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i don't really care about the mechanical arguments for prism being scum, because i am one of those mods that consistently puts nonsense into my setups to fuck with setup specc so i am naturally not willing to policy someone for an ascetic claim on d1 just because we apparently also have a mailman

ari, is there anything to elaborate on on the dayplay aspect of things for prism-scum?

Ari wrote multiple paragraphs about prism's day play

God is it actually prism/skitter?

What a world if so

well maybe i didn't find those paragraphs that convincing DWLEE

ik it's stupid saying that while voting prism but like lole

the tldr of dayplay prism mafia is that she is playing to be townread and not playing to catch mafia.

In post 953, Datisi wrote:well maybe i didn't find those paragraphs that convincing DWLEE

ik it's stupid saying that while voting prism but like lole

Well I thought the words were pretty smart

In post 945, Aristeia wrote:that's why her initial kneejerk reaction was to hardpush me as mafia who was headhunting her etc by making up such a claim. I don't think I'm nearly creative enough to make up such a role to target her because I'm not a very bright person.

I am unsure exactly why she switched tack later on in the day - I believe she thinks maybe it is difficult to flip me or perhaps I would leave her alone if she townreads me and uses AtE.

This is not even an accurate timeline.

My first instinct was the same as most of the table's in thinking it town. 104, 115, 145. I spent a good time thinking about the possibility you were head-hunting, and realized it was viable. The switch flips when you post 152 and 155, which I felt were performative. I was keenly aware you were not voting me and suspected you were hoping the mechanics would carry it through for you while you posted tonal bullshit along the lines of "but I just don't knoooooow >.<". Further thought on 155 and why I disliked it yields 167 and a vote. We then fight over my dislike of 155 and I start calling for a gladiate even as you refuse to vote me for dayplay despite my scummy dayplay. With an hour to think on it, it does not take a genius as scum to realize this is 99% suicidal. I am known to bet heavily on deft footwork as scum, though!

Also initially I thought it must have been intensely creative, then I realized you could legitimately be a Mafia Novice Mailman. I dream of mountainous.

In post 945, Aristeia wrote:On her dayplay I think she is decidedly less sharp than she usually is and it feels like she's more in anti-spew mode where she's just bantering and having fun rather than actually trying to push/hunt seriously which I know she is extremely good at.

I think she's taken this line of play as scum rather than her usual extremely strong and thread dominant style because she knows that I have certain expectations of how she plays mafia and she is trying to get townread off of indifference[yes I actually townread her when she's bored and joking I know it's stupid]

You were my strongest scumread and the bulk of the thread was spent interrogating your intent and playing very aggressively before swapping to skitter & a bit of Datisi. I got burnt out and took a more passive break and am still hesitant to dominate the thread again, but yesterday I again moved to something more proactive as we flagged.

In post 945, Aristeia wrote:The overall feeling I get from reading her play this game is that she's more interested in surviving, giving few hints about associatives and not really interested in actually pushing/killing anyone she suspects, she feels like she is browsing through a brochure for like which hat to wear.

I scumread Skitter. You wouldn't go on her. I gave my reasoning and you flopped and have refused to engage with me on it even when I flagged the disagreement and tried to press it repeatedly.

Banter mixed in with actual reads/hunting should come as no surprise to anyone who has seen me play a mafia game. Painting my posts as strictly banter is wild.

I have had a very hard time reading about 4 slots. I spent all day yesterday reading and commenting on those slots, and encouraged us to start picking votes other than skitter, even as other players looked at the last VC and thought "Yeah this is OK". This is not anti-spew and anti-associative. My play the previous 2/3 days could be. I have also repeatedly challenged you to vote me and have twice made the case that my flip is OK.

And this is sincere. Mechanically I get your argument for me being scum and I am skeptical that it is inherently self-resolving.

Briefly whiteknighting me without clear reason is nice but I still want more on other slots from Enchant.

I did spend some time yesterday wondering if my diagnosis in 766 was right, and that you are in fact as unapologetically vicious and merciless as scum as I am in preying on people Not Having a Good Time.

Still think that's right, wouldn't be shocked if it's wrong but c'est la vie. As scum I think trying to shove me through today over waiting for 7p would be a strategic mistake. If not, .

I think Ari is town fersure never lim

Shrug. Might seem nonsensical to anyone that's not-me but the towncred would be forgotten by ELO and the paranoia and recency bias that comes with it.



Forcing it through at 7p keeps the recency and would enable her to skate through 5p with relative ease, really would just depend on the partner.

If skitter is town I am happy if both myself/Aristeia go in the dunce pile if skitter is scum I am going to gently reassure Aristeia and tell her it is okay we all make mistakes from time to time

In post 917, fireisredsir wrote:why is it ridiculous? people can be logically correct and scum at the same time. you are very often. im not tryna be pedantic here i actually think this is somewhat significant since you are strongly dismissing a suspicion for something that i think is clearly invalid. so i want you to explain more in detail what your thought process is on this point

It was a statement of exasperation more than anything else

I dont have a further explanation really

In post 918, fireisredsir wrote:

In post 910, skitter30 wrote:And its just a empty case
His iso is empty
Sure yeah i agree with you

You're saying that makes him scum tho, and that's the bit you havent adequately explained: why does his iso being empty make him scum?

what made you put enchant in above null in 484? and what changed?

His very earlygame i thouhht was +townie for him (i.e. around rvs stage)
I dont feel very strongly about this anymore

@ari i guess i just dont find the mechanical reasoning very compelling? I feel like mods these days are very fond of red herrings ... ?

In post 949, Datisi wrote:there is something really interesting(?) about skitter saying i'm having nonstop existential dread or whatever when it's like, pretty known that pester people about their reads on me when i don't get them or when i feel like they shouldn't have those reads if they were town

Uh can you say this again in different words? Not sure i understand

In post 966, skitter30 wrote:

In post 949, Datisi wrote:there is something really interesting(?) about skitter saying i'm having nonstop existential dread or whatever when it's like, pretty known that pester people about their reads on me when i don't get them or when i feel like they shouldn't have those reads if they were town

Uh can you say this again in different words? Not sure i understand

i have no clue why you're saying i'm having existential dread when i was interrogating prism about her read on me

because (1) do you disagree that i was wrong about her push on me being weird and lawyery? she agreed with that (2) I ALWAYS INTERROGATE PEOPLE WHEN I FEEL THEIR READ ON ME IS SHIT

like you scumread me for this in one scumgame and then you scumread me for it in a towngame and it's like FAM that's just how i solve so what's the issue

what's the existential dread here

:>

i'm ok, i'm not actually upset about this game

i am just waiting for better reads to come to me and i am somehow circling back to thinking about voting skitt bc lol idk

It's not about your prism read in particular?
(Or even at all ...?)

Its that your overall vibe is: i hate this gaaaaaaaame

Pedit sorry dats, i can drop it :(

In post 970, skitter30 wrote:Its that your overall vibe is: i hate this gaaaaaaaame

when in our 2+ years of playing mafia together did you get the idea that i actually like this game

also, that is the vibe that i feel when i am struggling for reads. pretty sure that is the vibe i was having throughout the entirety of pyp. how is this something that you can genuinely call me scum over?

It feels different than pyp

And the hatred is stronger than normal

In post 967, Datisi wrote:(1) do you disagree that i was wrong about her push on me being weird and lawyery?

she agreed with that

Not true, I concurred that it could be considered pedantic but thought a lot of that blame could be placed at your doorstep rather than mine.