Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:38 pm
LL/Porkens wagon was a steaming pile of dung. Id say 1 scum off wagon. Clark off wagon, raya on wagon. Gg.
VOTE: Clark
VOTE: Clark
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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:40 pm
^Intent to hammer and Jam's little gambit for the hammer not withstanding?
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:50 pm
1. It's not hugely valuable, but also doesn't do any harm. I don't think it's something we should be overly pre-occupied with.In post 947, ClarkBar wrote:Thanks for the quick response, BM. Going to ask a couple more questions.
1. Are examining/guessing about NK's a worthwhile pursuit of Town? (not an attack on you for 946 BM, just a general best practices thing.)
2. Is Raya scum? I'm not interested in responses to this one from Raya or BM, though they are welcome. I do want to hear from everybody else on this matter.
2. No, I don't think Raya is scum.
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:52 pm
VOTE: 72offsuit
I disagree with those feeling 72 is town after that turn. I explained the reasons for the opposite Day 1.
Clark and Raya are still some of my favorites and Battle Mage is now also suspect to me.
Jamesv is weird...
No thoughts on Looker yet. Most of my thinking is still based off Homuras play which I will revisit.
Current areadlist scum to less scum.
72 confident here.
Raya
Clark
battle mage
Looker
Jamsv
I see a few potential scum pairings too.
72 and Clark or BM and Clark. I have no pairing for Raya currently.
Quick thoughts, I'm tired tonight and will check back in tomorrow.
I disagree with those feeling 72 is town after that turn. I explained the reasons for the opposite Day 1.
Clark and Raya are still some of my favorites and Battle Mage is now also suspect to me.
Jamesv is weird...
No thoughts on Looker yet. Most of my thinking is still based off Homuras play which I will revisit.
Current areadlist scum to less scum.
72 confident here.
Raya
Clark
battle mage
Looker
Jamsv
I see a few potential scum pairings too.
72 and Clark or BM and Clark. I have no pairing for Raya currently.
Quick thoughts, I'm tired tonight and will check back in tomorrow.
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:09 pm
I think you're close to the money with that list, 13JT. Can you tell me why Looker is so much of a town-read though?
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:21 pm
In post 945, ClarkBar wrote:I think I agree. Still, a dick move.In post 943, Battle Mage wrote:initial thoughts: Jam-scum wouldn't have made that weird play yesterday around the Porkens wagon.
Please explore this further. Conviction at that point is, to me, not AI.In post 943, Battle Mage wrote:Raya's posts at end of day had conviction and didn't leave herself open to a Porkens town-flip. Felt legit.
I think some people had blinders on yesterday due to LL's play. But Looker was so actively scumhunting...In post 943, Battle Mage wrote:Must be at least 1 scum on the Porkens wagon because there was no reason not to be, therefore must be TTJT and/or Looker.
And for me 72 being scum was largely contingent on Porkens being scum.In post 943, Battle Mage wrote:need to revisit 72offsuit as i think i basically locktowned him based on pork being scum.
In post 953, TheThirteenthJT wrote:VOTE: 72offsuit
I disagree with those feeling 72 is town after that turn. I explained the reasons for the opposite Day 1.
Clark and Raya are still some of my favorites and Battle Mage is now also suspect to me.
Jamesv is weird...
No thoughts on Looker yet. Most of my thinking is still based off Homuras play which I will revisit.
Current areadlist scum to less scum.
72 confident here.
Raya
Clark
battle mage
Looker
Jamsv
I see a few potential scum pairings too.
72 and Clark or BM and Clark. I have no pairing for Raya currently.
Quick thoughts, I'm tired tonight and will check back in tomorrow.
Clark - Can you talk me through this one? You started by saying 72o would only be scum with Pork, and after he votes you, you agree with TTJT's assessment he is top scumread? Or is there another part of the list you agree with?In post 954, ClarkBar wrote:I think you're close to the money with that list, 13JT. Can you tell me why Looker is so much of a town-read though?
TTJT - As per post above, if both your potential scum pairings include Clark, why voting for 72o?
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I'll decline any invitation for further thought until everybody checks in.In post 954, ClarkBar wrote:I think you'recloseto the money with that list, 13JT.Can you tell me why Looker is so much of a town-read though?
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:52 pm
If you have 2 top scumteams in mind and Clark appears in both, why would you not vote clark?In post 953, TheThirteenthJT wrote:VOTE: 72offsuit
I disagree with those feeling 72 is town after that turn. I explained the reasons for the opposite Day 1.
Clark and Raya are still some of my favorites and Battle Mage is now also suspect to me.
Jamesv is weird...
No thoughts on Looker yet. Most of my thinking is still based off Homuras play which I will revisit.
Current areadlist scum to less scum.
72 confident here.
Raya
Clark
battle mage
Looker
Jamsv
I see a few potential scum pairings too.
72 and Clark or BM and Clark. I have no pairing for Raya currently.
Quick thoughts, I'm tired tonight and will check back in tomorrow.
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:54 pm
Why do you scumread me if i scumread your other top 3 scumreadas. Non sequitur. It does not follow.In post 953, TheThirteenthJT wrote:VOTE: 72offsuit
I disagree with those feeling 72 is town after that turn. I explained the reasons for the opposite Day 1.
Clark and Raya are still some of my favorites and Battle Mage is now also suspect to me.
Jamesv is weird...
No thoughts on Looker yet. Most of my thinking is still based off Homuras play which I will revisit.
Current areadlist scum to less scum.
72 confident here.
Raya
Clark
battle mage
Looker
Jamsv
I see a few potential scum pairings too.
72 and Clark or BM and Clark. I have no pairing for Raya currently.
Quick thoughts, I'm tired tonight and will check back in tomorrow.
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:55 pm
Ok BM beat me to it
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:51 pm
Looker replacement for Homura
Homura - No lean either way prior to her replacement out. Didn't really do much. Felt like the most likely partner for !scumRaya in the early game.
She hasn't posted anywhere onsite since 5 July, the day after her last post in this game - No reads based off her replacement out.
Looker - Townlean.
My general impression of Looker based off our previous games is he tends to get offside with a player or 2 as town,
doesn't post a whole ton of content, which tends to him getting lynched. His reads don;t tend to be particularly accurate in general.
Don;t have a game with him in which he has been scum to compare to.
His readslist style and posting tone and content feels the same as his normal town game.
Despite a measly 7 posts, throwing Looker into the "Probably town" bin at this stage, given:
- 4 other scummy slots in Clark, Raya, TTJT and BM
- Of those wagoning LL, I can most sympathise with Looker's vote and reasoning on LL in post 474 , stating LL was scum "faking his outrage".
This theory is consistent with LL's abrasive/attacking style as scum being wagoned.
[ See: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11853926 ]
- Post 637: Abrasive post that doesn't help !scumagenda
- Post 746: Reasoning for his lynch flips for information seems genuine, and feels consistent with the order of value of information would be garnered from flips.
So can see the town-motivation here.
Previous games of ours if anyone cbf:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82578
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=82564
Homura - No lean either way prior to her replacement out. Didn't really do much. Felt like the most likely partner for !scumRaya in the early game.
She hasn't posted anywhere onsite since 5 July, the day after her last post in this game - No reads based off her replacement out.
Looker - Townlean.
My general impression of Looker based off our previous games is he tends to get offside with a player or 2 as town,
doesn't post a whole ton of content, which tends to him getting lynched. His reads don;t tend to be particularly accurate in general.
Don;t have a game with him in which he has been scum to compare to.
His readslist style and posting tone and content feels the same as his normal town game.
Despite a measly 7 posts, throwing Looker into the "Probably town" bin at this stage, given:
- 4 other scummy slots in Clark, Raya, TTJT and BM
- Of those wagoning LL, I can most sympathise with Looker's vote and reasoning on LL in post 474 , stating LL was scum "faking his outrage".
This theory is consistent with LL's abrasive/attacking style as scum being wagoned.
[ See: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11853926 ]
- Post 637: Abrasive post that doesn't help !scumagenda
- Post 746: Reasoning for his lynch flips for information seems genuine, and feels consistent with the order of value of information would be garnered from flips.
So can see the town-motivation here.
Previous games of ours if anyone cbf:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82578
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=82564
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:46 pm
Battle Mage replaced Blopp
Blopp: null-scum
BM : also null-scum
Post 469 : Scummy. Scumreads me for wagon pressuring a newbie on page 1 for "piggybacking with no explanation", despute it being a page 2 vote.
Post 470: AWFUL, but not scummy reasoning to townread Clark - "no reason to defend the newbie here as scum"
As i mentioned before, !scumClark can easily pocket newbie!townBlopp here. Given BM replaced into the Blopp slot, this isn't alignment indicative on its own,
but does increase stocks in the Clar/BM scum duo.
Post 476: Analysis of Clark's post 74 feels genuine. I also didn;t like the shift in Clark's view on LL.
Seems opportunistic given the direction LL's slot was heading in, with plenty of attention on that slot.
Post 477 / : Garbage readslist pretty much, pretty much disagree with most of the reads.
Having said that, I;m not particuarly enamoured with !townBM's reading accuracy.
Post 480:
"I think an LL scum-flip should give an easy solve, although I haven't worked that through yet - will do that once I've experienced the whole game."
Dangles the LL-elimination carrot, selling it as as "easy-solve", both encouraging others onto the townLL wagon and justifying his own vote on the wagon.
Post 588:
Only 1 scumread though, and largest wagon at this point, so not going out on much of a limb. Although she hasn't given herself much room for manoerve either.
- This statement gives me town vibes, feels like its coming from a town-mindset.
Seems to assess the probability of !scumRaya's readslist from a scum-agenda point of view, reasonable conclusion.
Post 634: Scummy vibes. Feels a bit red-herring-ish in hindsight. Discusses a scenario (!scumLL) that is now known to be false.
"Lucky-scum making this argument further suggests 72-town (too much association)"
--- scum101 - appearance of being pro-town by making statements regareding player alignments/associations,
but based on theories KNOWN to be false, thus rendering ZERO information for futures days.
i.e: !scumBM knows LL is town, so talks about !scumLL scenario, which when LL is lynched, gives nothing.
Post 783: Town-vibe from this post.
Rehashing a post in which a townie calls you out as being scum is -EV for scum. It is detrimental for scum agenda.
I don;t feel !scumBM drags up a post about Quick scumreading BM, even an FPS-player like BM.
Post 955 feels like its coming from a townmindset, poking at inconsistency from TTJT.
I moonlight as a diagnosis specialist. I have diagnosed BM with a terrible affliction. It is a rare disease endemic to mafia/werewolf players known as FPS.
Yet, that nasty illness known as Fancy Play Syndrome. If he can bus 2 scum buddies even when there is ZERO need to do so, he will still do so.
I'd say BM is probs town if one of TTJT or Clark is scum.
If Raya is scum, then I would say BM scum stocks go up +++.
Killing off Quick, BM's scumread, also fits !BM FPS.
BM's progressional overall in terms of readslist seems ok.
I think his slot gets resolves through the eliminations of Clark/TTJT/Raya.
Conclusion: Null-scum
Blopp: null-scum
BM : also null-scum
Post 469 : Scummy. Scumreads me for wagon pressuring a newbie on page 1 for "piggybacking with no explanation", despute it being a page 2 vote.
Post 470: AWFUL, but not scummy reasoning to townread Clark - "no reason to defend the newbie here as scum"
As i mentioned before, !scumClark can easily pocket newbie!townBlopp here. Given BM replaced into the Blopp slot, this isn't alignment indicative on its own,
but does increase stocks in the Clar/BM scum duo.
Post 476: Analysis of Clark's post 74 feels genuine. I also didn;t like the shift in Clark's view on LL.
Seems opportunistic given the direction LL's slot was heading in, with plenty of attention on that slot.
Post 477 / : Garbage readslist pretty much, pretty much disagree with most of the reads.
Having said that, I;m not particuarly enamoured with !townBM's reading accuracy.
Post 480:
"I think an LL scum-flip should give an easy solve, although I haven't worked that through yet - will do that once I've experienced the whole game."
Dangles the LL-elimination carrot, selling it as as "easy-solve", both encouraging others onto the townLL wagon and justifying his own vote on the wagon.
Post 588:
Only 1 scumread though, and largest wagon at this point, so not going out on much of a limb. Although she hasn't given herself much room for manoerve either.
- This statement gives me town vibes, feels like its coming from a town-mindset.
Seems to assess the probability of !scumRaya's readslist from a scum-agenda point of view, reasonable conclusion.
Post 634: Scummy vibes. Feels a bit red-herring-ish in hindsight. Discusses a scenario (!scumLL) that is now known to be false.
"Lucky-scum making this argument further suggests 72-town (too much association)"
--- scum101 - appearance of being pro-town by making statements regareding player alignments/associations,
but based on theories KNOWN to be false, thus rendering ZERO information for futures days.
i.e: !scumBM knows LL is town, so talks about !scumLL scenario, which when LL is lynched, gives nothing.
Post 783: Town-vibe from this post.
Rehashing a post in which a townie calls you out as being scum is -EV for scum. It is detrimental for scum agenda.
I don;t feel !scumBM drags up a post about Quick scumreading BM, even an FPS-player like BM.
Post 955 feels like its coming from a townmindset, poking at inconsistency from TTJT.
I moonlight as a diagnosis specialist. I have diagnosed BM with a terrible affliction. It is a rare disease endemic to mafia/werewolf players known as FPS.
Yet, that nasty illness known as Fancy Play Syndrome. If he can bus 2 scum buddies even when there is ZERO need to do so, he will still do so.
I'd say BM is probs town if one of TTJT or Clark is scum.
If Raya is scum, then I would say BM scum stocks go up +++.
Killing off Quick, BM's scumread, also fits !BM FPS.
BM's progressional overall in terms of readslist seems ok.
I think his slot gets resolves through the eliminations of Clark/TTJT/Raya.
Conclusion: Null-scum
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:47 pm
I may be biased but 72 has been really aggressively pushing me and the reasoning doesnt all feel that greatIn post 943, Battle Mage wrote:jesus christ. i'm alive and all my suspects are deadand town.
initial thoughts: Jam-scum wouldn't have made that weird play yesterday around the Porkens wagon. Too conspicuous and odd for no reason.
Raya's posts at end of day had conviction and didn't leave herself open to a Porkens town-flip. Felt legit.
Must be at least 1 scum on the Porkens wagon because there was no reason not to be, therefore must be TTJT and/or Looker.
need to revisit 72offsuit as i think i basically locktowned him based on pork being scum.
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:49 pm
I think so. For wifom and to maintain a town leading position with less suspicion held on themIn post 944, ClarkBar wrote:This tough for me, and somewhat WIFOMEY (apologies for using an acronym as a verb) but would scum NK their biggest scum-read? Anybody is free to weigh in here.In post 832, Battle Mage wrote:I'm sure I'm getting NKed tonight when you flip scum anyway, but they'll lynch your obvscum buddy Quick tomorrow thanks to me!
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:50 pm
Why include yourself in the explanations....In post 946, Battle Mage wrote:it's WIFOM really, but yeah, as a general rule I probably wouldn't because it basically pins you on 2 mis-elims and discredits your reads.In post 944, ClarkBar wrote:This tough for me, and somewhat WIFOMEY (apologies for using an acronym as a verb) but would scum NK their biggest scum-read? Anybody is free to weigh in here.In post 832, Battle Mage wrote:I'm sure I'm getting NKed tonight when you flip scum anyway, but they'll lynch your obvscum buddy Quick tomorrow thanks to me!
Having said that, he suspected me too, so 3 probable explanations for the NK:
1. I killed Quick because he suspected me.
2. Someone else killed Quick to make me look bad.
3. Someone killed Quick because they thought he was a PR, or he was an SE (although little evidence of either that I saw).
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:32 am
Then convince me you are town. I have 4 scumreads, it needs to go down to 2.In post 962, Raya36 wrote:I may be biased but 72 has been really aggressively pushing me and the reasoning doesnt all feel that greatIn post 943, Battle Mage wrote:jesus christ. i'm alive and all my suspects are deadand town.
initial thoughts: Jam-scum wouldn't have made that weird play yesterday around the Porkens wagon. Too conspicuous and odd for no reason.
Raya's posts at end of day had conviction and didn't leave herself open to a Porkens town-flip. Felt legit.
Must be at least 1 scum on the Porkens wagon because there was no reason not to be, therefore must be TTJT and/or Looker.
need to revisit 72offsuit as i think i basically locktowned him based on pork being scum.
Who is scum? Why are they scum? Make it foolproof.
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:08 am
I have to disagree, with 72 and Clark scumteam, and suggest Clark + Looker instead.In post 953, TheThirteenthJT wrote:VOTE: 72offsuit
I disagree with those feeling 72 is town after that turn. I explained the reasons for the opposite Day 1.
Clark and Raya are still some of my favorites and Battle Mage is now also suspect to me.
Jamesv is weird...
No thoughts on Looker yet. Most of my thinking is still based off Homuras play which I will revisit.
Current areadlist scum to less scum.
72 confident here.
Raya
Clark
battle mage
Looker
Jamsv
I see a few potential scum pairings too.
72 and Clark or BM and Clark. I have no pairing for Raya currently.
Quick thoughts, I'm tired tonight and will check back in tomorrow.
VOTE: ClarkBar
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:06 am
Forgot tO add BM +72 scum team. You have two players juipsstifying you are town at the start of the day phase based on the flip. When in all honesty I feel that the flips only implicates you more because of the constant buddying with LL before Porkens and counterwagoning day 1. If you flip red your partner will be either BM and Clark.
I am also ok with a Clark vote here because of Day 1 play and I don't think early day 2 play has been helping my thoughts. Agrees you are town 72, tries to deflect attention to Jamsv, and agrees with my list despite 72 being my top scumread and town for them? Clark flip implicates BM for me.
Now BM as individual hasn't been giving me too many scumvibes, may be biased for my bro here. Associations a re what have him as a suspect.
Raya has been the scummiest player day 1 for me (Clark almost tied) and I need to see more from them here Day 2. At this point my advice would be to stop worrying about the pressure on you and instead helping scumhunt since most of their posts have been about defending themselves and I know I've been stuck in that pocket. This is also the biggest doubt I have reflecting their play.
I am also ok with a Clark vote here because of Day 1 play and I don't think early day 2 play has been helping my thoughts. Agrees you are town 72, tries to deflect attention to Jamsv, and agrees with my list despite 72 being my top scumread and town for them? Clark flip implicates BM for me.
Now BM as individual hasn't been giving me too many scumvibes, may be biased for my bro here. Associations a re what have him as a suspect.
Raya has been the scummiest player day 1 for me (Clark almost tied) and I need to see more from them here Day 2. At this point my advice would be to stop worrying about the pressure on you and instead helping scumhunt since most of their posts have been about defending themselves and I know I've been stuck in that pocket. This is also the biggest doubt I have reflecting their play.
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:15 am
I don't understand which words you were trying to put in my mouth. Either way, you didn't wait for my explanation before you hammered.In post 753, JamSV wrote:Okay so important question, I'm going to assume, that it is in order of scum likeliness, such that the higher percentage we have, the scummier we are. In that regards, why is Clark 0%, a perfect town read, I find it interesting given none of us have him as our strongest town read. Can we interpret it as mason buddies / scum buddies, as realistically, even if I was convinced Battle Mage was the towniest town that town has ever seen, there's still a chance something could change and I'd want to remove him, the 0% seems suspicious if we consider % by scum likeliness.Spoiler:
If we consider % instead by removing based off of scum likeliness + you liking their play style, I think the 0% on Clark and the 9% on A9offsuit makes less sense. I'd like an explanation on 72offsuit's if that's the case.
As such, instead of leaving this up to interpretation what %s represent and why you have the numbers, could you care to order us by scum likeliness?
Your assumptions are confusing me. I also think it's weird that you went from "I don't understand what Looker means" to "Looker is being purposefully 'nonsensical'" without any input from me.In post 773, JamSV wrote:I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.
A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.
Spoiler:
Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.
JamSV/RayaIn post 966, JamSV wrote:I have to disagree, with 72 and Clark scumteam, and suggest Clark + Looker instead.Spoiler:
VOTE: ClarkBar
- Flip preferences: 24% JamSV | 22% Raya | 19% Battle Mage | 18% ThirteenthJT | 9% ClarkBar | 8% 72offsuit
- Jams's imgur post shows he voteparked a town slot and has avoided suspicion all game.
- I think it's interesting that this is a newbie game, but there are like no newbies.
- That was kind of a low blow - "His reads don't tend to be particularly accurate in general". My reads are as accurate as anybody else's.
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:44 am
You had plenty of time, not to mention I was more than willing to have waited for an extra 24 hours for the day to go on, but TTJT and Clark both had intent to hammer, if you're going to have a go at somebody for not giving you time to explain, look at Clark and TTJT, I at least managed to salvage an extra page of posts for town.In post 968, Looker wrote:I don't understand which words you were trying to put in my mouth. Either way, you didn't wait for my explanation before you hammered.In post 753, JamSV wrote:Okay so important question, I'm going to assume, that it is in order of scum likeliness, such that the higher percentage we have, the scummier we are. In that regards, why is Clark 0%, a perfect town read, I find it interesting given none of us have him as our strongest town read. Can we interpret it as mason buddies / scum buddies, as realistically, even if I was convinced Battle Mage was the towniest town that town has ever seen, there's still a chance something could change and I'd want to remove him, the 0% seems suspicious if we consider % by scum likeliness.Spoiler:
If we consider % instead by removing based off of scum likeliness + you liking their play style, I think the 0% on Clark and the 9% on A9offsuit makes less sense. I'd like an explanation on 72offsuit's if that's the case.
As such, instead of leaving this up to interpretation what %s represent and why you have the numbers, could you care to order us by scum likeliness?Your assumptions are confusing me. I also think it's weird that you went from "I don't understand what Looker means" to "Looker is being purposefully 'nonsensical'" without any input from me.In post 773, JamSV wrote:I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.
A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.
Spoiler:
Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.JamSV/RayaIn post 966, JamSV wrote:I have to disagree, with 72 and Clark scumteam, and suggest Clark + Looker instead.Spoiler:
VOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: JamSV
- Flip preferences: 24% JamSV | 22% Raya | 19% Battle Mage | 18% ThirteenthJT | 9% ClarkBar | 8% 72offsuit
- Jams's imgur post shows he voteparked a town slot and has avoided suspicion all game.
- I think it's interesting that this is a newbie game, but there are like no newbies.
- That was kind of a low blow - "His reads don't tend to be particularly accurate in general". My reads are as accurate as anybody else's.
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:45 am
Would you go Raya over Jamsv?In post 968, Looker wrote:I don't understand which words you were trying to put in my mouth. Either way, you didn't wait for my explanation before you hammered.In post 753, JamSV wrote:Okay so important question, I'm going to assume, that it is in order of scum likeliness, such that the higher percentage we have, the scummier we are. In that regards, why is Clark 0%, a perfect town read, I find it interesting given none of us have him as our strongest town read. Can we interpret it as mason buddies / scum buddies, as realistically, even if I was convinced Battle Mage was the towniest town that town has ever seen, there's still a chance something could change and I'd want to remove him, the 0% seems suspicious if we consider % by scum likeliness.Spoiler:
If we consider % instead by removing based off of scum likeliness + you liking their play style, I think the 0% on Clark and the 9% on A9offsuit makes less sense. I'd like an explanation on 72offsuit's if that's the case.
As such, instead of leaving this up to interpretation what %s represent and why you have the numbers, could you care to order us by scum likeliness?Your assumptions are confusing me. I also think it's weird that you went from "I don't understand what Looker means" to "Looker is being purposefully 'nonsensical'" without any input from me.In post 773, JamSV wrote:I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.
A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.
Spoiler:
Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.JamSV/RayaIn post 966, JamSV wrote:I have to disagree, with 72 and Clark scumteam, and suggest Clark + Looker instead.Spoiler:
VOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: JamSV
- Flip preferences: 24% JamSV | 22% Raya | 19% Battle Mage | 18% ThirteenthJT | 9% ClarkBar | 8% 72offsuit
- Jams's imgur post shows he voteparked a town slot and has avoided suspicion all game.
- I think it's interesting that this is a newbie game, but there are like no newbies.
- That was kind of a low blow - "His reads don't tend to be particularly accurate in general". My reads are as accurate as anybody else's.
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:50 am
EBWOP, the game was also started to progress towards the Porkens hammer regardless. With regards to vote parking a town slot, 6 people were okay with a Porkens hammer and you think you have a valid point? The majority of us scum read him. Additionally, how on earth can you say openly that I'm putting words into your mouth, I asked for you to explain things in both, if I were putting words into your mouth I wouldn't bother. Similarly why on earth did you include my post saying I think you and Clark are more likely to be scum partners than Clark and 72. I get people hate OMGUS and such, but you including that quote literally devalued everything you said, you've literally demonstrated with it that you're voting me because I suspect you and Clark.In post 968, Looker wrote:I don't understand which words you were trying to put in my mouth. Either way, you didn't wait for my explanation before you hammered.In post 753, JamSV wrote:Okay so important question, I'm going to assume, that it is in order of scum likeliness, such that the higher percentage we have, the scummier we are. In that regards, why is Clark 0%, a perfect town read, I find it interesting given none of us have him as our strongest town read. Can we interpret it as mason buddies / scum buddies, as realistically, even if I was convinced Battle Mage was the towniest town that town has ever seen, there's still a chance something could change and I'd want to remove him, the 0% seems suspicious if we consider % by scum likeliness.Spoiler:
If we consider % instead by removing based off of scum likeliness + you liking their play style, I think the 0% on Clark and the 9% on A9offsuit makes less sense. I'd like an explanation on 72offsuit's if that's the case.
As such, instead of leaving this up to interpretation what %s represent and why you have the numbers, could you care to order us by scum likeliness?Your assumptions are confusing me. I also think it's weird that you went from "I don't understand what Looker means" to "Looker is being purposefully 'nonsensical'" without any input from me.In post 773, JamSV wrote:I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.
A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.
Spoiler:
Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.JamSV/RayaIn post 966, JamSV wrote:I have to disagree, with 72 and Clark scumteam, and suggest Clark + Looker instead.Spoiler:
VOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: JamSV
- Flip preferences: 24% JamSV | 22% Raya | 19% Battle Mage | 18% ThirteenthJT | 9% ClarkBar | 8% 72offsuit
- Jams's imgur post shows he voteparked a town slot and has avoided suspicion all game.
- I think it's interesting that this is a newbie game, but there are like no newbies.
- That was kind of a low blow - "His reads don't tend to be particularly accurate in general". My reads are as accurate as anybody else's.
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:06 am
@Looker, while we are at it, now that you're responding, why don't you actually address the issues people had with your percentage post? Similarly, why not address how the order has changed for ClarkBar and 72offsuit in your new percentage post. Additionally, what post stopped ClarkBar being 0% and took him to 9%. I can guarantee with pretty high odds, that the only reason he is no longer 0 is because people have started to suspect him. So what will you do Looker? Drop the bad cases you have against people, actually attempt with a read and explanations, or keep going balls to the walls with aggression but with no explanation or backbone? I can tell you what would be best for you and town, which would be explaining. You replaced into the game rather late, as such you've had plenty of time to read over the game, and should have one of the freshest outlooks on the game. I look forward to you being helpful for town and explaining yourself, or for you to give me more ammunition for a scum case against you.
UNVOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: Looker
UNVOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: Looker
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:20 am
Jam, keep your eye on the prize.
Clark is scum.
Looker is a distraction.
Clark is scum.
Looker is a distraction.
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:22 am
I'm not even voting for you. If you are town you are playing horribly.In post 962, Raya36 wrote:I may be biased but 72 has been really aggressively pushing me and the reasoning doesnt all feel that greatIn post 943, Battle Mage wrote:jesus christ. i'm alive and all my suspects are deadand town.
initial thoughts: Jam-scum wouldn't have made that weird play yesterday around the Porkens wagon. Too conspicuous and odd for no reason.
Raya's posts at end of day had conviction and didn't leave herself open to a Porkens town-flip. Felt legit.
Must be at least 1 scum on the Porkens wagon because there was no reason not to be, therefore must be TTJT and/or Looker.
need to revisit 72offsuit as i think i basically locktowned him based on pork being scum.