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BBmolla wrote:

↑ PokerFace wrote:I never said you knew there were masons. And you didn't try to figure out if they were scum or not in that post.

You gave an assumption that one of them had to be scum which is speculation and that's a scum tell.

Rather than trying to find the truth you planted the idea that a powerful town role could be worthless. Think you can respond better to my opinions now?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

Poker, if both masons claimed to be completely normal masons, do you think they'd both be town. Yes or no.

Assuming they weren't scum together claiming it. Yes.

↑ izakthegoomba wrote:

To clarify, this game is entirely role-based, and does not have any special mechanics.

You will only be given false information if a role specifies it.

This is why I have been trying to ask panda this

↑ PokerFace wrote:

@Red Panda,

Were you required/post restricted into posting that fluff/crumb into your first post or did you choose to do it of your own will? Perhaps I can clear something up in regards to that last line of your role PM panda "Then i have this unnecessary line in my role pm which says something like

masons and I know that guy to be pro-town

( I don't know If all normal mason role Pms look like this.)" Normal Confirmed masons (outside bastard games) usually have that line. Now to be more specific

Does Chimera have that line?

Pending on your answer to that, I may have a way to prove some of your guys alignments. That would be an ultimate high^ 5 huh Panda?

Because I figure if they both have it, then no false info exists and that would make them both town

<<goes to bed sleeptime

↑ PokerFace wrote:Assuming they weren't scum together claiming it. Yes.

...Why would there be normal masons in Worst Role Mafia? As opposed to one scum mason and one town mason actually fitting the theme of Worst Role?

↑ BBmolla wrote:

↑ PokerFace wrote:Assuming they weren't scum together claiming it. Yes.

...Why would there be normal masons in Worst Role Mafia? As opposed to one scum mason and one town mason actually fitting the theme of Worst Role?

We have been through this SO MANY TIMES.

@Saulres

I have reasoning for my obvious OMGUS vote. It's there mostly because I hadn't done a complete thorough read through on my part. (Redpanda knows what I'm talking about)

Also, my thoughts on redpanda?

Hmmmm, he seems like a pretty competant player from reading the QT. That, and he'e the only player I feel I can completely trust right now since he's my mason.

We just assume they are neighbors then. Just because they claimed masons doesn't give us grounds to lynch. "OH LOL THEY CLAIMS MASONS IN BASTARD GAME SO ONE OF THEM MUST BE SCUM"

↑ theamatuer wrote:We just assume they are neighbors then. Just because they claimed masons doesn't give us grounds to lynch. "OH LOL THEY CLAIMS MASONS IN BASTARD GAME SO ONE OF THEM MUST BE SCUM"

I didn't push they're lynch, I was attempting to find out if they were both claiming normal masons. If so that warrants a lynch on one of them.

Why this is such a hard concept to grasp is beyond me.

↑ BBmolla wrote:

↑ theamatuer wrote:We just assume they are neighbors then. Just because they claimed masons doesn't give us grounds to lynch. "OH LOL THEY CLAIMS MASONS IN BASTARD GAME SO ONE OF THEM MUST BE SCUM"

I didn't push they're lynch, I was attempting to find out if they were both claiming normal masons. If so that warrants a lynch on one of them.

Why this is such a hard concept to grasp is beyond me.

Because you're blatantly wrong.

↑ Amrun wrote:

↑ BBmolla wrote:

↑ theamatuer wrote:We just assume they are neighbors then. Just because they claimed masons doesn't give us grounds to lynch. "OH LOL THEY CLAIMS MASONS IN BASTARD GAME SO ONE OF THEM MUST BE SCUM"

I didn't push they're lynch, I was attempting to find out if they were both claiming normal masons. If so that warrants a lynch on one of them.

Why this is such a hard concept to grasp is beyond me.

Because you're blatantly wrong.

...

Why

Let me spell this out how I see it:
-Worst Role Mafia. Have yet to have anyone claim a non-Worst role.
-Masons claim.
-Having all worst role except for masons makes ZERO SENSE, meaning either:
--A. One of the masons is scum, making it a worst role.
--B. The masons have some worst role part of them so that it makes sense that they're masons and that the worst is for different reasons.

WHY

DOES

THIS

MAKE

ME

SCUM

I didn't say you being wrong made you scum. You really, really are, though.

↑ BBmolla wrote:--B. The masons have some worst role part of them so that it makes sense that they're masons and that the worst is for different reasons.

↑ Chimera wrote:I have to vote for anyone who votes me until someone else votes me or the vote is removed.

↑ RedPanda wrote:I'm not just a mason. I'm a _ _ _ _ _ _ , _ _ _ _ _ _ , _ _ _ , Mason.

So are we done with the "one of them is scum because they're both masons" argument yet?

↑ saulres wrote:

↑ BBmolla wrote:--B. The masons have some worst role part of them so that it makes sense that they're masons and that the worst is for different reasons.

↑ Chimera wrote:I have to vote for anyone who votes me until someone else votes me or the vote is removed.

↑ RedPanda wrote:I'm not just a mason. I'm a _ _ _ _ _ _ , _ _ _ _ _ _ , _ _ _ , Mason.

So are we done with the "one of them is scum because they're both masons" argument yet?

Poker says I'm scum because I said one of them is probably scum if they were normal.

I'm trying to make him realize how dumb that is.

↑ saulres wrote:

↑ BBmolla wrote:--B. The masons have some worst role part of them so that it makes sense that they're masons and that the worst is for different reasons.

↑ Chimera wrote:I have to vote for anyone who votes me until someone else votes me or the vote is removed.

↑ RedPanda wrote:I'm not just a mason. I'm a _ _ _ _ _ _ , _ _ _ _ _ _ , _ _ _ , Mason.

So are we done with the "one of them is scum because they're both masons" argument yet?

Poker says I'm scum because I said one of them is probably scum if they were normal.

I'm trying to make him realize how dumb that is.

There's always the "only scum could be so wrong" argument. He'll have to say for himself, though.

Ok, so I'm a bit suspicious of the people that called me out for my OMGUS vote.

It's part of my role so why would they bother to call me out on it? Grasping for straws maybe?

Forgot until I got the quote above. I remember Chimera claimed something, just not that, so when I saw it, it confused me.

Oh yeah, forgot that you were replacing Chimera. Are you planning to post up your long-awaited 'reads' post yet?

↑ Captain Haddock wrote:VOTE: Phillammon

Cmon people, this is a great place to vote.

(Just to clarify, in the above post, I was talking about CH not Phillammon)

I was about to say...

I'm more than slightly suspicious of Haddock and Amrun now, given they appear to be attacking me without checking the ISO as claimed, if he honestly thinks I changed my claim today. Dan appears to be well reasoned and thought out, though, so appears townie. VOTE: Captain Haddock, as this seems to be an agreeable lynch on one of my scumreads..

You DID change your claim. You said yesterday that anyone who visits you would be vanillized, but then later, after pressure, you admitted that it had a mysterious "limiter." Then today, after pressure about how it fits in balance-wise, oh wait, you're 1-shot!

Yes, I said there would be a limiter. I then claimed the limiter. We've already had this argument, and Reducto ad Absurdum is poor form. Stop it.

↑ Phillammon wrote:Yes, I said there would be a limiter. I then claimed the limiter. We've already had this argument, and Reducto ad Absurdum is poor form. Stop it.

You didn't claim the limiter FIRST. You claimed it LATER. You kept adding little bits and pieces to your claim, and that's scummy as fuck.

And please do not use Latin words if you don't know what they mean. I am not at all guilty of Reducto ad Absurdum - and there's an English equivalent, even if I was, that would have been more accessible.

Glanced over the last few pages, completely exhausted, will have to do in-depth rereading after I sleep.

↑ Agent_Ireland wrote:reasoning Haddock?

You first.

↑ Agent_Ireland wrote:

↑ Oversoul wrote:

↑ BBmolla wrote:That post seems really town to me wtf

Oversoul, if I'm town, Tierce is town, and you're town, who's scum?

I'm waiting on a few key players to post before I can comment on this.

Why not just answer the question?

VOTE: Oversoul

↑ Phillammon wrote:I was about to say...

I'm more than slightly suspicious of Haddock and Amrun now, given they appear to be attacking me without checking the ISO as claimed, if he honestly thinks I changed my claim today. Dan appears to be well reasoned and thought out, though, so appears townie. VOTE: Captain Haddock

How can you be so sure I voted you for that? You already knew you were my second choice and it's obvious I'm on my own with BB now. I'm voting you as a comprimise, not a reluctant one though...

VOTE: Captain Haddock as this seems to be an agreeable lynch on one of my scumreads

Right.

↑ Phillammon wrote:but all the same haddock doesn't jump out as me as scum either.

I'm tired of arguing against the phillammon lynch.

It also seems like I'm the only one here who thinks hes either town or thirdparty and not scum.

from the way hes been playing the game with his day 1 claim and fulldiroleclosure etc.. and how his role works I would assume more people would be able to see exactly what I'm seeing.

Dana Do you think philammons lying about his roleclaim? if you don't think hes lying Why do you think that role makes sense as a scum role?

@pokerface - I'll get back to you on that one. I asked foxace and his answer was interesting. I'm going to wait for him to catch up before I make a decision about him.

↑ RedPanda wrote:
Dana Do you think philammons lying about his roleclaim? if you don't think hes lying Why do you think that role makes sense as a scum role?

I'm not sure if he's lying, but I could see it being a scum role, seeing as scum apparently wouldn't know who targeted them, meaning that one of his partners could later run into another green goo and be vanillized himself. I don't think the claim makes him more town or less lynchable either way.