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↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ HezLucky wrote:Is anyone besides Vijay going to comment on my PereV vote?

It's a fine vote, just not a vote for scum.

what the fuck is this supposed to mean?

Means he gave a reason and voted me. Not the greatest reason, but definitely one I've never heard before. And he voted based on that reason.

That makes it a "good" vote.

But, I'm town. So, the vote is a good, but he is not voting for scum.

Does that help?

↑ Scott Brosius wrote:
I like the non-confusion theory as I feel similar not being able to get a grasp on this game. The vote on me is very weak from PV, and the initial easy wagon vote on split who he had not really mentioned previously looks bad

Vote: PeregrineV

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but you think I am "not confused" and then say I made a "very weak" vote on you, and an "easy" vote on split.
How do you reconcile my "confidence" with "very weak" and "easy" votes?

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ HezLucky wrote:Is anyone besides Vijay going to comment on my PereV vote?

It's a fine vote, just not a vote for scum.

what the fuck is this supposed to mean?

Means he gave a reason and voted me. Not the greatest reason, but definitely one I've never heard before. And he voted based on that reason.

That makes it a "good" vote.

But, I'm town. So, the vote is a good, but he is not voting for scum.

Does that help?

No. Sorry.

I will vote for Split, PV or Yates.

Okay so, here's my problem with Pere. I think that Pere is one of those players that has a tendency to come off kind of suspicious naturally. We have one completed game together in which I read him as scum the entire game. He was town and a cop. It's throwing me off here a little. I'm not big on meta, but I also know that I have a bit of a problem when I misread someone in a game wherein I doubt my ability to read them in another.

My biggest problem with Pere though is that there's really not much initiative being taken. He's asked some questions, but doesn't really seem to be trying to find out who the scum are.

For instance, he asked about my read on TML, but that's where it ended. I don't know what he thinks about TML or what he learned from my response because the interaction stopped. So, I feel like he wants to know our opinions on things, but doesn't want to get involved in the discussion except from the outside...if that makes sense.

I'd be willing to vote for him though, but I'm kind of leaning towards Pizza/Split spot. Pizza's interactions and day one looked horrible, and then Split did little more than lurk and find one contradiction and that's all. I also still hate TML's reaction to the nightkill and think it's a bit weird that she's become absent as well.

I can't get a good read on anyone right now and I'm apparently not much of a scum hunter. There are exactly two people I'd be willing to vote for today but I want to see more information come out first. TML is not one of them, Tammy.

Who are you waiting on more information from Yates?

And what do you like about TML?

↑ Tammy wrote:My biggest problem with Pere though is that there's really not much initiative being taken. He's asked some questions, but doesn't really seem to be trying to find out who the scum are.

This is exactly the type of reason that merits a vote.

Yes, but we saw the same thing in Korlash yesterday and were wrong.

Pere - You're voting for Scott. Do you really think he's scum? Who else are you suspicious of?

I re-read through TML, and if Pizza/Split is scum, she doesn't look too good.

Can we lynch a spot that's empty/waiting for replacement? I kind of want to.

Right now, I feel like scum is in Split/Pizza slot/Pere/TML

↑ Tammy wrote:Who are you waiting on more information from Yates?

Hez, Pere, Scott, and VJ

I believe our scum is in this group. I don't want to say which of these two I am most suspicious of b/c I think they have all been lazy/reactive for the most part. So, if they know people are willing to vote for them, hopefully they will take a little more initiative in actually trying to catch scum.

I was also interested in seeing who would ask me this question first. I was hoping it wouldn't be you. So now I have to try to figure out if you just happened to see my post first and reacted to it or if you have a guilty conscience.

The Usual Suspects wrote:First day on the job, you know what I learned? How to spot a murderer. Let's say you arrest three guys for the same killing. You put them all in jail overnight. The next morning, whoever's sleeping is your man. You see, if you're guilty, you know you're caught, you get some rest, you let your guard down.

LOL Yates...you have a weird way about going at things. You should probably look at the time stamps. I thought you might answer me last night because I thought you were still around.

Uh in mafia...asking people questions to evaluate them and find out who their suspects are is how you find the killers.

So, wait I'm confused. What does that quote have to do with it. Wouldn't the one asking the questions, not be the one sleeping? Huh?

↑ Tammy wrote:Okay so, here's my problem with Pere. I think that Pere is one of those players that has a tendency to come off kind of suspicious naturally. We have one completed game together in which I read him as scum the entire game. He was town and a cop. It's throwing me off here a little. I'm not big on meta, but I also know that I have a bit of a problem when I misread someone in a game wherein I doubt my ability to read them in another.

My biggest problem with Pere though is that there's really not much initiative being taken. He's asked some questions, but doesn't really seem to be trying to find out who the scum are.

For instance, he asked about my read on TML, but that's where it ended. I don't know what he thinks about TML or what he learned from my response because the interaction stopped. So, I feel like he wants to know our opinions on things, but doesn't want to get involved in the discussion except from the outside...if that makes sense.

I'd be willing to vote for him though, but I'm kind of leaning towards Pizza/Split spot. Pizza's interactions and day one looked horrible, and then Split did little more than lurk and find one contradiction and that's all. I also still hate TML's reaction to the nightkill and think it's a bit weird that she's become absent as well.

It's all true.
I'll sum it up for you.

Yates- seems town to me.
drmyshotgunHezLucky - seems scummy as shotgun, and scummy as Hez, but nobody seems to care
The Jester MattP Tammy -Didn't like MattP's incoming posts, but generally find Tammy town. I did point out that I wouldn't know scum-Tammy if she fish slapped me, so take that for what its worth
knoxZeek Scott Brosius- A lot more apathy from Scott than I expected, which is causing me to lean scum. But I liked some posts since they seemed to come form town.
PeregrineV-town
vijay2vansandani- kind of null, but kind of leaning town for weak vig thing
iStark The Mini-Librarian- similar to Scott, expected a lot more. Only found scum games on his wiki though, until Tammy pointed out a town version.
Either way, I think he may be absent from the site overall, so can;t really even question him.
Pizzadudes7splitfarvle- Pizza was a big suspect day1, and expected split to elevate this slot from scum-junk. But it never happened and now he's replacing out.

So, based on the fact my reads are mostly weak-null-scum or town, I can't really push for anything with a whole lot of gusto.
Order of lynch preference
Hez
ScottBrosisus-TML-split-Vijay
Yates
Tammy
Me.

↑ PeregrineV wrote:
The Jester MattP Tammy -Didn't like MattP's incoming posts, but generally find Tammy town. I did point out that I wouldn't know scum-Tammy if she fish slapped me, so take that for what its worth

People who make me laugh are innocent always.

Anyway I'll take another look at Dr./Hez. I haven't re-read Dr. cuz just didn't have the stomach for it. I've seen him play town similar to here, but that playstyle probably isn't hard to do no matter the alignment.

Pere (or anyone actually) - do you have any prior experience with Hez? See, the aggressive way he came into the game and talked to Korlash is something I associate with town, and his posts read genuine frustration to me as well.

I just read Dr. again. I want to vote the empty Pizza slot...can I...can I?

I'm going to...because of all the people I find suspicious, the Pizza slot seems to be at the center...

Oh and I'm not going to vote for Pere right now. Here's the thing. It's really easy to fake a case on someone, and I think scum in this situation would be more inclined to do so. We're nearing the end, right? So, why would he sit, obviously, on the sidelines when he could just as easily fake a case, but in Post 986 he's showing no more strong opinions that the rest of us. No reason to do that when he got called out for it.

↑ Tammy wrote:Oh and I'm not going to vote for Pere right now. Here's the thing. It's really easy to fake a case on someone, and I think scum in this situation would be more inclined to do so. We're nearing the end, right? So, why would he sit, obviously, on the sidelines when he could just as easily fake a case, but in Post 986 he's showing no more strong opinions that the rest of us. No reason to do that when he got called out for it.

My problem is that I basically called him out for doing exactly what you said, which is creating a case, while the rest of us were confused.

Now that I've called him out on that he has hmmed and hahed to try and show that he's confused. I don't buy it.

Hez

1.) Where's your Kanagawa wave image?

2.) What do you think of the Pizza/Split slot? Have you looked at their interaction with Ben?

↑ Tammy wrote:Hez

1.) Where's your Kanagawa wave image?

2.) What do you think of the Pizza/Split slot? Have you looked at their interaction with Ben?

1) Got rid of it out of spite - this relates to a different game.

2) I have PereV way above anyone else. I will look at it.

↑ Tammy wrote:LOL Yates...you have a weird way about going at things. You should probably look at the time stamps. I thought you might answer me last night because I thought you were still around.

Uh in mafia...asking people questions to evaluate them and find out who their suspects are is how you find the killers.

So, wait I'm confused. What does that quote have to do with it. Wouldn't the one asking the questions, not be the one sleeping? Huh?

Yeah. I looked at the timestamps. That's why I said I was hoping you wouldn't "just respond" the way you did. I wanted to see who would get antsy and want to know more about that statement because, yes, the one asking the question first is the guy not sleeping. I try different things to set up traps - especially when I have no real lead. When they are tripped, I always attempt my due diligence at discerning if it was tripped for the reasons intended.

This is one of the things that got me miffed earlier in the game. I was trying to get information out of one person and another person was answering for them. It was driving me nuts!

So your trap is to say there are two people you want to hear from, but not say who, and hope that a skittish person will ask you who thereby demonstrating that they have a guilty conscience?

Does this passive play style work for you very often? Being vague like that really doesn't put any pressure on anyone and makes you actually quite easy for the killers to ignore. If there are people you want to hear from, pressuring those people and asking them questions will probably help you with your leads a lot quicker than just saying there are a couple people you want to hear from.

It is frustrating when one person answers for another person though.

Hez why don't you vote Split? He was one of your scumreads no?

VC Coming ASAP.

↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:Hez why don't you vote Split? He was one of your scumreads no?

Its a vote I am definitely willing to make.

Problem is I am more confident with PereV and I feel like this is an important point in the game. PereV is literally teh only person in the game I haven't seen a towntell from.