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In post 655, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 653, morph the cat wrote:

In post 652, morph the cat wrote:Also, Luke, you're not used to the "Morph finds a new shiny and decides to polish it" thing and we get that, but we're not gonna stop.

More to the point, you're used to both heads of this hydra but NOT the combined mindmeld shit that happens when we keep our arms and legs inside the zebra at all times while the ride is in motion.

I felt like me and ffery were able to find each other pretty nicely in the Guardians of the Galaxy game to the point that it felt like we were almost a masonry (even with out own chats in spoiler tags). But the progression we had to get there felt genuine, and my immediate reaction is that your collective opening interactions with me this game felt different from that one, and closer to your (Cabd's) opening interactions with me on that Newbie game.

I am not locking you guys as scum, I am just wary of you right now.

First post of Luke I can actually remember having a reaction to, but this feels like a pretty genuine "how I feel" type of a post.

Unlikely to come from scum

oh nice, I have stuff to look forward to in my catchup?

In post 938, VFP wrote:

In post 935, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:also i've never coasted thru a multiball game in my life

Are you coasting now?

In post 951, Vecna wrote:oh nice, I have stuff to look forward to in my catchup?

it gets spicy af no spoilers

In post 660, Kakeguri Addicts wrote:We've got both heads on board for this post, we've talked a bit and have some new takes to share. As a reminder, so far it's only been Yumeko posting, this is a joint-effort post where I've given Mary a run-down of what's been happening and they've lightly skimmed some recent content.

Yumeko thinks the game has progressed too fast to where it would usually be hard to get reads, but thinks that, surprisingly, there is still a lot to gleam from this day phase, even though usually this would be a situation where there wouldn't be much to go off of due to an elimination being decided so early.
Mary thinks that townreads are being tossed out too easily considering the game has been mostly centered around scumreads, and believes that tomorrow will be a lot more informative than today can be based on who people push.
Mary reads that are in addition to Yumeko's: Unwnd as towny, Echolocation as slight towny. She thinks that Unwnd feels too comfortable to be mafia right now, and doesn't have much experience with Echolocation to back up the read.
Mary thinks that Luke's recent take, which he essentially says: Morph is not town because he (luke) isn't townreading them yet - is very questionable.

Spoiler: gif

Kazyan wrote:Okay, I've given myself time to cool off from my Day 1 rage. Sorry about that, folks. ISO skims and subsequent readslist are coming soon.

We are confused as to what you are talking about.

mary has many many takes I do not like

In post 666, ManateeDude wrote:unless you are specifically of the belief that T3 is werewolf you're ignoring what I've said

Im also very confused about what your actual argument is...

In post 673, Kazyan wrote:

Townlean

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unwnd (feels like previous multiball instead of Mini Normal 2187)
Pooky (behavior feels more 'open' like in the newbie Mars game I had with him instead of the last multiball)
Kakeguri Addicts (tries to figure out how others think instead of just push an agenda)
kdowns (+town for noticing how pooky is acting, -town for claiming miller, but I want to believe)
Lukewarm (gut read; something about his communication style and comparisons to previous events)

Null

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ManateeDude (Doesn't look like a pocketing attempt? Takes are weird but ok.)

not enough impression to distinguish these people yet

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Everyone else

I'm Particularly Confused About

:
morph the cat
Vaxkiller (acting scummy, but I have Opinions)
Whemestar (I can't tell if this is bad-take town or bad-take scum)

Scumlean

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Celestial Powerhouse (gut read)
The Resistance (weird pattern of questioning about things that don't really matter)
VFP (pls post)

Wow such scum

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Dannflor

While I dont particularly agree on the outcomes, the reasoning seems pretty unfaked? It even hints at actual note-taking.

In post 679, morph the cat wrote:I like Kakeguri a lot. I'm slightly wary because I have no idea who the Yumeko head is, but I just really like their content so far.

hmmmm

In post 682, petapan wrote:just realized that based on the setup info ceph absolutely could have created a werewolf miller that is mafia-aligned, lmao

guess i have to actually read the miller claims on play, that's so annoying though

Weirdly over-informed somehow?

he's a scumbag

In post 699, petapan wrote:unwnd
Kazyan

lukewarm
taco hemingway
the resistance (kinda shocked this ended up here)
pooky
Vecna
manateegal
uncle shelby
morph
VFP
kdowns
vaxkiller
kakegurui addicts

WhemeStar
Reiuji Utsuho
celestial powerhouse

Echolocation
Anya
T3

Since you seem to have a lot of similar thoughts, let me throw some random questions; Why pooky there? Why celestial so low? Are vax/reiuji/echo based on inactivity or content?

In post 709, unwnd wrote:Vecna/Kazyan aren't the same people but still remain in the same grouping to me. Vecna's words were very passionless and didn't resonate with me at all. Makes you wonder why he even bothered. There's fervor with Kaz but I don't think they've grasped on what they want to do.

Ouch

In post 944, Vecna wrote:

In post 621, Kakeguri Addicts wrote:

In post 612, WhemeStar wrote:

In post 609, Kakeguri Addicts wrote:

In post 584, Dannflor wrote:it is in fact best practice in a large to just eliminate the claimed VT

Your slot claimed loyal babysitter and then threw a tantrum when they perceived their claim as being dismantled.

Hey want to know a secret?

Not really. I very much doubt my mind will be changed on this point. Dannflor has to go, preferably sooner rather than later.

I don't care if people want to extend the day to talk a bit more, but people voting elsewhere and starting other wagons are concerning.

Why is that concerning?

I dont think you've made a strong enough argument for scum Dann to be stating that. Like at all.

Bby the time we even had a chance to post in the thread—which was really only a few hours after it opened, mind you—T3 had already slipped up bad enough that they were the designated elimination, I seem to recall a vocal majority saying something along the lines of unvoting to let the day play out more, but the elimination was set, at one point they were at 10/12 votes needed to eliminate. That is to say, there was really no point for us to go in depth on why T3/Dann is scum when everyone had already seemed to figure it out.

You look and see T3 claim Loyal Babysitter, get shut down by another player who claims the mod would not add that role, then have a fit and replace out because their fake claim was dismantled. You go back and look at that sequence of events, and you look at the replace out, and you say that all of it was a "joke", and that Dannflor can be town, and that we need to discuss this more.

The counter-argument for T3 being scum is that his Loyal Babysitter claim which he made when he had 8/12 votes (and intent for a 9th) to eliminate him was a joke he made while town, but that he was still peeved enough to both self vote and replace out.

Yeah... Dann's putting in effort here, but as soon as I saw the above play out, I knew they had to be the elimination today. I was under the impression that the day was even mostly over by the time we had arrived in the thread. That's why it's concerning to see people like you who don't realize that Dannflor is 100% the elimination today, and attempting to start wagons elsewhere. And even thinking that we 'need' to case Dannflor here. I just talked about this for the three-headed deity hydra: It's a failure to think critically and you're not comprehending that game-state. This isn't a smoking bullet for alignment but it does tend to point towards anti-town members, in my experience.

Also, you went right over our 635 in your catchup, where we do indeed talk about why Dannflor needed to be the elimination. we mostly said the same thing we've said here.

In post 962, Kakeguri Addicts wrote:you're not comprehending that game-state. This isn't a smoking bullet for alignment but it does tend to point towards anti-town members, in my experience.

lol what

The game-state where the elimination is functionally already decided and people are only holding off on the elimination in order to let other people post.

Or do you disagree that this is what happened?

In post 954, Vecna wrote:

In post 660, Kakeguri Addicts wrote:We've got both heads on board for this post, we've talked a bit and have some new takes to share. As a reminder, so far it's only been Yumeko posting, this is a joint-effort post where I've given Mary a run-down of what's been happening and they've lightly skimmed some recent content.

Yumeko thinks the game has progressed too fast to where it would usually be hard to get reads, but thinks that, surprisingly, there is still a lot to gleam from this day phase, even though usually this would be a situation where there wouldn't be much to go off of due to an elimination being decided so early.
Mary thinks that townreads are being tossed out too easily considering the game has been mostly centered around scumreads, and believes that tomorrow will be a lot more informative than today can be based on who people push.
Mary reads that are in addition to Yumeko's: Unwnd as towny, Echolocation as slight towny. She thinks that Unwnd feels too comfortable to be mafia right now, and doesn't have much experience with Echolocation to back up the read.
Mary thinks that Luke's recent take, which he essentially says: Morph is not town because he (luke) isn't townreading them yet - is very questionable.

Spoiler: gif

Kazyan wrote:Okay, I've given myself time to cool off from my Day 1 rage. Sorry about that, folks. ISO skims and subsequent readslist are coming soon.

We are confused as to what you are talking about.

mary has many many takes I do not like

Such as?

I dont think its a set-in-stone elimination whatsoever.

I should probably reread all the T3 shit with some more attention.

So your reasoning is that T3 used their mod-provided fakeclaim and got upset when people called bullshit instead of accepting it as canon?

(also, stop dying website)

In post 965, Kakeguri Addicts wrote:

In post 954, Vecna wrote:

In post 660, Kakeguri Addicts wrote:We've got both heads on board for this post, we've talked a bit and have some new takes to share. As a reminder, so far it's only been Yumeko posting, this is a joint-effort post where I've given Mary a run-down of what's been happening and they've lightly skimmed some recent content.

Yumeko thinks the game has progressed too fast to where it would usually be hard to get reads, but thinks that, surprisingly, there is still a lot to gleam from this day phase, even though usually this would be a situation where there wouldn't be much to go off of due to an elimination being decided so early.
Mary thinks that townreads are being tossed out too easily considering the game has been mostly centered around scumreads, and believes that tomorrow will be a lot more informative than today can be based on who people push.
Mary reads that are in addition to Yumeko's: Unwnd as towny, Echolocation as slight towny. She thinks that Unwnd feels too comfortable to be mafia right now, and doesn't have much experience with Echolocation to back up the read.
Mary thinks that Luke's recent take, which he essentially says: Morph is not town because he (luke) isn't townreading them yet - is very questionable.

Spoiler: gif

Kazyan wrote:Okay, I've given myself time to cool off from my Day 1 rage. Sorry about that, folks. ISO skims and subsequent readslist are coming soon.

We are confused as to what you are talking about.

mary has many many takes I do not like

Such as?

The too many townreading one, that the game has centered around scumreads, and the luke take being questionable.

Also, why make mention of echo and then state they have no experience to back it up?

Vecna wrote:I dont think its a set-in-stone elimination whatsoever.

You would be wrong. And I never said it was a mod-provided fakeclaim.

Here is the sequence of events as I understand them:

-T3 "Slips" (I don't think it was a real slip, but it was scummy and got the ball rolling)
-T3 gets run up to E-2, which then cools down to E-4
-T3 claims Loyal Babysitter while under pressure
-Morph claims that they talked with the mod and Loyal Babysitter wouldn't be a role in this game
-The mod comes in and claims that no information not in signups was given out
-It becomes clear that people aren't going to unvote solely based off of T3's claim
-T3 claims this is unfair, self-votes, and requests replacement
-Dannflor replaces in and claims VT... which may have been perceived as necessary due to the previous claim not getting them out of hot water at all, and maybe thinking that the mod somehow confirmed that loyal babysitter wouldn't be a role

In post 720, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:imagine trying to pretend to be the malefactor to avoid the nightkill

wild

In post 740, Echolocation wrote:

In post 738, unwnd wrote:

In post 729, Echolocation wrote:I have not read this game beyond the early game and then some skimming.

If you ever have had a game to scumread me unwnd, this is it.

Ok I scumread you what happens next

Push me and wagon me.

I really hope this is going somewhere pooky. You raised all these anticipationary (is that a word?) feelings, but im still completely flacid at this point

In post 967, Vecna wrote:The too many townreading one, that the game has centered around scumreads, and the luke take being questionable.

You disagree with the first two because you (incorrectly) think that Dannflor hasn't been the designated elimination target since post early 200's. See above.

In post 967, Vecna wrote:Also, why make mention of echo and then state they have no experience to back it up?

She is not putting too much weight on the read.

In post 964, Kakeguri Addicts wrote:The game-state where the elimination is functionally already decided and people are only holding off on the elimination in order to let other people post.

Or do you disagree that this is what happened?

I disagree about your conclusion.

In post 763, Echolocation wrote:

In post 759, unwnd wrote:I don't even know who I am anymore

So disassociated from this life

All I see is the wool pulled over my eyes...

Unwnd you have a PROBLEM AND I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU.

THIS IS ME SCUM CLAIMING TO YOU.

I AM SCREAMING IT FROM THE ROOFTOP.

wtf is this shit....what is the point

they're flirting with each other

In post 971, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 964, Kakeguri Addicts wrote:The game-state where the elimination is functionally already decided and people are only holding off on the elimination in order to let other people post.

Or do you disagree that this is what happened?

I disagree about your conclusion.

OK.

I think that players who show evidence that they're not critically considering information, but are instead glossing over things, are more likely than average (generally 1 in 4.25) to be non-town.
This is because players who are not thinking critically are instead either blending in and don't want to make the effort to consider everything, or they're demotivated (possibly and often due to alignment, and usually of the non-town variety), they simply don't understand, or they're simply lazy.

From my point of view, it's easy for an anti-town player to see that the game hasn't eliminated Dannflor yet and assume that we're still sort of in an rvs phase of the game (237). Or to come up with opinion that don't really make sense to somebody who understands that Dannflor needs to go today (619, 624, 662). Or to still think that Dannflor is being voted because T3 "slipped" (292, 656, most posts made by The Resistance).