↑borkjerfkin wrote:
My mistake; for whatever reason I thought it was him who was linking his own games. But still, tunneling is really obviously not a tell either way.
Who said Tunneling is a scumtell?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:31 am
by borkjerfkin
You brought it up in 968. In retrospect I see it was meant to be a random example.
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:33 am
by borkjerfkin
Ok I need to take a step back and you need to re-explain #904 because we're having a serious communication problem.
↑Slandaar wrote:So; if X is scum; Y says they think X is scum but has no case gut etc; X can't be scum?
I see.
Okay, I'm done with this horse shit. You are deliberately taking the argument away from my point.
Let me make it very fucking clear for you.
You have accused me of being scum. This does not, as you seem to have decided, instantly make me scum or preclude the need for you to present a case. Pushing for a lynch without any given reasoning - not even "I have a gut feeling" (something you have NEVER posted regarding me and certainly not whne you first jumped on my burgeoning wagon, as I will show shortly) - is scummy. The fact that you have become even more vehement about me being scum, whilst also becoming even less willing to provide a case as I've pressed you, until suddenly applying this retroactive case
↑Slandaar wrote:KoC you want a case?
KoC is scum for implying he can't be scum unless there is a case on him.
a full 490+ posts after your first calling me scum with no reasoning
↑Slandaar wrote:
Probably scum
KoC
ANG
Qwints
Maran
and 200+ posts after you promised to actually give a case
makes me think you're scum who just hopped on and/or indicated support for certain wagons that you thought had popular support without actually bothering to come up with a reason to jump on them (see: myself, ANG, to lesser extent Marangal pre-claim).
tl;dr the only case you've given for me to be scum arrived nearly 500 posts after you first called me scum and doesn't actually apply to any of my posts until this exchange -> you are attempting to retrofit a miniscule, poorly built case onto a shameless attempt at positioning yourself on my wagon -> you are probably retarded scum
unvote
Vote: Slaardar
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:44 am
by Slandaar
I didn't explain why Majiffy is scum in that post; but its when I realised he was.
He ignored my evidence showing it is a scumtell; thats the basic principle of why hes scum.
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:53 am
by borkjerfkin
Slandaar wrote:
He ignored my evidence showing it is a scumtell; thats the basic principle of why hes scum.
"It" being awkward wording in general?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:06 am
by qwints
I have to applaud Majiffy for the best chainsaw defense I've ever seen, but that doesn't change it's basic nature. Cyro's actions, including the unprompted 1v1 offer, mean that they're scum. Slandaar's making a fundamentally sound case against Cyro. Majiffy, while he's got some good points, also appears to be forcing the case - Slandaar's ATE to lynch Cyro was clearly different than Cyro's 1v1 offer. Why? Because it came after he had made a thorough case against Cyro, and not in response to a suggestion that he and Cyro were both scum.
Cyro's scum. Assuming that's true, Slandaar's town and Majiffy's scum.
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:26 am
by borkjerfkin
readstuff
Slandaar: [in progress]. #979 is not a very good summation of his case. Why can't Majiffy just disagree with you and be town?
AP: scum, already went over this
quints: Meh, null due to conflicting opinions. Was fine with him until about #600, which is really confirmation biasy. #892 is kinda weird too: why mention cryo here?
Ms. Mar: weak scum. lots of IIoA in #469. #799 is the only post with any real meat to it; might just be ineffective town. Difficult to decide whether about-face on goat is related to near universal town-read on him from everyone else or is genuine. Mac push seems somewhat disingenuous.
Mac: townish, I forget why.
AN: town, is pushing reads extremely hard.
Cryo: moderate scum. Just a slew of anti-town play in general. I don't see how 1v1s open the game up for town; it's basically just a license for people not to interact with most of each other.
Messiah: null-scum. Initial objection was about him being willing to nail ANG to a wall over post 90 which I think is unwarranted. No longer want to lynch today though.
Colonel Guile: Null-town. has Guille even posted once? I believe #944 as I was just scum with UN in 161 and I've been town with UN in a game I'd like to forget and he didn't lurk either time.
KoC: Town for his response to early game Majiffy. I don't get anyone's case on him.
ANG: Town for early game response to me. I get his angle on my GIF stuff.
Goat: I have been putting off reading him for whatever reason, probably because his posts all came at a time when I wasn't able to post much. No read yet.
GIF: gut town -- I believe he's been towntelling. I'll worry about multiball speculation when I have any evidence it's multiball.
mastin: town. Claim + town bloc stuff.
molliekittens: butthurt about being excluded from town bloc is such a towntell.
Fitz: just left of center town just for reaction to mollie in like the 1 post he has.
Majiffy: moderate town. Buddying me seems unwarranted re: argument with AP but everything else he's done seems like he's pushing legit points on people. Still on his side re: Majiffy vs Slandaar.
PV: Reads bored town, #756 is good.
Jal: Read weakened by tunneling of mastin. Barely town.
Bitmap: whatever
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:42 am
by CryoChemist
↑qwints wrote:he (slandaar) had made a thorough case against Cyro
There you go, proof its a scumtell; I knew from his first post he was scum.
Great sample size of (1) one occurrence involving a different scenario from a different player.
That really strengthens your argument.
And 348 isn't a scumtell because I've done it plenty of times myself
as town.
Now; when I linked this example I proved beyond doubt I play this way, however he is suggesting its scummy to do so when I have proven I do this as town.
Funny, nothing here that you've posted says anything about your meta. Looks like you're trying to back up some weak scumtell... which you were... which means you're lying again.
↑Slandaar wrote:
So what is his argument? What actually is his argument here?
That you haven't done a lick of legitimate scumhunting, and you're pushing a complete BS case on Cryo.
↑Slandaar wrote:
There is nothing wrong with people using scumtells that are not actually scumtells as long as they believe they are scumtells.
Wat
↑Slandaar wrote:See the defining factor? the belief part, the rest is nonsense.
Wat
Are you about to go all born-again on me?
↑Slandaar wrote:Are they scum for suggesting it? no.
Nor is that why I'm calling you scum! Good job misrepresenting my argument.
↑Slandaar wrote:
So, Majiffy is suggesting that by using something I believe is a scumtell as a scumtell It somehow makes me scummy when I have proven I use it as a scumtell.
Wrong, go re-read.
↑Slandaar wrote:
This is an attack on playstyle. He is not looking for the belief which is the factor to do with alignment.
He is scum.
If your playstyle is scummy, I'm going to lynch you for being scummy. You still haven't explained why that makes me scum.
↑Slandaar wrote:Majiffy is just focusing on something I mentioned once
Like everything else you've been calling Cryo scum for? Yeah, you have a habit of doing that.
↑Slandaar wrote:
What do you propose I do when I see such things? I see you ignored this question earlier.
Ah right; I just ignore them so that when I get nked noone can see what I was thinking. Seems good.
You could just say "possible associative tell". Instead, you're doing exactly what you were calling Cryo scummy for doing; over-explaining.
And the Westboro Baptist Church talks enough about God hating Fags. Does that make them right?
↑Slandaar wrote:
WIFOM accusation; Good Job. Doesn't actually argue the point; just tries to dismiss it as WIFOM.
THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
↑Slandaar wrote:
Eh I have spoken about this also. But the point is he doesn't argue the content; just that I shouldn't be pointing out these things? why? Never answered.
Quote me where I said you shouldn't be pointing out associative tells. I'll wait.
↑Slandaar wrote:
This isn't part of my case either.
No, but it's pretty damning.
↑Slandaar wrote:
Majiffy actually ignored a few of my later arguments I assume because he had no witty remark for them.
↑qwints wrote:I have to applaud Majiffy for the best chainsaw defense I've ever seen
So you're Slandaar's buddy, eh?
↑qwints wrote:Cyro's actions, including the unprompted 1v1 offer, mean that they're scum.
Please elaborate on
why
.
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Maybe more.
Hi Bork, glad to see you've joined the Slandaar vote.
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:53 am
by borkjerfkin
Hi Majiffy
why is cryo town?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:55 am
by Majiffy
Bork where do you propose that I buddied you?
p-edit:
Posts seem to be coming from a town mindset, if not the brightest in the box.
Also he sheeped me earlier, and that always makes me a happy Jiffy.
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:57 am
by borkjerfkin
in #631.
re: cryo. That's a little vague for me. Elaborate?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:57 am
by Majiffy
Also people with Nazi avatars are always scum. It's like a scumtell.
I don't actually have any evidence, and it might not actually be a scumtell, but I believe it is, so Slandaar is scum.
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:58 am
by Majiffy
... I was directly asked about why your vote wasn't scummy re: AP's vote.
How does that qualify as buddying?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:59 am
by borkjerfkin
It seemed like you were trying to defend me after the fact on something you should have been neutral about.
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:59 am
by CryoChemist
Yeah, the Flow Chart isn't going to be wrong this game.
Where you voting Jiffy? Slandaar? Good.
VOTE: Slandaar
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:01 am
by Majiffy
↑borkjerfkin wrote:It seemed like you were trying to defend me after the fact on something you should have been neutral about.
... I was directly asked why your vote wasn't scummy.
What part of this are you not comprehending?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:06 am
by CryoChemist
Slandaar: Jiffy, Messiah, DollfaceTwins, bork, KoC, us (6)
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:06 am
by borkjerfkin
I comprehend it fine, it's just not what I expected you to say.
What part of this are you not comprehending?