seat of my pants as scum even if I plan everything behind the scenes

I play entirely to a plan as town and try to hide it

So really it's not all that big a difference, but if you can tell that there's a consistent agenda behind my posting, then that's almost certainly a town game from me

In post 953, skitter30 wrote:tbh this is kinda the vibe that i'm getting with you? ie that you think i'm not lynchable so you need to come up with some other way to deal with me (especially in a game that's nightless!), and so you've settled for trying to pocket and/or get me to townread you

okay, there's nothing i can do about this and i can't be more clear about why i'm reading you this way than i already have been.
how would your perception of town me be reading you right now? if not like this.

i was thinking about this earlier, and was wondering if it was just paranoia combined with my lackluster play, which would make sense. it's still annoying but i think if you are town you'll figure out i am eventually.
but you've said you think you're mostly out of your scumrange here, and you should know i'm aware of your meta and paying attention to it. so what reason would i even have to do anything but townread you, or listen to your reads?

In post 957, Ankamius wrote:I'm being consistent (:

I play by the seat of my pants as scum even if I plan everything behind the scenes

I play entirely to a plan as town and try to hide it

So really it's not all that big a difference, but if you can tell that there's a consistent agenda behind my posting, then that's almost certainly a town game from me

this is still more self meta that just isn't useful for me. you're so aware of your meta that any scum competence from you would mean you could fake it.

I can fake a lot of my town traits, but only a small amount at a time.

I'd probably be an exceptional scum player if I could reliably play my town game as scum.

i looked at Reck's reaction to the tris fakehammer again and i guess i don't see a reason to fake that. i've seen scum be genuinely frustrated at bad townplay before, but tris's hammer had no real game ramifications so it's more likely town that would be bothered, in my opinion.
i like my tris vote more either way. Ankamius i can't read and the self meta really isn't helping.

pedit: look, without actual experience with you here or a lot of evidence that is actual evidence i can't use what you're saying here to inform my read in any real way. i even believe you believe this but selectively noting your own meta is something i've seen scum do.

Ankamius, your last three posts are just "Chara townread me", what do you think about the other stuff i've just said here? like Reckoner, tris, skitter's feeling that i'm pocket-y.

My agenda is actually a lot different than getting you to townread me

okay, so you find this strategy of your hidden agenda useful for you, that's great, but it's really hard to interact with.
you do you.

That's fine

I don't actually think you're very likely to be town either way.

i'm not scumreading Ankamius and i wouldn't really want her lynched anytime soon, because when i'm frustrated by someone that often points to town.
her whole style isn't uncommon but there's an element of secrecy and a facade to it that on a meta level i find anti-town as town. i guess i can't complain even if i disagree with the reads as long as the result is Ankamius trying to lynch scum she thinks is scum.

pedit: alright.

I've been spending the entire last 20 pages or so specifically trying to push against the NMSA wagon (who I believe is town) and to pull the wagon over to myself to see what responses people would have and how exactly they would handle the gamestate shift.

Skitter's is sensical and very unlikely to be a scum response, it's pretty blatant she can tell somethings weird about how I'm approaching this but she's also specifically not trying to push it into the ground. I don't think she has any particular awareness that I'm almost impossible to lynch as town.

Urap2 had a pretty bad response, but I've mostly changed my mind on it. Scum have no real reason to reshape their reads towards mine or even to switch off his current trajectory. If he was scum with NMSA, they either would have committed to the bus since Urap2 had a lot of potential towncred to get from it, or the backing off would have happened much earlier when there was this much resistance to it. It's just a lot easier to see from a town rethinking how they're approaching the game mindset.

Reckoner only makes sense as scum to me if NMSA is town. His hop onto the wagon was never going to give towncred with a bus, his extreme aggression towards reshifting the wagon doesn't make sense from a scum partner based on how much resistance there is from reshifting reads away from that slot being the top scumread. I think reck is a good enough player to have a good reason to play like he is as scum, and I also think that it's the type of planning that would be a lot easier for me to detect later in the game with flip info. I'm not really interested in sorting him definitively for this reason.

NMSA just feels like newbtown for me. Flailing is NAI from newer players and that's really the only scummy thing I could attribute to his play this game. Nothing anybody else has convinced me.

Brigitte has a really awkward scumread on me that I can't find a thought process supporting at all. Her reaction to the 'lynch' was posturey as hell as the only person who seemed to be ignoring it entirely (which is a scum trait for players that are probably less confident in faking reactions to events going on in the game). A lot of what I've seen from her towards this stage looks like scum that can't quite adapt to what's being thrown her way well enough to be realistic from a town mindset.

Did I miss anybody obvious?

I'm like 90% certain that Brigitte is scum

Chara is my guess for scum #2 and my current guess is that one of the absent slots is scum #3, but I need more time to be able to cement either of those slots.

FTR

Recks read of me makes a lot of sense, I just also believe he's the most likely player here to be able to fool me with that.

do you have a read on tris?

VOTE: Brigitte

Tris is probably town, nothing about my read on her was a lie.

Call it a gut read.

i'm concerned Ankamius's scum play is just good as i said was possible earlier, but knowing what her agenda actually was does give better context to my gut feeling of being frustrated with her obfuscation and wanting to understand her.

interested in skitter's thoughts on Ank in light of that for sure.

i'd put my townreads in Enter/skitter/u2/Ankamius, though none of them are with as high of a degree of confidence as i'd like. Enter might have the most from me, and possibly Ankamius. skitter would be up there too but the stated paranoia of me is sort of making that confidence stumble, even if it maybe shouldn't.
playing with little time is really hurting me here, i feel like a lot of my reads could be better if i just found good spots to put time into analyzing.
would be happy if the day didn't end without more from low-content slots, and more selfishly without me having an opportunity to dig in more.

i remember Enter talking about the resistance to the nmsa wagon: i understand that, but when the wagon has so little basis, besides from u2's meta read (and yes, that was meta), i think there's going to be pushback from town too. not every player plays with the want to push wagons they don't fully believe in through for information.

though i do like the idea.

pedit: shows how badly i've missed some things, i thought i was caught up but i didn't remember where you outlined your read on tris. and now that i say that i think you were the one who locktowned Reck and tris regarsing the fakehammer, and i do remember.

Tbf I wasn't actually townreading either of them at that point for what I said they were, I was waiting to see if their play would shift to account for that read since my plan at that point was to not become a potential NK.

I don't think there's much worry there since I haven't seen anything that would indicate they are scum, or at the very least that a gambit like that would affect the NKs.

{Tictac, Nimueh, Flubber} are the slots I think I prefer to lynch today.

Let's start here?

VOTE: tictac