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Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:49 am**

VOTE: Vulture

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:52 am**

Noraa and I could have killed someone together instead of bussing. That’s dumb.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:55 am**

In post 928, Vulture wrote:Easier with retrospect to go back over things, reviewing Norwee now.

Looking over it now:

- The jump that Norwee makes opening the day thinking I'm town and siding with me more to then going back and picking at my thoughts and posts is gross. Like, there's not a real... progression? I guess the progression is supposed to be 'I think Noraa sounds very towny' but clearly he saw something he liked in my starting posts, and posts before, and then suddenly he has a new perspective which is like "I hate this, and I hate that, and you had a plan this is gross." But I don't know why he didn't have these thoughts before, I guess? Like if you dislike someone with that much vitriol you should notice before and not after.

- I think their interaction is pretty bare looking over it. Noraa isn't really trying to get Norwee's thoughts on anything that matters, because she's asking him "what would you be doing here if you were scum?" Which... sure, you can meta that question and go back and review his games, but 1) I don't think Noraa would do that, frankly and 2) she's not actually asking him about his thoughts on the game we are playing -now-, or his actions, or why he did this or that. It's a pretty fluffy exchange that doesn't actually implicate any of Norwee's actions but it makes it look like they're trying to do something.

- And then he tries to rush the day to end, I guess assuming that TA hammers me over Noraa given past posts? Idk. This is a dumb point but hey ~whatever I've got~.

Spoiler:
In post 737, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm not gonna vote, but i do lean more on the side of Vulture being town here than Noraa.

In post 739, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 738, Noraa wrote:I could probably get a TR from norwee more easily by SRing him.
Why?

In post 742, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 741, Tamora's Angel wrote:
In post 737, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm not gonna vote, but i do lean more on the side of Vulture being town here than Noraa.
I feel the same strategically but disagree with the conclusion.

I'd like to hear STD chime in.
You’re gonna have to explain what that means champ.

In post 745, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I already said i'm not voting yet.

In post 747, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 746, Noraa wrote:Norwee, lets say your holding a red role pm, what would you be doing right now?
Umm.
Idk, that depends on some other factors. Such as who i would be scum with.
But if we're talking standard procedure then i just try to find some good miselim option and push there.

In post 749, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 748, Noraa wrote:Behavior and vibe wise what do you do
How would i know that? And why do you need to know?

In post 751, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 750, Noraa wrote:ok lets say its elo and theres a townie who's been waffley on you slot. You could get their vote or you could make them a mislim. What do you do and why?
Again, i think the context matters.
But i guess i'm a bit more pockety as scum so try to get them on my side maybe.

In post 753, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I mean i'm not a frigging genius when it comes to playing as scum, most of the time i'd be happy with myself if i could do just the basics without being seen straight through.
Anyway what was the point in that? Did it help you read me somehow?

In post 759, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Fuck, i’m doubting myself so much now.

In post 819, NorwegianboyEE wrote:STD why did you vote.

In post 832, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Noraa what do you think i should do here.

In post 835, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Idk, i feel like Noraa sounds really townie in these last pages.

In post 836, NorwegianboyEE wrote:STD voting and unvoting is also really strange and i kinda feel like town wouldn't do that? Cus i don't see the point.

In post 837, NorwegianboyEE wrote:So if TA wants to bank on STD/Vulture i might be fine with that i think.

In post 838, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I feel like i wanna vote Vulture because there isn't much point in waiting anymore. If i do and there is no hammer then that should at least confirm that scum cannot be TA and from my POV it has to be Vulture/STD. (and possibly Noraa/me from TA's POV.)

In post 839, NorwegianboyEE wrote:VOTE: Vulture

In post 840, NorwegianboyEE wrote:TA?

In post 853, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If TA was scum with Noraa i’m going to cry.

In post 892, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 858, Vulture wrote:Why wouldn't I just bus. Zzz.

Whoever's the town btwn Norwee and Tamora, nice throw.
Don't like this Lamist.

In post 893, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 868, Vulture wrote:Like clearly everyone here wanted/was amicable to kill StD. Why do I go against the grain and force something infinitely harder for myself. Please, tell me.

p-edit: ...I mean, Norwee thought I was townie and aligned with my thoughts, yes? I can go back and quote the posts where he did that. Pocketing is kind of the thing I 'do' as scum. Why wouldn't I try to convince Norwee instead of doing this, exactly?
I mean the answer is pretty obvious? Sure it would be better for you to argue for killing STD, but that assumes he isn't on your team. Which is literally what Noraa has been saying.

In post 895, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 881, Vulture wrote:Also, regarding the accidental hammer:

1) You pushed Dorsey on some pretty bad reasons.
2) You hammered; I'm asserting that you knew about it and tried to play it off.

Not really a bad reason, honestly, to call someone scum.
Not a bad reason, no.
Which explains why they were the likely designated mislim for today.

In post 896, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Vulture voted Noraa pretty early into the day, which i don't like for several reasons:

- It shows that they already had an plan in motion.
- There was very little assessing done before placing their vote, which i don't feel like is a town mindset to have for ElO.

In post 909, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Not to rush you, but this game does have a deadline.

This was just a page ago but here’s my thoughts on Norwee’s play.

It’s also like, pretty obvious that it wasn’t “kill both Noraa and Vulture” but “Protect and call Noraa townie and kill Vulture” which says about all it needs to.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:55 am**

@Dragons if you need anything else from me or what have you I’ll be around at some point but I’ve said what I think so yeah.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:01 am**

In post 952, Vulture wrote:It’s also like, pretty obvious that it wasn’t “kill both Noraa and Vulture” but “Protect and call Noraa townie and kill Vulture” which says about all it needs to.

It makes little sense for me to play the way i have if i was scum here.
You're telling me that i as scum chose to hard defend my buddy when it would have been an free win to just busskill Noraa at that point?

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:02 am**

You bussed Noraa and now you're coming up with an easy narrative to seal the victory for yourself here.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:03 am**

In post 954, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 952, Vulture wrote:It’s also like, pretty obvious that it wasn’t “kill both Noraa and Vulture” but “Protect and call Noraa townie and kill Vulture” which says about all it needs to.
It makes little sense for me to play the way i have if i was scum here.
You're telling me that i as scum chose to hard defend my buddy when it would have been an free win to just busskill Noraa at that point?

...this makes no sense and we both know it.

Yes you tried to defend Noraa and kill me for a win yesterday.

You’re accusing me of hardbussing my buddy when it would have been a free win to just kill someone yesterday?

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:04 am**

You have no rebuttal to my points about you and Noraa’s interaction and my analysis speaks for itself, back to work.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:10 am**

In post 957, Vulture wrote:You have no rebuttal to my points about you and Noraa’s interaction and my analysis speaks for itself, back to work.

Why are you telling me to get back to work and that i have no rebuttals? That tone is really scummy.
I'm bringing up that Noraa was bussed because from my POV that is the only possible explanation here. And if STD was mafia then we would have basically lost already cus he just gonna hammer.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:13 am**

STD, you've already said you think i've done things i wouldn't do as scum in this game.
Ask yourself why i would choose to make the most shit play possible in ElO assuming this Noraa/Norwee world that Vulture is trying to sell you here. I literally wouldn't. I play much better than this as scum.
Unfortunately i put my trust in the wrong person yesterday, but Noraa's genuine tone is really persuasive and i didn't like Vultures tone and posts yesterday, but it seems i was right on that at least.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:14 am**

Though you could say i wasn't wrong because either of the two would be right.
It was S+S.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:15 am**

I'm also asking myself if Noraa's weird questioning aimed at me was intended to try to further this narrative from Vulture/Noraa somehow, because it was really odd when looking back on it.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:16 am**

At least i was right to trust TA. I'm mostly happy with my reads in this game.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:21 am**

In post 947, Vulture wrote:Dragons didn’t hammer me so Dragons town.

Although this is true.

Vulture is just confirmed scum then.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:22 am**

I still had some slight doubts it could be STD and we were just fooling around. But no, well played Vulture.
Your scum game has gotten pretty good.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:36 am**

After all, Noraa didn’t look too good with the hammer back in day 1, and with their ensuing play to distance from Vulture.
Like, you’ve really outdone yourself as scum this time Ydrasse.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:09 am**

oh good

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:11 am**

i'll get to this when i have the spoon for it but it may be a little bit sorry

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:44 am**

STD , since you're here.
Could you say something that's on your mind so i know where you're at?

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:47 am**

Just talk to me. I don't want another day where TA says nothing and just votes.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:47 am**

i'm like 90% norwee and 10% vulture

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:50 am**

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:53 am**

all vulture had to do was wait or slap a vote down on me or you if they were scum, they didn't have to bus

i think it's a weird strat if scum but i'm also wary of ydrasse so i'm not discounting it outright

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:57 am**

I’m a townie birdie this game.

In all reality, Noraa and I together would have just brute forced a win yesterday rather than going the long route. Also our interactions are pretty uh... not teamed IMO, especially the questioning pre-redtea.

Posted: **Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:59 am**

In post 720, Vulture wrote:I feel like shit right now ‘cause I’m sick, dwelling on Noraa’s redtea defense as TMI or something and will come back with a conclusion on if I think that or not later. Makes it way more annoying when they outright say “why would I defend redtea as scum like this”. Wifom sucks.

Back to bed for me.

Ydrasse's post here reads as if they've made their mind up from before the day. I also think Noraa's and Vulture's banter after Redtea was hammered was really unnecessary. It makes perfect sense for it to have been an long-planned buss.

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