this seems like basically the WIFOMiest choice of all possible options
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:15 pm
by fireisredsir
i think the simplest thing tho is that if dann was maf they would want him to stay alive to influence things
i don't even think getting a possible point out of it is worth that loss
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:16 pm
by GuiltyLion
I'll have time to play tonight (about to get on a flight) but my gut reaction is Dann is mafia. Keep in mind mafia are trying to pick a test that's as favorable for them as possible, and also I really raised my eyes at that Dann post about Kitty being "sacrificed" by scum, felt like kinda muddying the wagon and agenda motivated. He also wasn't specific even after I prompted him on it.
But yeah will reread and discuss with yall cause kuti wasn't really inspiring either
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:16 pm
by fireisredsir
and if dann is town then they def would want to kill him
and maybe they have people they think they can associative with kuti so it's not the end of the world to sacrifice
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:17 pm
by furtiveglance
In post 951, fireisredsir wrote:i think the simplest thing tho is that if dann was maf they would want him to stay alive to influence things
i don't even think getting a possible point out of it is worth that loss
That's an interesting point. I could maybe see Dannflor being mafia if you or GuiltyLion was also mafia then, so they still have some thread influence.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:18 pm
by fireisredsir
thats probably true, they would need a strong leader left alive for it to be worth the possibility of going down 0-2
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:19 pm
by GuiltyLion
I am also not sure that Dann could have had a ton of influence if he pushed a test that failed, that would def burn towncred, so he'd be good for like one or two points max? And then it'd be hard to throw him as a test subject after that?
Idk it's wifomy
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:21 pm
by fireisredsir
ok but like isn't it better to use him to get that one or two points than to use him just to hope that people decide to bet on the wrong side of the WIFOM
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:25 pm
by furtiveglance
The flavour is pretty dark btw, we have to smoke an unconscious person with a gun!
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:27 pm
by fireisredsir
its ok as long as we shoot the robot. they're not people
In post 46, fireisredsir wrote:idk what the optimal way to play it is but i just know that town!you would be thinking about it
wouldn't scum!Ari be thinking about how town!Ari would play and how town!Ari would think about it? I don't think this is a town indicative thing
shhhh im letting her pocket me
i think its slightly town indicative. i don't think that ari's main priority as scum is to match how she'd play as town, and i don't think most people would really would have that reaction or that she would expect them to. so if it was performative it was a very directed performance
Do you believe this is due to AI programming, or a simple human instinct?
Is this going to be a game long gimmick
I'm going to be honest none of these posts or the bolded questions inside of them really feel like genuine thoughts to me. Or rather, they are very surface level questions pushed out so that you have something to say
I'm not really getting the sense you actually want the answers to any of these questions nor that you hope some productivity will spark out of them. I might be being unfair if this is a strategy you've relied on in the past but the first one especially pings me because it strikes me as highly unlikely that anyone would be able to get reasonable value out of trawling through past games of a bunch of players they are unfamiliar with
as the very first step
to getting to know them. It seems like a way to seem productive but actually avoid having to prod people about this game. Instead it would seem more natural to me if you were prodding people about this game.
granted, you are doing that too... sorta. but "how to post photos" and the "is this going to be a game long gimmick" are both questions that like don't really require an answer, or I'm not sure what value you're hoping to gain by posting them in thread
i also find the part of the fireisred's post that you latched onto like the least interesting part because it seems clearly jokey
Yes we are in RVS and you claim nothing has been pinging you as off - but that means I expect your following questions to be trying to prod people that you think are off or just trying to get people out of their comfort zone, but I feel like I'm seeing more just posts to fill space
pedit:
it is very possible your playstyle is more fluffy here and I am misreading you based off that. how would you describe how you're trying to play this early game?
Probably one of the posts you could successfully deduce Dannflor was mafia from. When you project so much rationality into an emotional and posty player like Kuti, you probably have bad intentions while floofing up an ineffective way of looking at an alignment.
That tone though, impressive.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:33 pm
by furtiveglance
In post 961, Vivax wrote:Feels like this pick is aimed at me for this post
In post 46, fireisredsir wrote:idk what the optimal way to play it is but i just know that town!you would be thinking about it
wouldn't scum!Ari be thinking about how town!Ari would play and how town!Ari would think about it? I don't think this is a town indicative thing
shhhh im letting her pocket me
i think its slightly town indicative. i don't think that ari's main priority as scum is to match how she'd play as town, and i don't think most people would really would have that reaction or that she would expect them to. so if it was performative it was a very directed performance
Do you believe this is due to AI programming, or a simple human instinct?
Is this going to be a game long gimmick
I'm going to be honest none of these posts or the bolded questions inside of them really feel like genuine thoughts to me. Or rather, they are very surface level questions pushed out so that you have something to say
I'm not really getting the sense you actually want the answers to any of these questions nor that you hope some productivity will spark out of them. I might be being unfair if this is a strategy you've relied on in the past but the first one especially pings me because it strikes me as highly unlikely that anyone would be able to get reasonable value out of trawling through past games of a bunch of players they are unfamiliar with
as the very first step
to getting to know them. It seems like a way to seem productive but actually avoid having to prod people about this game. Instead it would seem more natural to me if you were prodding people about this game.
granted, you are doing that too... sorta. but "how to post photos" and the "is this going to be a game long gimmick" are both questions that like don't really require an answer, or I'm not sure what value you're hoping to gain by posting them in thread
i also find the part of the fireisred's post that you latched onto like the least interesting part because it seems clearly jokey
Yes we are in RVS and you claim nothing has been pinging you as off - but that means I expect your following questions to be trying to prod people that you think are off or just trying to get people out of their comfort zone, but I feel like I'm seeing more just posts to fill space
pedit:
it is very possible your playstyle is more fluffy here and I am misreading you based off that. how would you describe how you're trying to play this early game?
Probably one of the posts you could successfully deduce Dannflor was mafia from. When you project so much rationality into an emotional and posty player like Kuti, you probably have bad intentions while floofing up an ineffective way of looking at an alignment.
That tone though, impressive.
Mafia tailored this test for you, did they? How kind
In post 46, fireisredsir wrote:idk what the optimal way to play it is but i just know that town!you would be thinking about it
wouldn't scum!Ari be thinking about how town!Ari would play and how town!Ari would think about it? I don't think this is a town indicative thing
shhhh im letting her pocket me
i think its slightly town indicative. i don't think that ari's main priority as scum is to match how she'd play as town, and i don't think most people would really would have that reaction or that she would expect them to. so if it was performative it was a very directed performance
Do you believe this is due to AI programming, or a simple human instinct?
Is this going to be a game long gimmick
I'm going to be honest none of these posts or the bolded questions inside of them really feel like genuine thoughts to me. Or rather, they are very surface level questions pushed out so that you have something to say
I'm not really getting the sense you actually want the answers to any of these questions nor that you hope some productivity will spark out of them. I might be being unfair if this is a strategy you've relied on in the past but the first one especially pings me because it strikes me as highly unlikely that anyone would be able to get reasonable value out of trawling through past games of a bunch of players they are unfamiliar with
as the very first step
to getting to know them. It seems like a way to seem productive but actually avoid having to prod people about this game. Instead it would seem more natural to me if you were prodding people about this game.
granted, you are doing that too... sorta. but "how to post photos" and the "is this going to be a game long gimmick" are both questions that like don't really require an answer, or I'm not sure what value you're hoping to gain by posting them in thread
i also find the part of the fireisred's post that you latched onto like the least interesting part because it seems clearly jokey
Yes we are in RVS and you claim nothing has been pinging you as off - but that means I expect your following questions to be trying to prod people that you think are off or just trying to get people out of their comfort zone, but I feel like I'm seeing more just posts to fill space
pedit:
it is very possible your playstyle is more fluffy here and I am misreading you based off that. how would you describe how you're trying to play this early game?
Probably one of the posts you could successfully deduce Dannflor was mafia from. When you project so much rationality into an emotional and posty player like Kuti, you probably have bad intentions while floofing up an ineffective way of looking at an alignment.
That tone though, impressive.
Mafia tailored this test for you, did they? How kind
lol I like the burn from you here. It's far from kind.
I've never scumread and push Kuti in my offsite career, but her posting style is a lot different from what I'm used to in the games I've known her to be town.
On the other hand, I get my previous concerns about Danns post dangled in front of me.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:37 pm
by furtiveglance
I don't think Fireisredsir really said this, just kind of hinted at it, but I was thinking about mafia just using the test to kill off a UTR. And it's definitely not worth it for mafia. Besides, if they did, Loki or GL were the more obvious choices. Mafia definitely think they can win this one.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:39 pm
by fireisredsir
flipping a maf d1 is actually a p huge deal, not just for the point, but bc it affects the numbers for the rest of the game
if we had flipped town d1 we would be at 6 town vs 4 maf, now we're 7v3. that's a huge difference in terms of the social control maf can have. town flip means that every day, the threshold for votes is equal to the number of town alive. maf only needs 1 town to incorrectly, and for every town that does, they have room for 1 more mafia to bus
instead we have one extra town voice and one fewer scum voice. and that effect will carry through in every future day as well
kinda makes me think it's less likely than i previously thought that maf would willingly bus d1 unless they just didn't think that far ahead
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:39 pm
by Vivax
In post 964, furtiveglance wrote:I don't think Fireisredsir really said this, just kind of hinted at it, but I was thinking about mafia just using the test to kill off a UTR. And it's definitely not worth it for mafia. Besides, if they did, Loki or GL were the more obvious choices. Mafia definitely think they can win this one.
What's UTR? Untranslated region?
Fwiw I could see Kuti mafia in this game. Will have to dwell a bit on it
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:41 pm
by fireisredsir
universal townread (or under the radar, depending on who you ask)
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:50 pm
by Vivax
Well, if I don't assume shenanigans here, I'm leaning Kuti M from tone. It's more cheerful when town. This was nervous. Tried to open a bunch of games but didn't work out save on MU.
Dannflor next
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:53 pm
by Vivax
Yeah if Dann is mafia from that ISO I'll eat a hat
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:55 pm
by furtiveglance
In post 969, Vivax wrote:Yeah if Dann is mafia from that ISO I'll eat a hat