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Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:13 pm
by Micc
Ohh nice. I felt pretty good about skitter being scum and then the wagon started to shift and I don’t really understand why. Went through the game three separate times today and always landed at skitter.

Thanks for moderating the worst. Nice to have our roles reversed for once.

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:16 pm
by the worst
This game is a great example of how a firm town voice can be both empowering and challenging to town - watching Menalque become the pivotal voice in GBJ's lynch and then make that final vote on the town cw was really interesting.

Really well done town. This was such a tidy well played game.

And yes Billy/Kanna were the masons. :P sorry you didn't get to reprise the role, Micc.

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:16 pm
by Micc
My notes thread is public

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:27 pm
by skitter30
tyty tw for modding

once gbj went down yesterday this didn't feel particularly winnable

i'm p sure i could have gotten the billy mislynch today if he wasn't a mason, but i don't think i could have gotten 3 mislynches i'd need to win once gjb got lynched

@gbj i did misplay this, sorry. i should have hammered non at the end of day 1 (although we probalby lose day3 there?), but i really am very vla on fridays now and i never got back to the thread before day ended

i think that last 24 hours or so of day1 kinda dictated the game

enjoyed playing with all of you again @mena, billy, micc, gl; gg, you lot played well

my best guess is that it was billy/kanna?

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:32 pm
by Kanna
Nice, a flawless town win! Thanks the worst for modding and everyone in this game for a really good experience!

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:27 pm
by GuiltyLion
Hey great game everyone! Was an enjoyable one throughout, thanks everyone for keeping it chill. I think town did a great job of cycling through paranoia about everybody for due diligence and #content but ultimately landing on the truly indicative stuff, Menalque MVP probably for moving me off Map to GBJ. I guess scum danced a little too long around the Non Imh lynch d1, I've made that mistake before, a good reminder to take the mislynches when you can and not let them fall off.

As always was a well-modded game, thank you TW for hosting!

Hope you newbies had fun and to see you around in other games :]

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:46 pm
by Uncrowned
In post 950, Micc wrote:Ohh nice. I felt pretty good about skitter being scum and then the wagon started to shift and I don’t really understand why. Went through the game three separate times today and always landed at skitter.

Thanks for moderating the worst. Nice to have our roles reversed for once.
I was a little confused as well lol I thought my D1 disagreement with the non wagon and then pushing scum GBJ near conf!towned me

I can kinda see some skepticism over my slot but we worked it out well. Good stuff everybody!

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:52 pm
by Uncrowned
Also big sad is that this is my last newbie game as a newb ); I got put on some stacked teams in literally every game I played lmao. Luck is with me... For now. :o

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:41 pm
by Map Wolf
Wow. What a nice game. Am I right that the other mason was Kanna?

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:44 pm
by Map Wolf
I figured in 941 that Kanna was mason due to Billy so clearly not considering the possibility of her being scum.

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:03 pm
by the worst
In post 951, the worst wrote:And yes Billy/Kanna were the masons
You betcha. :)

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:22 am
by Billy Pilgrim
Yeah, I wasmt trying to really hide it at that point. If she got killed instead of me I'm still conf town that day and not a mislynch target so it accomplished the same thing. Really well played and as usual my reads suck. I legit didnt see anything from GBJ different from normal passive play, and I think I just conf!biased Skitt town, but thank god I had her at least as the next lynch.

Well played folks, this town had good cohesion outside of non.

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:56 am
by Menalque
oh, nice, gg wp everyone

skitt, you were in a really bad spot there

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:57 am
by Menalque
I need to reread this to figure out why I let myself get convinced that it was better to do skitt tomorrow not today

I think it was because I was content with the fact that with masons and micc she was definitely getting lynched tomorrow if she was scum, so I didn't want to lynch her today because if she was town I wanted to work with her on her reads

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:58 am
by Menalque
Billy, my main bit of feedback for you would be to try to obfuscate a little bit more who your mason buddy is if you're not going to both claim at the same time

also, did you crumb that it was kanna in such a way that we'd find that it was definitely her after you were dead?

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:59 am
by Menalque
@gbj I don't think you played badly by the way, I just think that this town worked p well together and you made what I think is a fairly classic newbie error as scum which is posting but not scumhunting

your tone was good imo

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:00 am
by Menalque
if anyone else wants feedback then feel free to ask

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:01 am
by skitter30
In post 963, Menalque wrote:I need to reread this to figure out why I let myself get convinced that it was better to do skitt tomorrow not today

I think it was because I was content with the fact that with masons and micc she was definitely getting lynched tomorrow if she was scum, so I didn't want to lynch her today because if she was town I wanted to work with her on her reads
Ya. Was p close to self-hammering, it wasnt winnable at that point

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:06 am
by Menalque
In post 967, skitter30 wrote:
In post 963, Menalque wrote:I need to reread this to figure out why I let myself get convinced that it was better to do skitt tomorrow not today

I think it was because I was content with the fact that with masons and micc she was definitely getting lynched tomorrow if she was scum, so I didn't want to lynch her today because if she was town I wanted to work with her on her reads
Ya. Was p close to self-hammering, it wasnt winnable at that point
honestly you always do such a good job of sounding town and just being pleasant to play with that it makes me reluctant to lynch you even when I kind of ~*know*~ you're scum

like during the night when I was rereading I was about 100% on you being scum but wanted to see how you entered

but then like you gradually talked me out of it to a point where I wasn't even sure you were the most likely to be scum

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:07 am
by Menalque
there was one post you made in particular that I found persuasive (obviously for the wrong reasons with the benefits of hindsight) so I need to find that and work out why it was convincing

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:12 am
by skitter30
nice to hear i'm getting better at persuasion lol

i used to be utterly unable to ~sound~ townie in that situation

i do think if billy wasn't masons i could have gotten that mislynch. it would have been an uphill battle but theoretically doable

once he claimed masons i was p much done

also i was p sure uncrowned was a vt for the very same post you were pr-reading him for

i was also p sure it was masons by the time day2 started but i didn't know who they were

i actually think that the current setup is more townsided than people think it is
if you can't find the prs by like n1/early day2 it's p hard to win

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:17 am
by RadiantCowbells
Mmm

What about the insane rate of D1 scum lynches that have nothing to do with PRs

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:20 am
by Menalque
In post 706, Uncrowned wrote:I think we can solve this game quite easily by looking at the GBJ wagon. I don't know how I want to go about analyzing it yet,
but one thing I'm pretty confident in is Map Wolf being Town now
, due to his placement on the wagon.

Using this post as a reminder to go look at who was on the Non Wagon as well.
I actually thought this was why he was an investigative

he was quite susp of map on D1 and so I thought the sudden movement upwards in his reads was not necessarily explained sufficiently by the reason he gave implying that he'd investigated him somehow and had an inno

I think you would have got the billy Lynch if he was a mason AFTER micc repp'd in

before micc repped in I didn't trust town enough to not lynch you tomorrow if billy didn't flip scum so I was willing to strong-arm your lynch if necessary as I knew you'd kill me N2 if you were scum, so I really believed what I was saying about needing to lynch you as insurance based on your movements around gbj

real talk I think nearly all mafia games that aren't larges are overly townsided unless they're mountainous

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:20 am
by Menalque
in current site meta I mean

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:32 am
by skitter30
In post 972, Menalque wrote:before micc repped in I didn't trust town enough to not lynch you tomorrow if billy didn't flip scum so I was willing to strong-arm your lynch if necessary as I knew you'd kill me N2 if you were scum, so I really believed what I was saying about needing to lynch you as insurance based on your movements around gbj
ya you're actually really good at figuring out what scum!me is doing lol
you p much outlined exactly what i was doing here and in 1951

i don't remember anyone else so accurately figuring out exactly what i was trying to accomplish and why