New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like that suggestion over eliminate because exile has a bit more of a negative power to it. Which is necessary, because avoiding "the lynch" or avoiding to be "exiled" is after all an important matter in mafia games.

[TemporalLich]

yeah, and the good thing is that E-x, ELo, and MeLo work for Exile.

pedit: yeah, exile still has the feel of it being something you don't want to happen to you, and eliminate can just be seen as a game show type thing.

[kuribo]

Exile is pretty sweet too. Town just grabs you and tosses you out at the county line

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Again, whether they are defacto effected officially or not doesn't really change that the community should also be making an effort to also change their language.

I agree, however, we've seen that there are some in the community that's willing to die on the hill of "mafia isn't worth playing if we have to use a slightly different word."

Also, there are people willing to claim they don't know what the racial connotations of the word are, but, I've already called them out for bad faith.

Where I live, English isn't even the language most people use. I think there would be people who actually don't know about its racial connotations like me until just a few hours ago.

[Nero Cain]

Why not just use another L-word thus we wouldn't have to change any terms?

laid to rest?

lost their life?

liquification? )kinda scifi sounding though)

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I'll endorse exile by using it.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Why not just use another L-word thus we wouldn't have to change any terms?

laid to rest?

lost their life?

liquification? )kinda scifi sounding though)

Could make it exiLe-1.

[Kerset]

Lylo and Mylo are here to stay I assume, even if the killing word is changing?

I think they clarified earlier that this is only for mods for the time being. So, I don't think LYLO and MYLO are affected.

What if the mod needs to specify mylo/lylo for a role or for a rule, or even in a setup description?

Ummmmm.... No, not a real thing.

During LyLo you can't use powers similar to Loved/Hated. It is a thing used in roles.

[NorwegianboyEE]

laid to rest?

How about: "Laid gently to rest with a kiss on the cheeks by mama"

[Nero Cain]

laid to rest?

How about: "Laid gently to rest with a kiss on the cheeks by mama"

that's gonna be a no from me, dawg

[Kerset]

Another option could be arresting? During night Mafia kills people and during day Town arrest them.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Another option could be arresting? During night Mafia kills people and during day Town arrest them.

Except arrest implies that the person could be released from custody.

[Klick]

Exile could be X-1 that would be cool

[Isis]

I'm disappointed by a change being so insubstantial and symbolic and not doing enough to cut towards what is problematic about posting lynch scenes.

Publically or nocturnally collectively extrajudicially killing somebody is a natural vehicle for prejudices. It has less stringent requirements on the truth of the transgression alleged because the truth of the transgression alleged is something you can control after birth, and gains more strength from widely held prejudices against a group, which don't have to be unanimous amongst a jury that risks including a member from that group.

For some reason, we will have a new rule to ban the more common five letter word for doing this, but "hang" is still allowed and mods are still allowed if not encouraged to use flavor in which the protagonists use a method of punishing crime that traditionally empowers prejudices and empowers hate.

I think somewhere in here, some user suggested replacing "lynch" with "burn", so that to avoid the appearance of celebrating Reconstruction lynchings of black hate, we can clearly align ourselves with centuries older executions of women hate! How brilliant! I can't believe no one batted an eye.

The very first thing passed after the thirteenth amendment to free the slaves in america was the fourteenth amendment to give blacks the right to a jury trial and due process, because those are essential protections against hateful mob justice. With racism so pervasive across the south, they weren't always sufficient protections, but they're very helpful.

"Mob justice" is generally associated with prejudice. It's astounding that we'll ban this one particular word, and apparently one guy was kind of racist and also had that last name and Lycanfire wants to talk about that so that's cool, but why not ban mob justice, the actual hate vehicle no matter what you call it?
If you don't want to ban that flavor in general, then maybe don't ban the word "lynch" at all, if your tolerance is at that level maybe that's a defensible position, Macbeth is the protagonist in a play that people like, Light Yagami is a fine protagonist, etc etc. Banning only the word seems performative to me. And maybe it's better than nothing, but at best it's a missed opportunity. Roleplaying a town that is paranoid of a murderer in their midst and tries to figure out who that is is not essential to what's fun of mafia, the fun is social deduction.

I appreciate those who suggested "guillotined" and trended towards the idea of that direction. The French revolution was very violent but guillotining, to my American understanding, was generally about establishing political control and removing parties that had the potential to gain political power. This is still pretty violent but is a system that systematically kills people with political ambitions, rather than systematically killing people who were born wrong.
I don't appreciate the idea that just because the French revolution exists means that mob justice is kewl and does kewl things sometimes and isn't it cool that nowadays Frenchmen can vote cause monarchs got guillotined? They're too distinct. They were almost like war killings given the shifts in political control and I'd be ok with them the way I'd be ok with a WWII flavored game, and they're nothing like choosing to utilize mob justice instead of rights-based justice through a judicial system for someone who seems to have committed a crime, which I'm always against.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I would like to know how is a fair trial supposed to occur with no witnesses and no evidence.

[TemporalLich]

I mean while burn sounded like it could work at first... it's not a term I like for the town's method of removing player slots (somewhat confusing and still charged with unfortunate implications)

The guillotine is a form of execution, and I'd prefer the term execution over guillotining. I still prefer Exile more though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The guillotine is a form of execution, and I'd prefer the term execution over guillotining.

We're not all French frogs like Menalque here. Typing the word "Guillotining" every time would be a total pain in the ass.

[Gypyx]

would "executed" be an acceptable replacement? not really related to any part of history from what I recall and it's vague enough to not cause any problems

[N]

yes

[kuribo]

The guillotine is a form of execution, and I'd prefer the term execution over guillotining.

We're not all French frogs like Menalque here. Typing the word "Guillotining" every time would be a total pain in the ass.

Beheading is a better verb for guillotine usage

[brassherald]

Forcibly shuffled from their mortal coil

[N]

Forcibly shuffled from their mortal coil

just resting

[Davsto]

how about "x was forced to be a mod on mafiascum dot net"

[Equinox]

how about "x was forced to be a mod on mafiascum dot net"

L

[Dunnstral]

Excellently said Isis