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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:22 am
by Wyrd
Gammagooey wrote:wait nuwen actually knows this game exists? and hasn't shown up here to say anything.


I know people lose their concept of time while on COLLEGE WINTER BREAK WOOOOO, but this game hasn't even been up a full
work-week
, let alone a weekend. My influence on this game is going to very much be channeled through Fate. My issues with the Hydra QT are less ideological ('lil bit) and more practical: the QT is more than 350 posts, way more than any analytical mind can process without exploding or being fed summary.

I don't see any rules explitcly prohibiting the re-post of QT content, just between mod <-> player. So, here's a repost of the summary I asked for in the QT:

Nuwen wrote:"Reviewed in all aspects." - be sure to ask Reck about DOING IT LIVE a couple drinks in at rererereckoning.

We're going to assume randomization, because that's all there can be. The most severe scenarios are n-1_scum and all_town

the idea behind massclaiming is that any information shared here isn't really action-able, because it points to a source in a smaller pool of players.

if it hasn't been done yet, don't mention this qt in the game thread at all please. if reck hasn't explicitly mentioned that this qt exists, no player should either.

Nuwen wrote:w/e

I'll take cliffs notes on 25 pages. I don't care about details or quotes or posts. Maybe a sentence that summarizes how each thing between commas came to pass if you want to help me.

mod iso says the first people in this game wagoned is Pretentiousdra, and then the next wave for zoidberg, and then BT did something, wyrd enters game.


Do you see HUGE SCUM SLIPS?

Do you see Nuwen ADVOCATING A MASSCLAIM (if you're following along: I mentioned a hydra massclaim because it came up earlier in the QT, and was the only 'ping' I picked out while skimming)?

I'mma tell you what you do see: CHESSKID trying to be brazen about his scumplay, because it's
all
he knows how to do ("Chesskid and LLD wouldn't just start bussing for no reason... and then he wouldn't try to shoot his scum partner and claim vig, right?"). He's hoping that if he hells SCUMSLIPSCUMREAD FATE ABSENT AND AFRAID, the momentum will be enough to dampen any important questions.

It's funny because for all the
EXTRMELY DAMNING
things Wyrd has done in the hydra QT,
Nuwen
is the first person to do the legwork research and post snippets of the same QT. I don't even think he's trying to paraphrase convincingly, which tells us that he's not really that focused on broadcasting a SLIP. Real conviction goes the extra mile.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:24 am
by kuribo
Oh fuck no, man, I am not touching this they-said, they-said hydra bullshit with a ten foot fucking pole.

Like I trust any of the hydras enough to not be playing the fucking telephone game with the town.


honestly, it makes me just want to start lynching downward from the hydras to get them the fuck out

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:26 am
by SlumberPartyBois
FATE PLEASE READ THE QT AND ANSWER MY QUESTION

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:28 am
by SlumberPartyBois
VOTE: DGB

BOOM

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:29 am
by kuribo
nope, DGB's town until she drops that rock-solid scumtell I have on her, plus her posting level and style is her townplay


also i'm a gay mason with her

okay, I'm not, but she's still town

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:30 am
by Quilford
UNVOTE:

have at it kuribo and vollkan; with 40 pages i don't even know who to place a vote on

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:31 am
by Om of the Nom
SlumberPartyBois wrote:VOTE: DGB

BOOM

Vote Zoidy or GTFO.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:32 am
by Om of the Nom
Same goes for you Quilly.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:32 am
by Gammagooey
Wyrd wrote:
Gammagooey wrote:wait nuwen actually knows this game exists? and hasn't shown up here to say anything.


I know people lose their concept of time while on COLLEGE WINTER BREAK WOOOOO, but this game hasn't even been up a full
work-week
, let alone a weekend


Uh I've been out of college since May and had an 8:15-5 job since August sooo. boss has admittedly been out a lot and I'm decent at getting shit done early though.

actually reading posts in a sec

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:34 am
by SlumberPartyBois
oh fuck no matt you get on skype right this fucking second mister.

unvote vote wyrd

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:40 am
by zoraster
ThunderHog wrote:Now, if we want to start a P-hydra wagon - I'm in. It's true that I do have a town-lean read on him, but this entire thread would be so much more bearable were he not in it - and in a game this large I'd be willing to sacrifice a town-lean for a much better rest of the game.


VOTE: Thunderhog

Getting tired of this line of reasoning. Waaah the thread is too long. Yeah. It is. And it kind of sucks. but you don't win games by simply lynching annoying people. He set up the whole "I hate hydras" thing in his first fluffy post, then said he'd "support" a wagon he does not support as scum. DGB also is guilty of this, but I get town from her.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:40 am
by SlumberPartyBois
Wyrd wrote:besides the "lets get reads off a wagon and see reactions" bit that I THOUGHT it was, but it went way past that with the "lets gambit and say fate scumslipped and insta lynch him" and the "FATESCUM AVOIDED THE THREAD" points which are bullshit and no where near representative of my scum play.

if you originally thought it was a reactions shit, why did you still refuse to post in the qt? why was your first reaction to the wagon to try to defend yourself in thread and ignore the hydra qt which was THE ROOT OF YOUR FUCKING WAGON? do you see the gap in logic im having trouble with here? why has it taken you until after you exploded in the thread to even think about bothering to try and have a proper discussion in the qt?

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:44 am
by Quilford
Spoiler: a history of my unvotes without revotes, dedicated to: kuribo (warning: quote wall inside)
Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Micro 17 - Delayed Mafia - {Game Over!}

Quilford wrote:Okay you know what maybe I should sleep on this.

UNVOTE:



Quilford wrote:UNVOTE: because DeasWave isn't scum anymore.



Subject: Micro 17 - Delayed Mafia - {Game Over!}

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Micro 17 - Delayed Mafia - {Game Over!}

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Open 435: Great Idea Mafia (Day 4)

Quilford wrote:You know, while I want yellowbounder dead, I'm not sure I find him all that scummy.

UNVOTE:

Will do more stuff this weekend.



Subject: Otters vs. Tigers vs. Sharks - GAME OVER

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE: RedCoyote



Subject: Mini 1319: Divided Germany Mafia (Ende)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Animal Rescue: petsPick (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Open 328: Mad Social Science (2of4) (Game Over, Town wins)

Quilford wrote:Actually, I dunno.

UNVOTE:



Subject: Open 326: Pick Your Poison (Ende des Speils!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Open 328: Mad Social Science (2of4) (Game Over, Town wins)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:

Same problem with VitR re: townreads.



Subject: Newbie 1135 - Game Over! Town Wins!

Quilford wrote:Again, it's not necessarily the case. It's just reasoning that supports the existence of a doctor or jailkeeper.

Actually.

I can see Rhinox's reactions as potentially coming from a power role.

UNVOTE:



Subject: Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Open 324 - Ninja Mafia (End. No Drama, please!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:

Rereadinggggg



Subject: Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

Quilford wrote:DGB, link me to a game where you have raged at the town like this when you were town.

Crazy's case is stupid and I don't have the patience to explain why.

UNVOTE:
UNVOTE:



Subject: Bowser's Revenge! 5p Vengeful -[LOSE]-

Quilford wrote:NS

WHAT

SLIP

UNVOTE:



Subject: Newbie #1118 (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:Sigh.
UNVOTE: sanchocolates / The Tick



Subject: Anybody Awake? mafia - 5p vengeful. (GAME OVER. Mafia win.)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:
Conflicting reads on Tim.



Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:

Reconsidering Twistedspoon.



Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE: Farside

ugh



Subject: Newbie 1103: Just Another Chaotic Town (Game Over)

Quilford wrote:Forgot.

UNVOTE: FireStorm

again more stuff later sorry for triple posting etc etc



Subject: Open 301: Friends and Enemies and Enemies: Over. Town Win.

Quilford wrote:I'm pretty sure after I said Empking was 'goodposting' waaaaaay back when, and Meransiel called it 'buddying', he instantly tried to distance from me. I'm also pretty sure he's been sheeping almost all game. Plus Mask's reactions have made me unsure about voting him.

UNVOTE:



Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:
I now want a Maxous or LL lynch more than I do a farside lynch.



Subject: Newbie 1088 :: Game Over!

Quilford wrote:k

although we have massively different playstyles and opinions on the game, jedi's town

UNVOTE:



Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:D:

3 is a really, really good point

UNVOTE:

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:52 am
by DrippingGoofball
Quilford wrote:
Spoiler: a history of my unvotes without revotes, dedicated to: kuribo (warning: quote wall inside)
Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Micro 17 - Delayed Mafia - {Game Over!}

Quilford wrote:Okay you know what maybe I should sleep on this.

UNVOTE:



Quilford wrote:UNVOTE: because DeasWave isn't scum anymore.



Subject: Micro 17 - Delayed Mafia - {Game Over!}

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Micro 17 - Delayed Mafia - {Game Over!}

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Open 435: Great Idea Mafia (Day 4)

Quilford wrote:You know, while I want yellowbounder dead, I'm not sure I find him all that scummy.

UNVOTE:

Will do more stuff this weekend.



Subject: Otters vs. Tigers vs. Sharks - GAME OVER

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE: RedCoyote



Subject: Mini 1319: Divided Germany Mafia (Ende)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Animal Rescue: petsPick (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Open 328: Mad Social Science (2of4) (Game Over, Town wins)

Quilford wrote:Actually, I dunno.

UNVOTE:



Subject: Open 326: Pick Your Poison (Ende des Speils!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Open 328: Mad Social Science (2of4) (Game Over, Town wins)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:

Same problem with VitR re: townreads.



Subject: Newbie 1135 - Game Over! Town Wins!

Quilford wrote:Again, it's not necessarily the case. It's just reasoning that supports the existence of a doctor or jailkeeper.

Actually.

I can see Rhinox's reactions as potentially coming from a power role.

UNVOTE:



Subject: Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: Open 324 - Ninja Mafia (End. No Drama, please!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:

Rereadinggggg



Subject: Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

Quilford wrote:DGB, link me to a game where you have raged at the town like this when you were town.

Crazy's case is stupid and I don't have the patience to explain why.

UNVOTE:
UNVOTE:



Subject: Bowser's Revenge! 5p Vengeful -[LOSE]-

Quilford wrote:NS

WHAT

SLIP

UNVOTE:



Subject: Newbie #1118 (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:Sigh.
UNVOTE: sanchocolates / The Tick



Subject: Anybody Awake? mafia - 5p vengeful. (GAME OVER. Mafia win.)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:



Subject: OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:
Conflicting reads on Tim.



Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:

Reconsidering Twistedspoon.



Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE: Farside

ugh



Subject: Newbie 1103: Just Another Chaotic Town (Game Over)

Quilford wrote:Forgot.

UNVOTE: FireStorm

again more stuff later sorry for triple posting etc etc



Subject: Open 301: Friends and Enemies and Enemies: Over. Town Win.

Quilford wrote:I'm pretty sure after I said Empking was 'goodposting' waaaaaay back when, and Meransiel called it 'buddying', he instantly tried to distance from me. I'm also pretty sure he's been sheeping almost all game. Plus Mask's reactions have made me unsure about voting him.

UNVOTE:



Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:
I now want a Maxous or LL lynch more than I do a farside lynch.



Subject: Newbie 1088 :: Game Over!

Quilford wrote:k

although we have massively different playstyles and opinions on the game, jedi's town

UNVOTE:



Subject: Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

Quilford wrote:D:

3 is a really, really good point

UNVOTE:


We're past that, you're scum for other reasons.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:02 pm
by Quilford
yeah like 'defended p-dra' (??) for nothing (??)

or too (??) lynch-happy

or no read on kuribo or vollkan (??)

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:03 pm
by Quilford
like if you could actually qualify any of that

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:03 pm
by Quilford
let me know

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:05 pm
by dramonic
Ythan wrote:It's kind of idiotic to assume that a non-alignment-related qt would be all town.

All I remember is the third-party/third-party/town masonry from RMMMM. It was bastard, but it IS reck.
What IS more likely is that this magic neighbourhood already existed, and reck just decided that "lolz its a 5 men neighbourhood, let's dump all the hydras in it for the lolz" and spiked the randomizer. He wouldn't just pull a QT out of his ass 3 secs before the game starts.


This hilariously bad wagon on Wyrd is sad.
That said, Wyrd's hydra reads are awful. OD and SPB are
quite
scummier than kawaii and Chessderp.
We should still lynch BT/thunderhog first. They're full of scummy goodness.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:15 pm
by Wyrd
did quilford seriously just post a quote wall of every game hes voted without reasons in it

lol

I think this game is about to be broken

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:16 pm
by BT
dramonic wrote:
All I remember is the third-party/third-party/town masonry from RMMMM. It was bastard, but it IS reck.
What IS more likely is that this magic neighbourhood already existed, and reck just decided that "lolz its a 5 men neighbourhood, let's dump all the hydras in it for the lolz" and spiked the randomizer. He wouldn't just pull a QT out of his ass 3 secs before the game starts.


This hilariously bad wagon on Wyrd is sad.
That said, Wyrd's hydra reads are awful. OD and SPB are
quite
scummier than kawaii and Chessderp.
We should still lynch BT/thunderhog first. They're full of scummy goodness.

Your ISO is literally devoid of scumhunting or anything resembling effort.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:17 pm
by Quilford
BT wrote:
dramonic wrote:
All I remember is the third-party/third-party/town masonry from RMMMM. It was bastard, but it IS reck.
What IS more likely is that this magic neighbourhood already existed, and reck just decided that "lolz its a 5 men neighbourhood, let's dump all the hydras in it for the lolz" and spiked the randomizer. He wouldn't just pull a QT out of his ass 3 secs before the game starts.


This hilariously bad wagon on Wyrd is sad.
That said, Wyrd's hydra reads are awful. OD and SPB are
quite
scummier than kawaii and Chessderp.
We should still lynch BT/thunderhog first. They're full of scummy goodness.

Your ISO is literally devoid of scumhunting or anything resembling effort.

Not a scumtell.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:18 pm
by BT
He still may want to fix that.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:18 pm
by Quilford
NB: Under these circumstances

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:19 pm
by BT
And honestly this might apply to other players here (off-hand) but if he has so many reads this is really worse than that.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:20 pm
by BT
What's special about the circumstances?