Newbie 1390 -- Game Over

JasonWazza · Post Post #975 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:52 am

Depends on the situation.

Day 1, no lynch probably depending on the PR.
Day 2/3 Lynch the PR

You have to look at the possible reason why a no lynch wouldn't affect the game.

Jailkeeper has a chance of blocking a kill even when claimed, Whereas doctor and BP don't, any claim not of them doctor/BP should probably lead to a no lynch.

goodmorning · Post Post #976 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:15 am

In post 974, ryhx wrote:If it came down to deadline would hammering a claimed PR or a no lynch be better for town

Yeah, like Jason said it depends on the day and the PR.
The first question is whether the PR makes sense in the setup. If no, lynch it.
Then whether there's a counterclaim. This lynch depends on who's more believable.
Then the question is whether it's D1. If it's D1 it's almost always worth it not to lynch for the chance that that person really is a PR and might manage something overnight. Besides that the Mafia would have to kill them a bit soonish.
Past D1 it depends on the claim, and also gets more into personal opinion.

JasonWazza · Post Post #977 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:27 am

In post 970, goodmorning wrote:What do you mean link? The game is a hundred something pages long. MyLo is somewhere around 90? 95?

The game itself is here.

No lynch was still the right move, whether or not you use the no lynch to it's full potential is another thing.

Reason i say no lynch is this game and another game i was in (and did the same fucking thing that fucked over the town <3)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=24031

Basically, doctor was quickhammered by scum Day 2

Mafia partner of my lynched day 3, i no killed, claimed JK and got the claimed cop lynched.

goodmorning · Post Post #978 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:35 am

Everyone was agreed on the Scum at MyLo. All no-lynching did was lose the biggest Townread and throw the game into enough confusion that he was able to get a mislynch.
So I still disagree, though I do see the merit of no-lynching at MyLo in some (even most) situations.

JasonWazza · Post Post #979 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:05 am

Yeah and everyone was agreed at the scum in MyLo here as well, same with my previous game.

Yes it gives a chance for the scum to re-direct, it also gives town a chance to re-think with less townies alive.

Fegelein · Post Post #980 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:39 am

JS, that was such a silly play by Town, Deriv was pretty much Conf Town if you ask me.

Also, after I requested sub-out, I had a scum-read on ryhx. Jason did well though, he was always slightly on my Town radar.

Overall, scum deserved win though.

JasonWazza · Post Post #981 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:21 am

Deriv was not conf-town and i hate that everyone said that.

My claim could have been very real, and his claim fake in an alternate universe, i honestly played as i would as a doctor.

Derivan · Post Post #982 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:46 am

In post 965, Guyett wrote:TBF Deri was acting so scummy Gm had no problem jumping on that wagon, you can see that prediction in the dead quicktopic thread lol

The fuck are you talking about man? Your play was shit the entire game. Drunk hammer? Seriously? And the whole back and forth with TIP which just muddled the water. Explain how my moves were "so scummy" again?

Derivan · Post Post #983 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:02 am

Makes a lot of sense now in hindsight to claim Doctor vs. BP when BP. Obviously would draw the NK, but then again without knowing the set-up could have the possibility of getting caught in a set-up without a Doctor, eh?

@GM
Read to much into the subtle moves you were making. My B.

Had a scum read on JW from day 1, and he remained at the bottom of my list, but with all of the nonsense back and forth between TIP and Guyett was hard to make heads or tails of the actual moves being made. Was easy for Rhyx and JW to sit back and let them continue to muddy the water. Best's play also didn't help much on Day 1.

Guyett · Post Post #984 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:11 am

Ah its nothing mate.. Just that the town had no problem throwing you under the bus on D3. I think if you were more pro town you could have got Jason lynched instead. It wouldn't have mattered as i think rhyx was too well hidden

Derivan · Post Post #985 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:59 am

In post 984, Guyett wrote:Ah its nothing mate.. Just that the town had no problem throwing you under the bus on D3. I think if you were more pro town you could have got Jason lynched instead. It wouldn't have mattered as i think rhyx was too well hidden

I got lynched based on a Counter-claim on day 3, whereas you got lynched based on your play alone.

I made a reserved case for you being town on both Day 1 and 2 Guyett, but couldn't really push it because of how you played. I didn't get a chance to post on Day 3, which points again to overall poor play by the town. I agree that we had a pretty poor chance of getting Rhyx, but JW was a possibility. Overall the mafia played it very well and in the future I think I would consider claiming doctor over BP since claiming BP doesn't really lend to helping to the town (even though the mafia did not get a NK on Night 2, but in this situation it helped them push a lynch on me). However I'm still not really sure that claiming doctor on Day 1 would have helped much either, since JW could have executed the same CC on day 3 after a failed NK on me. Or have executed the same CC on day 2 after a failed NK on me.

Guyett · Post Post #986 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:09 am

Oh I (almost) fully take responsibility for this loss... if I didn't do the stupid drunk hammer perhaps I wouldn't have been such an easy target for the scum to push... We could have taken out one of the scum.

the reason its almost fully is due to the fucking brilliant display by the scum team

goodmorning · Post Post #987 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:46 am

In post 983, Derivan wrote:@GM
Read to much into the subtle moves you were making. My B.

This may be the first time I have ever been accused of being subtle.

Cabd · Post Post #988 (ISO) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:37 am

Lol GM subtle, good one.

Fegelein · Post Post #989 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:54 am

In post 981, JasonWazza wrote:Deriv was not conf-town and i hate that everyone said that.

My claim could have been very real, and his claim fake in an alternate universe, i honestly played as i would as a doctor.

He claimed 1-Shot Bulletproof before Tracker flipped, whilst you claimed D3, after Tracker had flipped. If he was scum, he would have been pretty lucky. Plus no CC at the time.

JasonWazza · Post Post #990 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:32 pm

I made a detailed reason why BP is the safest fake claim.

In post 828, JasonWazza wrote: Here's the possible PR setups GIVEN the now known Tracker;
Town 1-shot Bulletproof, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker
Mafia Goon, Town Doctor, Town Tracker

Given this the Mafia is made up of 2 goons, meaning all possible setups are given here;
Mafia Goon, Town 1-shot Bulletproof, Town Tracker
Mafia Goon, Town Doctor, Town Tracker
Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie
Mafia Goon, Vanilla Townie, Town Jailkeeper

Given these 4 setups, what would you want in a fake claim?
Not be provable to be false, IF the situation occurs that you claimed in a good spot.
Force a PR to Counter Claim you in the case that you claim bad.

I would personally, Fake Claim a BP if i was scum for one good reason.
1/2 chance, that there's a tracker.
If i'm wrong in a claim, i pull out any of the following into claiming {Cop, Doctor, Jailkeeper}

THERE IS NO ACTUAL LOSS GIVEN THE SCUMS KNOWLEDGE TO CLAIM A BULLETPROOF.

Never Ever fully believe any claim.

Mina · Post Post #991 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:37 pm

Goodbye.