eh. looking back, it was less then I remembered. I remembered him freaking out at my push, claiming to try to get me to stop, and then trying to guilt me for being so heartless as to push him soon after his rep in and not stopping when he claimed.
Looking back at it, it actually looks more like manipulation then actually freaking out. So :shrug:
In post 2572, Lukewarm wrote:I feel like Math's push onto Bell comes from him feeling the need to have somewhere to try to turn the discussion away from himself because I called him scum.
Instead of him actually thinking Bell is scum right now.
In post 2666, Lukewarm wrote:Frogster, is there a reason that you are purposefully avoiding a Corwin/Math vote?
I seem to remember you having them in your scum reads for a while, but since I have suggested them as a player to be wagoned to day you have voted Bella->Ceph->Johnny->Me (lol)->Dancing Puppets
In post 1107, Corwinoid wrote:Johnny, you had an earlier town read on Luke, do you still feel that way and why?
Yeah, they haven't done anything to disturb that halo on their head. You think I missed something?
Not necessarily. My notes are "Dislike Frog and Luke, feels like ~350ish is s/s [\n] JF TR Luke?" so I've just been meaning to ask about it. Something wasn't rubbing right around then, but I suspect a lot of you have a better feel for him as a player than I do.
The copy paste off of the notes.
The notes look non-useful. But also, they literally never responded to the comments about their notes. They said nothing, but also never mention anything off of their notes again.
I actually think that if they had defended their notes usage I would have felt better about this. But the non-response just felt like them hoping it would go away.
Only person listed in his lowest tier for scum in 1442 was Mala. But then also seemed annoyed that he was being scum read for lurking.
Both of those are...
fine
on their own, but taken together rub me the wrong way. Like, how can you not be understanding of those scum reads, if you think that the scummiest person in the game is someone that the only words you put towards why you scum read them was
In post 1763, Corwinoid wrote:mala who's been both low activity and low content when she is posting.
A thought that started unrelated to Corwin was thinking about the way that the scum team is apparently treating me. When pooky posted the reads list, and I apparently had 19 town reads and 0 scum reads, I realized that that meant that at some point the entire scum team decided that it was not worth it to fight the growing consensus that I am town.
Obviously, the scum team would not have thought that out the gate. Early on there were a couple of people saying that they are hesitant to town read me in general (pooky, Bella) and some people outright scum reading me (Galron, Rad, Frog).
So the scum team should have thought that there would be possible support against me at some point (unless the scum team is exactly Pooky, Bella, Galron, Rad, Frog lmao), but then at some point this game decided to abandon hope of keeping me from becoming truly consensus.
And when I read through Corwin's iso last night, I felt like I saw that when I looked at his progression on me.
I started to gather up town reads, and he started trying to poke into them with 1107/1114. Floating me as one of his only two voiced scum reads, floating me as a partner to a fairly widely scum read player, and trying to talk Johnny out of town reading me.
But then he was met with strong backlash about his comment about his notes.
And that discussion was completely and totally dropped.
The next time I show up in his iso, almost all of the other reads lists have come out showing how consensus town read I am, and then I am not a scum read in his Reads list of 1442. No comment on anything I did making him think that I was town, no interaction with me, nothing.
And when it was brought up that I was not on there, here was his response.
In post 1795, Lukewarm wrote:Aren't you the one who had me and frogster as S+S in your notes? What changed?
That was me. I'm feeling Frog even less; you've just kinda dropped off my radar right now.
He scum reads frog even harder then before, but he just stopped thinking about me.
Which did not jive for me with the fact that his earlier working theory was that we specifically looked partnered. Because if he thinks two players look partnered, and then thinks that one of them is getting even more scummy, I just don't feel like you forget about that other player. If anything, he should have been looking at me even more??
I would love to wake up to a pretty mathblade wagon.
Good night!
Spoiler: Math claiming to try to stop me, and telling me how unfun I am making the game for him
Math claiming specifically to get me to back off
In post 2850, MathBlade wrote:I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.
I’d appreciate it if you backed off. It’s way too late at night for me to do a proper defense but I think y’all are capable of reading between the lines.
Math getting upset that I do not appear to be backing off, and trying to guilt me off
In post 3689, Lukewarm wrote:Math, I doubt you continuing to engage with pooky on your own alignment will be good for anyone, and just keep flooding the thread.
That’s why I said I am catching up
I have never been / recall a single d1 Pooky elim in my decade plus on site
And in those games when I have pushed him town or scum it’s easy because someone always vetoes
Now I am going to do that
This site bleeds players because it’s popularity versus discussion
complaining about me being never elimmed is um.. not useful for anything?
I did that yesterday
And today
And tried to form a townblock
But you just spam “but math is scum”
So I have to spend 10000 posts arguing I am town against “Corwin is aggro”
Then moving the damn goal posts
Versus building a town block which is remarkably protown
Or ignore him?
Like, yes. Pooky was calling you scum.
But there was also multiple slots defending you. Off the top of my head, Me, Both heads of Dancing Puppets, OTH all made posts about stopping your wagon.
The thread did not need 10000 posts from you arguing with Pooky.
In post 3725, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:also anything you say about popularity literally has nothing to do with my alignment so it's weird that this is the tack you're going with :/
My point is that if I was scum I do attack you because you’re never elimmed
As scum it’s hella easy to fake reads
And I keep posting because I keep getting asked questions
Like strongly pushing anyone is so easy to do for cred.
I am very very good at generating towncred as scum because it’s so easy
The only problem comes in when you piss people off
I pissed people off for asking you talk to each other
I called I would be wagoned
I was right
I can’t defend myself because defense never works
So gg no re
If I push it’s always bad faith
There is literally nothing I can do that is protown
In post 3144, Bellaphant wrote:I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?
P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.
Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?
I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?
How do you figure that?
“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)
You’re not going to get me to change my read on Pooky and this is lame.
Not my goal. I know no one ever elims Pooky D1
So either A) Pooky reboots or B) Pooky is scum
By that point I know and the game will know
Fighting people on a popularity contest is dumb
Certain people no matter how much I scumread them will never be elimmed D1
In post 3144, Bellaphant wrote:I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?
P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.
Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?
I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?
How do you figure that?
“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)
You’re not going to get me to change my read on Pooky and this is lame.
Not my goal. I know no one ever elims Pooky D1
So either A) Pooky reboots or B) Pooky is scum
By that point I know and the game will know
Fighting people on a popularity contest is dumb
Certain people no matter how much I scumread them will never be elimmed D1
eh. looking back, it was less then I remembered. I remembered him freaking out at my push, claiming to try to get me to stop, and then trying to guilt me for being so heartless as to push him soon after his rep in and not stopping when he claimed.
Looking back at it, it actually looks more like manipulation then actually freaking out. So :shrug:
In post 2572, Lukewarm wrote:I feel like Math's push onto Bell comes from him feeling the need to have somewhere to try to turn the discussion away from himself because I called him scum.
Instead of him actually thinking Bell is scum right now.
In post 2666, Lukewarm wrote:Frogster, is there a reason that you are purposefully avoiding a Corwin/Math vote?
I seem to remember you having them in your scum reads for a while, but since I have suggested them as a player to be wagoned to day you have voted Bella->Ceph->Johnny->Me (lol)->Dancing Puppets
In post 1107, Corwinoid wrote:Johnny, you had an earlier town read on Luke, do you still feel that way and why?
Yeah, they haven't done anything to disturb that halo on their head. You think I missed something?
Not necessarily. My notes are "Dislike Frog and Luke, feels like ~350ish is s/s [\n] JF TR Luke?" so I've just been meaning to ask about it. Something wasn't rubbing right around then, but I suspect a lot of you have a better feel for him as a player than I do.
The copy paste off of the notes.
The notes look non-useful. But also, they literally never responded to the comments about their notes. They said nothing, but also never mention anything off of their notes again.
I actually think that if they had defended their notes usage I would have felt better about this. But the non-response just felt like them hoping it would go away.
Only person listed in his lowest tier for scum in 1442 was Mala. But then also seemed annoyed that he was being scum read for lurking.
Both of those are...
fine
on their own, but taken together rub me the wrong way. Like, how can you not be understanding of those scum reads, if you think that the scummiest person in the game is someone that the only words you put towards why you scum read them was
In post 1763, Corwinoid wrote:mala who's been both low activity and low content when she is posting.
A thought that started unrelated to Corwin was thinking about the way that the scum team is apparently treating me. When pooky posted the reads list, and I apparently had 19 town reads and 0 scum reads, I realized that that meant that at some point the entire scum team decided that it was not worth it to fight the growing consensus that I am town.
Obviously, the scum team would not have thought that out the gate. Early on there were a couple of people saying that they are hesitant to town read me in general (pooky, Bella) and some people outright scum reading me (Galron, Rad, Frog).
So the scum team should have thought that there would be possible support against me at some point (unless the scum team is exactly Pooky, Bella, Galron, Rad, Frog lmao), but then at some point this game decided to abandon hope of keeping me from becoming truly consensus.
And when I read through Corwin's iso last night, I felt like I saw that when I looked at his progression on me.
I started to gather up town reads, and he started trying to poke into them with 1107/1114. Floating me as one of his only two voiced scum reads, floating me as a partner to a fairly widely scum read player, and trying to talk Johnny out of town reading me.
But then he was met with strong backlash about his comment about his notes.
And that discussion was completely and totally dropped.
The next time I show up in his iso, almost all of the other reads lists have come out showing how consensus town read I am, and then I am not a scum read in his Reads list of 1442. No comment on anything I did making him think that I was town, no interaction with me, nothing.
And when it was brought up that I was not on there, here was his response.
In post 1795, Lukewarm wrote:Aren't you the one who had me and frogster as S+S in your notes? What changed?
That was me. I'm feeling Frog even less; you've just kinda dropped off my radar right now.
He scum reads frog even harder then before, but he just stopped thinking about me.
Which did not jive for me with the fact that his earlier working theory was that we specifically looked partnered. Because if he thinks two players look partnered, and then thinks that one of them is getting even more scummy, I just don't feel like you forget about that other player. If anything, he should have been looking at me even more??
I would love to wake up to a pretty mathblade wagon.
Good night!
Spoiler: Math claiming to try to stop me, and telling me how unfun I am making the game for him
Math claiming specifically to get me to back off
In post 2850, MathBlade wrote:I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.
I’d appreciate it if you backed off. It’s way too late at night for me to do a proper defense but I think y’all are capable of reading between the lines.
Math getting upset that I do not appear to be backing off, and trying to guilt me off
In post 3689, Lukewarm wrote:Math, I doubt you continuing to engage with pooky on your own alignment will be good for anyone, and just keep flooding the thread.
That’s why I said I am catching up
I have never been / recall a single d1 Pooky elim in my decade plus on site
And in those games when I have pushed him town or scum it’s easy because someone always vetoes
Now I am going to do that
This site bleeds players because it’s popularity versus discussion
complaining about me being never elimmed is um.. not useful for anything?
I did that yesterday
And today
And tried to form a townblock
But you just spam “but math is scum”
So I have to spend 10000 posts arguing I am town against “Corwin is aggro”
Then moving the damn goal posts
Versus building a town block which is remarkably protown
Or ignore him?
Like, yes. Pooky was calling you scum.
But there was also multiple slots defending you. Off the top of my head, Me, Both heads of Dancing Puppets, OTH all made posts about stopping your wagon.
The thread did not need 10000 posts from you arguing with Pooky.
In post 3725, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:also anything you say about popularity literally has nothing to do with my alignment so it's weird that this is the tack you're going with :/
My point is that if I was scum I do attack you because you’re never elimmed
As scum it’s hella easy to fake reads
And I keep posting because I keep getting asked questions
Like strongly pushing anyone is so easy to do for cred.
I am very very good at generating towncred as scum because it’s so easy
The only problem comes in when you piss people off
I pissed people off for asking you talk to each other
I called I would be wagoned
I was right
I can’t defend myself because defense never works
So gg no re
If I push it’s always bad faith
There is literally nothing I can do that is protown
In post 3144, Bellaphant wrote:I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?
P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.
Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?
I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?
How do you figure that?
“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)
You’re not going to get me to change my read on Pooky and this is lame.
Not my goal. I know no one ever elims Pooky D1
So either A) Pooky reboots or B) Pooky is scum
By that point I know and the game will know
Fighting people on a popularity contest is dumb
Certain people no matter how much I scumread them will never be elimmed D1
In post 3144, Bellaphant wrote:I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?
P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.
Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?
I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?
How do you figure that?
“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)
You’re not going to get me to change my read on Pooky and this is lame.
Not my goal. I know no one ever elims Pooky D1
So either A) Pooky reboots or B) Pooky is scum
By that point I know and the game will know
Fighting people on a popularity contest is dumb
Certain people no matter how much I scumread them will never be elimmed D1
you can just admit I have the cooler mathblade interactions
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:16 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
i'm going back to posting cat gifs
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:18 pm
by JohnnyFarrar
GOOD
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:29 pm
by ProfessorDrapion
In post 9718, Rad wrote:PD any good info you can give about whoever you invested N1? If you should keep that to yourself, fair enough, but I imagine you'll be high on the NK targets for N3 with this claim.
In post 9703, Lukewarm wrote:I think that this is my strongest thought. But there are a number of people I'd consider atm.
VOTE: Mislim Bait
hmmm.
Looked back at Klick, and I am conflicted on this again. From memory, it felt like it was "hard calling Math scum when math looked like he was gonna die, Day 1 so he could look good on the flip" into "oh shit, math could actually live. Abort the Bus"
In post 3018, Bellaphant wrote:I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.
This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today
VOTE: MathBlade
In post 3302, Klick wrote:I don't really think Corwin's body of work looks like scumhunting, it looks more like projecting reads into the thread to look like he's scumhunting
In post 3302, Klick wrote:I don't really think Corwin's body of work looks like scumhunting, it looks more like projecting reads into the thread to look like he's scumhunting
Hi Klick! Can you point to some post(s) that make you feel this way? I have a harder time understanding other people's reads when they're in the abstract
So I suspect I'll get ire from a number of people for this, but I'll preface this post by saying that another read-through of Corwin's ISO in a different state of mind has me townreading him.
What I originally saw was more about what I couldn't see in Corwin's posts rather than what I could see, and as such it'd be difficult to demonstrate what I was seeing with quotes. I think Corwin has a type of posting style that I'm naturally likely to read as scummy, because his posts feel crafted to me. But I can see looking at his ISO now how the posts he decides to post come from town who feels like he's saying whatever is on his mind at the time.
This is a shit answer to the actual question you've asked here! But it's what I'm thinking.
But when I looked back at when 3268 was written, the math wagon had already kinda fallen to the back ground I think?
Like, it happened in a couple phases. Me pushing for Math to die in 2400s -> 2914
{Klick making 3268 and 3302}
Then Pooky picked the cause back up in 3304
It is actually kind of a weird time for him to do that tbh.
Glad we just get to deal with the invest result today instead of actually having to solve it lmao
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:33 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
klick is town dude
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:35 pm
by Rad
I agree with Klick / Mislim Bait probably being town.
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:40 pm
by Lukewarm
It felt like mislim Bait was pushing hard to get the malcolm counter wagon to be a thing.
Math was probably a modified pr with a neighbor such as a RB’r or something like that.
I lowkey need to see how this wagon went down and I know marh was on the block d1
I wish cephrir went with his gut bc that would have helped miles
+1
Since Corwin was pushing you, it means my read on you was probably wrong and probably BBT as well.
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:33 pm
by Enchant
Dancing is mafia.
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:35 pm
by Dancing Puppets
In post 9677, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Luke I will give you one chance at redeeming yourself after whiffing on mathblade who might be the easiest scum to catch in this game
I don’t feel even remotely stupid after that flip.
Read my iso and the game. I posted a bunch of quotes yesterday to prove that your push on me was bs, so either you’re scum or you suffer from some kind of selective amnesia. Which is it?
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:13 pm
by ProfessorDrapion
The fact Math flipped wolf and Bella is almost mechanically outed wolf, I doubt Puppet is ever a wolf.
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:16 pm
by ProfessorDrapion
You know it’s funny because both Bell and Bella were in my PoE.
One flipped town and the other is gonna flip Wolf.
Wolf PoE:
Bellaphant - Almost Outed Wolf via Mechanical/Role.
T-Bone
Bell - Flipped Town
Math - Flipped Wolf
CSF
Enchant
In post 9104, Enchant wrote:Can someone say what's under spoiler, i am bad on understanding anything which have more than 50 words.
I’m saying that you’re reasoning for sr us is false. If you read those quotes, you will notice that I initially believed your IC fakeclaim and even went so far as to pm the mods about it. Why would I even bother doing that in a game with only alignment flips?
It was only then that I sussed you for your Taly vote.
