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~Vote Count XXII:

Lucina

ProHawk (3) ~ morph the cat, morph the cat, Purpkin
morph the cat (1) ~ ProHawk
Andrius (1) ~ DTMaster

Jabberwock (0) ~

Saki

Not Voting:

Andrius, Daemon385, Lady Lambdadelta, Jabberwock, Saki

Hey Cabd, you little weakling, scared of outlining that game yourself? Lets outline that game step by step, shall we?

Day 1 -

Random Vote
Post #79, attacking Blakes AND SheNinja.
Attack SheNinja/Replacement until Post #244, then reads shift to Napoleon. Oh look, already mid-game read shift quit tunneling... hmm...
Read post #323 in which I outline the attacks I had made, against whom which clearly shows I was not tunneling on one person.
Post #401 calls Gaia scum.

Day 2 -

Post 503 - Opening post vote on KirbySwag... interesting... if I were tunneling hard-core as you say, shouldn't have my vote been for Napoleon, or Gaia, or what? :S
Post 683 - My read/vote changes from KirbySwag to PokemonPlayer101.

Perhaps we have differing opinions about what hard-core tunneling is, but I am going to stop with the play-by-play because I think you all get the picture. Also, you WILL see similarities between my scum and town games because if there wasn't I wouldn't be as effective as I am when I play scum. Now, Mr. Meta, the burden of proof now lies with you to show exactly how that game that I played scum mirrors this game to the point where I am worthy of being lynched instead of blindly pushing a mis-lynch which you so coyly did to TIP.

In fact, since we are all on this hype of meta, let me direct you to one of my town games in which you WILL find an uncanny similarity. Check out Mini 1385 in which you will see me attack roflcopter for nearly the entirety of D1 with a side helping of MonkeyMan in a bit of self-preservation mode as I was the lynch target for D1.

But let's be honest, you don't actually care because you are scum and are hoping the dead townie can do all of the work for you, which happens to be why you are quoting your QT here.

If you guys continue to ignore me/my posts, I am really getting tired of putting in time and effort into this game just to be ignored. So if you are sure I am scum and have resigned to not paying any attention to my posts/requests/questions please just lynch me now because its frankly quite frustrating and annoying.

congratulations i hate meta now

morph the cat, question for you. Who wrote Post 972?

fferyllt.

hi

In post 979, morph the cat wrote:fferyllt.

Cabd posted it though. After I wrote it I wasn't sure it made sense, so I stuck it in drafts. He loaded it back into the thread and posted it for me.

morph the cat wrote:

In post 979, morph the cat wrote:fferyllt.

Cabd posted it though. After I wrote it I wasn't sure it made sense, so I stuck it in drafts. He loaded it back into the thread and posted it for me.

Why did you feel the need to clarify this?

There is something we have a problem with. fferyllt has been a non-entity in this game. Tierce told Empire that fferyllt takes a while to get going, but at this point, there is really no excuse for us to be seeing so little input coming from her. There is so much more content in Mini 1469 who needs to look for Mafia and plays like Town to a degree. Here, it feels like you're hiding behind Cabd. Come out, kitty cat. Come play with the Town players and stop looking like scum before I have a heart attack.

Then I had some paranoia that you had been in contact with Nacho and Syr Yesterday and hadn't told us, but that didn't make sense given that they were still posting and didn't bring that up. So that bit's settled. But the above? Very much bothersome.


As for Saki, anyone Townreading him after Mini 1469 can take a short walk off a long pier.


ProHawk: Lazy scum = Saki.

Mini 1469? Which one was that

In post 982, Jabberwock wrote:

morph the cat wrote:

In post 979, morph the cat wrote:fferyllt.

Cabd posted it though. After I wrote it I wasn't sure it made sense, so I stuck it in drafts. He loaded it back into the thread and posted it for me.

Why did you feel the need to clarify this?

Because I remembered it. It's a minor thing but I didn't press the submit button on that post.

There is something we have a problem with. fferyllt has been a non-entity in this game. Tierce told Empire that fferyllt takes a while to get going, but at this point, there is really no excuse for us to be seeing so little input coming from her. There is so much more content in Mini 1469

as a Serial Killer

who needs to look for Mafia and plays like Town to a degree. Here, it feels like you're hiding behind Cabd. Come out, kitty cat. Come play with the Town players and stop looking like scum before I have a heart attack.

I think I've made a significant proportion of our posts so far in this game. Today has been inactive overall, though. Syr's right. Our QT has been at least as active as the thread itself.

Then I had some paranoia that you had been in contact with Nacho and Syr Yesterday and hadn't told us, but that didn't make sense given that they were still posting and didn't bring that up. So that bit's settled. But the above? Very much bothersome.

No, Vi sent us the link to the QT at about the same time Day 3 started.

One thing I've asked about on the QT that I'll ask here too: Syr thinks that one of DTM and Saki are scum but that they aren't likely to be scum together. There's a level of abstraction to DTM's play that makes him a little difficult for me to read. If you or Tierce have game experience with him,, I'd like to know what you think about his day 1 and day 2 play.

In post 983, Saki wrote:Mini 1469? Which one was that

Oh, that one.
I don't recall replacing into scum-sided LyLo this game, though.

In post 982, Jabberwock wrote:ProHawk: Lazy scum = Saki

Then why are you ignoring my question?

In post 984, morph the cat wrote:

There is something we have a problem with. fferyllt has been a non-entity in this game. Tierce told Empire that fferyllt takes a while to get going, but at this point, there is really no excuse for us to be seeing so little input coming from her. There is so much more content in Mini 1469

as a Serial Killer

who needs to look for Mafia and plays like Town to a degree. Here, it feels like you're hiding behind Cabd. Come out, kitty cat. Come play with the Town players and stop looking like scum before I have a heart attack.

I think I've made a significant proportion of our posts so far in this game. Today has been inactive overall, though. Syr's right. Our QT has been at least as active as the thread itself.

It's not just Today, it just feels that you're not kicking in yet. With Townreads on us and on Purpkin, with Nacho and Syryana talking with you and Cabd at your back, that seems off. What's holding you back from providing more game analysis?

In post 984, morph the cat wrote:One thing I've asked about on the QT that I'll ask here too: Syr thinks that one of DTM and Saki are scum but that they aren't likely to be scum together. There's a level of abstraction to DTM's play that makes him a little difficult for me to read. If you or Tierce have game experience with him, I'd like to know what you think about his day 1 and day 2 play.

They aren't scum together, we're agreed on that. Tierce thinks DTMaster's D2 play is very Town; coming in with a guilty on someone is something that locks you into a claim early (and roleblocker is a hell of a claim to be bound to if you're a scum roleblocker) and is a very, very Town move, because it's that Town attitude of . Tierce has been there. It's an all guns blazing Town jump into the fray. And scum who knew that their Oil Tycoons kill had failed would not use as a scapegoat, it would be ridiculous.

And Tierce will stop talking in third person for a while.

Oh, for more Saki-scum. Remember Saki's edging reaction to DTMaster's claim that he had a guilty on him?

In post 344, DTMaster wrote:

Vote Saki

. Because I have reasons and they support Saki-scum. I.e. I did shenanigans last night and Saki is top suspect unless otherwise stated.

In post 346, DTMaster wrote:Nat also needs to die: 177 is a clear distance from the TIP lynch. With a town flip - he is distance man and supportive on the lynch. Scum trait. Qualifies for scum dat is off said wagon. Will read for scum on said wagon after I (sober) get some rest.

Saki's death must quench me. Pretend I'm Edgeworth and I used LOGIC AND REASONS (or Chess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-a60ITJ2Ko)

In post 351, Saki wrote:

In post 344, DTMaster wrote:I.e. I did shenanigans last night and Saki is top suspect unless otherwise stated.

Huh?
Why feel the need to keep it secret?

In post 359, DTMaster wrote:@Saki
No hidden agendas. Thought I was clear. I have a role interaction that implicates you because there was no NK. That should be easy. There are other explanations that can explain these conditions which would suggest other things - but I doubt they would claim.

Thought this was elementary school bus level logic. My disapproved Edgeworth face should be here.

In post 368, Saki wrote:

In post 359, DTMaster wrote:@Saki
No hidden agendas. Thought I was clear. I have a role interaction that implicates you because there was no NK. That should be easy. There are other explanations that can explain these conditions which would suggest other things - but I doubt they would claim.

Thought this was elementary school bus level logic. My disapproved Edgeworth face should be here.

No roleclaim. Faking a guilty. Why?
Because scum that's why.

And also there

was

a nightkill, just delayed. What impact does that have on your investigation? Is it still pointing guilty at me?

In post 369, Saki wrote:

In post 359, DTMaster wrote:No hidden agendas.

You hid your entire damn role from me and fake a guilty and you say there's no hidden agenda?

In post 370, Oil Tycoons wrote:

In post 368, Saki wrote:And also there was a nightkill, just delayed. What impact does that have on your investigation? Is it still pointing guilty at me?

he didn't know that, he probably roleblocked you, he's holy shit town as fuck.

In post 371, Saki wrote:I don't see town motivation behind a partial claim.
Even if he is wrong about the guilty I still think he's scum.

In post 820, Saki wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saki

I'm Anna. Both my abilities say something along the lines of "this might do something or it might not."

Let's end the day.


I'm not following too closely but whoever is rolefishing is doing it well.
And Mafia Neighborizer seems highly likely.

So Saki has an ability that he doesn't know the details of, but when someone accuses him of anything his reaction is "you're lying I didn't do anything of the sort you are scum you have nothing on me and whyyyy aren't you fullclaiming shit shit shit are you a cop with a guilty on me what can I claim in this situation ah fuuuuuck". Even when, logically, DTMaster had no way of knowing that he had blocked the Night kill.

This is grade A bullshit and I'm preaching to the choir because at this point I don't think there's anyone worth acknowledging that wouldn't see Saki lynched with gusto and Town fire, so etc.


ProHawk: because your question is boring and we've already explained why it doesn't make sense that morph the cat would hide behind Nachoyana for a mislynch, Cabd's perfectly capable of doing it on his own without needing someone's confTown banner. Furthermore, the "oh look they only used "their" vote after Nacho and Syr" bit is bullshit. It's bad and you should feel bad. If you're not getting lynched Today, Saki is, so what's your read on him?

In post 987, Jabberwock wrote:So Saki has an ability that he doesn't know the details of, but when someone accuses him of anything his reaction is "you're lying I didn't do anything of the sort you are scum you have nothing on me and whyyyy aren't you fullclaiming shit shit shit are you a cop with a guilty on me what can I claim in this situation ah fuuuuuck".

In post 987, Jabberwock wrote:DTMaster had no way of knowing that he had not blocked the Night kill.

Lol
Refuting your own cases in the exact same paragraph seems to be a popular thing

I want to kill Jabberwock today, discuss.

So at best the lack of ability of reading each other worth a damn is mutual, at worst you're scum. Wheeee.

Nah, it's still probably ProHawk Today, though my heart yearns for that Saki lynch in all its scaly delight.

I don't think you were the one I wanted to discuss~

I'm far cuter than my other head^* and we're frigging prima donnas. There is no discussion to be had that doesn't involve us and our wondrous nature.

^*


Where are your reads?

In post 992, Jabberwock wrote:I'm far cuter than my other head^* and we're frigging prima donnas. There is no discussion to be had that doesn't involve us and our wondrous nature.

^*

Shush, you get to be the pretty one, stop being greedy.

Where are your reads?

That's not important~. What is important is people's opinions on creating a Wondercritter Stew.

My thoughts on this game which will encompass my read on Saki boil down to the following fact: I am being stone-walled.

As I present ideas/theorys/evidence, no one is commenting, presenting counter arguments, etc. I presented arguments on Morph the Cat. Nothing. I am being stone-walled.

Because it is a generalized overall effort (or lack thereof), it includes both scum and town who aren't willing to discuss ideas and findings with me. My theory is that a good majority of town players are players that are putting forth little effort in the game and therefore aren't wanting to engage me.

You described Saki pretty well. He is playing quite lazily. I can't imagine that town would intentionally ignore me, therefore there has to be town in the lazy player-base. This is where Saki falls in my reads.

In post 987, Jabberwock wrote: ProHawk: because your question is boring and we've already explained why it doesn't make sense that morph the cat would hide behind Nachoyana for a mislynch, Cabd's perfectly capable of doing it on his own without needing someone's confTown banner. Furthermore, the "oh look they only used "their" vote after Nacho and Syr" bit is bullshit. It's bad and you should feel bad. If you're not getting lynched Today, Saki is, so what's your read on him?

My question is boring?

You've already explained why? In fact, you said .

In post 929, Jabberwock wrote:^ Can't even be bothered to check why scum morph the cat would out the Oil Tycoons info.

Now that you did explain why after saying you already did (which you didn't) your points boil down to:

• Cabd-scum is capable of pushing a mis-lynch on his own without needing someone else already confirmed town.
  
• Me using voting sequence is bad and I should feel bad

Nothing here points to any why Cabd-scum wouldn't have outed their Oil Tycoon's connection.

That's great that Cabd/Ffery may be able to push a mis-lynch on their own, but ? It is fact that a player pushing a lynch is in the lime-light. It removes the ability to blend as they are front and center. You also fail to understand that by using the Oil Tycoon's vote, not only are they (MorphTheCat) in control of who it targets, but their vote is an additional vote that isn't factored into the majority needed to lynch.

Secondarily, by placing their vote secondary to Oil Tycoons, they are allowing Tycoons to maintain the front and center while maintaining a back-ground approach that they took in the TIP lynch AND the Sakura lynch. You calling it bad means jack-squat and when they flip scum I hope YOU feel bad. While I wouldn't consider this concrete damning evidence, it is evidence and should be considered in the overall read.

If my question were boring, why not just say so in one of your previous posts? It honestly didn't look like you were super involved in some other analysis/discussion going on here.

Now, what happens when I get lynched, flip town, and Oil Tycoons then actually gets a read right? What makes you think MorphTheCat isn't going to alter what Tycoons says to conform to another mis-lynch? Who is to say they don't actually get to control OilTycoon's vote? You mentioned this, but failed to follow up which only leads me to believe you aren't considering the possibility of Morph the Cat scum. (Yes, I read your post about Ffery not playing to her normal town-game, but also feel like your attack is weak considering you fail to use that logic in conjunction with wanting to lynch me still). The logical conclusion of you faking is that you are scum, which is the direction I am leaning at the moment.

I am going to analyze a few of the reasons people are voting for me and their arguments in a centralized post before I decide on who is better to lynch out of MorphTheCat and Jabberwock, but honestly don't feel like we could go wrong with either of them.

You local friendly dead guy made of cheese urges me to remind you that sakura hana's selfhammer is enough defeatest behavior to fill this game's quota.

Also he's wondering what the hell you're doing so much focus on sorting us out.

In post 995, morph the cat wrote:You local friendly dead guy made of cheese urges me to remind you that sakura hana's selfhammer is enough defeatest behavior to fill this game's quota.

Also he's wondering what the hell you're doing so much focus on sorting us out.

Sorrrrrry

In post 987, Jabberwock wrote:

In post 984, morph the cat wrote:

There is something we have a problem with. fferyllt has been a non-entity in this game. Tierce told Empire that fferyllt takes a while to get going, but at this point, there is really no excuse for us to be seeing so little input coming from her. There is so much more content in Mini 1469

as a Serial Killer

who needs to look for Mafia and plays like Town to a degree. Here, it feels like you're hiding behind Cabd. Come out, kitty cat. Come play with the Town players and stop looking like scum before I have a heart attack.

I think I've made a significant proportion of our posts so far in this game. Today has been inactive overall, though. Syr's right. Our QT has been at least as active as the thread itself.

It's not just Today, it just feels that you're not kicking in yet. With Townreads on us and on Purpkin, with Nacho and Syryana talking with you and Cabd at your back, that seems off. What's holding you back from providing more game analysis?

In post 984, morph the cat wrote:One thing I've asked about on the QT that I'll ask here too: Syr thinks that one of DTM and Saki are scum but that they aren't likely to be scum together. There's a level of abstraction to DTM's play that makes him a little difficult for me to read. If you or Tierce have game experience with him, I'd like to know what you think about his day 1 and day 2 play.

They aren't scum together, we're agreed on that. Tierce thinks DTMaster's D2 play is very Town; coming in with a guilty on someone is something that locks you into a claim early (and roleblocker is a hell of a claim to be bound to if you're a scum roleblocker) and is a very, very Town move, because it's that Town attitude of

I got you, bastard scum

. Tierce has been there. It's an all guns blazing Town jump into the fray. And scum who knew that their Oil Tycoons kill had failed would not use

Saki

as a scapegoat, it would be ridiculous.

And Tierce will stop talking in third person for a while.

Oh, for more Saki-scum. Remember Saki's edging reaction to DTMaster's claim that he had a guilty on him?

In post 344, DTMaster wrote:

Vote Saki

. Because I have reasons and they support Saki-scum. I.e. I did shenanigans last night and Saki is top suspect unless otherwise stated.

In post 346, DTMaster wrote:Nat also needs to die: 177 is a clear distance from the TIP lynch. With a town flip - he is distance man and supportive on the lynch. Scum trait. Qualifies for scum dat is off said wagon. Will read for scum on said wagon after I (sober) get some rest.

Saki's death must quench me. Pretend I'm Edgeworth and I used LOGIC AND REASONS (or Chess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-a60ITJ2Ko)

In post 351, Saki wrote:

In post 344, DTMaster wrote:I.e. I did shenanigans last night and Saki is top suspect unless otherwise stated.

Huh?
Why feel the need to keep it secret?

In post 359, DTMaster wrote:@Saki
No hidden agendas. Thought I was clear. I have a role interaction that implicates you because there was no NK. That should be easy. There are other explanations that can explain these conditions which would suggest other things - but I doubt they would claim.

Thought this was elementary school bus level logic. My disapproved Edgeworth face should be here.

In post 368, Saki wrote:

In post 359, DTMaster wrote:@Saki
No hidden agendas. Thought I was clear. I have a role interaction that implicates you because there was no NK. That should be easy. There are other explanations that can explain these conditions which would suggest other things - but I doubt they would claim.

Thought this was elementary school bus level logic. My disapproved Edgeworth face should be here.

No roleclaim. Faking a guilty. Why?
Because scum that's why.

And also there

was

a nightkill, just delayed. What impact does that have on your investigation? Is it still pointing guilty at me?

In post 369, Saki wrote:

In post 359, DTMaster wrote:No hidden agendas.

You hid your entire damn role from me and fake a guilty and you say there's no hidden agenda?

In post 370, Oil Tycoons wrote:

In post 368, Saki wrote:And also there was a nightkill, just delayed. What impact does that have on your investigation? Is it still pointing guilty at me?

he didn't know that, he probably roleblocked you, he's holy shit town as fuck.

In post 371, Saki wrote:I don't see town motivation behind a partial claim.
Even if he is wrong about the guilty I still think he's scum.

In post 820, Saki wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saki

I'm Anna. Both my abilities say something along the lines of "this might do something or it might not."

Let's end the day.


I'm not following too closely but whoever is rolefishing is doing it well.
And Mafia Neighborizer seems highly likely.

So Saki has an ability that he doesn't know the details of, but when someone accuses him of anything his reaction is "you're lying I didn't do anything of the sort you are scum you have nothing on me and whyyyy aren't you fullclaiming shit shit shit are you a cop with a guilty on me what can I claim in this situation ah fuuuuuck". Even when, logically, DTMaster had no way of knowing that he had

not

blocked the Night kill.

This is grade A bullshit and I'm preaching to the choir because at this point I don't think there's anyone worth acknowledging that wouldn't see Saki lynched with gusto and Town fire, so etc.


ProHawk: because your question is boring and we've already explained why it doesn't make sense that morph the cat would hide behind Nachoyana for a mislynch, Cabd's perfectly capable of doing it on his own without needing someone's confTown banner. Furthermore, the "oh look they only used "their" vote after Nacho and Syr" bit is bullshit. It's bad and you should feel bad. If you're not getting lynched Today, Saki is, so what's your read on him?

I think this makes sense. Thinking about the DMT side of this equation, I want to move him out of the frame for now.

In post 989, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I want to kill Jabberwock today, discuss.

Why?

I'm about to go out for AMURIKA WOOOO celebratory dinner, but this:

In post 994, ProHawk wrote:You've already explained why?

Lie.

In fact, you said

you couldn't even be bothered to check why

.

In post 929, Jabberwock wrote:^ Can't even be bothered to check why scum morph the cat would out the Oil Tycoons info.

This is crap and you know it. The "^" was referring to the post above 929, which was () Post 928, written by (surprise!) you, ProHawk.