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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:58 pm
by Deacon Blues
In post 973, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Sadly my first language is English. Sometimes my brain goes faster than my hands so I don't always type the exact way I am thinking....My better posts is when i slow down and makes sure I am saying exactly what I am thinking.
I can see how some might mistake this for being a little scummy.
@ Orcinus
- I did not like how he came in and started to yell scum without reading everything. I also stated that what i saw from his town meta that this is not a town Myko as far as I could tell
- His reason for wanting me lynched were weak and a stretch.I would also say forced. For example he said I was scum bc I said sorry in one post. I have seen other players say sorry in their posts and no one yelled scum. It is clear by the context that I was trying to be polite. Even if it was not if you check my explanation with the post it pretty clear that the reason I give matches up with the stated post. The second reason given is that I asked questions instead of just blasting out accusation. He is basically basing me being scum based on a play style. I have been pretty consistent with the way I have played. I asked question and based on the answers I decided whether or not I should peruse a case against someone. I have tried to make cases against people I thought were scummy. He said my post are scummy but does not says how. What about my post that makes them scummy.
I admit I am awkward but this is normal for me. I even admitted this before. Maybe it is just me but it seems that he knows I am awkward and hopes to get an easy lynch by taking my words out of context or trying to portray my awkwardness as scummy
- My problem with Mara was that she was not only defensive and stand-offish but was excessively so.
- She admit lurking which is not scummy per-say but tried to frame her lurking as being okay but No Hana as scummy
- Her vote on Ornicus really seems like a OMGUS or perhaps a way to take attention away from herself.( I am talking pre meltdown)
-I do not know what to make of her meltdown since I seen both scum and tell meltdown before. I am guessing it was a scum meltdown since I believe with my heart
Also if the cop wants to investigate me I am fine with that. I welcome it.
No worries. It could be something regional. I just felt like I was picking up on some grammatical stuff.
I'll look through them tonight or tomorrow and tell you what I think.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:20 am
by mykonian
In post 971, Kazekirimaru wrote:I just did a cursory metadive on Myko to see if I'm on the right track about this push. Checked out Micro 233, TM2102, and Newbie 1310 among others.
Myko posts quite often as town, usually being the most active/2nd. most active in the game, even in games where he replaces in halfway/has large gaps of inactivity. This is partially due to his tendency to post multiple times in a row as town. ScumMyko is significantly less active, preferring to quote-stripe rather than reply in multiple posts. TownMyko generally has a cheery disposition, often speaking pleasantries to people he's familiar with, happily fluffing on occasion. ScumMyko is much more serious and terse, getting down to business as soon as he hits the thread. TownMyko also appears to frequently use Smilies whereas ScumMyko almost never uses them. TownMyko also appears to reach out a bit for support on wagons/opinions on other players a bit more than ScumMyko does - ScumMyko rather takes a more "My reads are better than yours so follow me you derp" attitude. That's not to say he doesn't do this as both alignments, just far more as Scum than Town.
I'm by no means fantastic at Meta-reading, nor am I willing to base an entire read around Meta, but considering that Myko appears to be playing to his scum meta(along with the fact that Mara was scumming up the slot beforehand) I'm feeling incredibly confident about this push now.
So, yeah. Lynch him.
Activity goes by fads, as either side. Being active is fun, but doesn't work out for me in general. Same goes with how to hit the thread, sometimes I feel like coming out with guns blazing (which is a bit of a high risk high reward strat), other times I see no good way to start that way and am lame. I think you'll see me be more reckless with the guns blazing thing if I'm town. I'm aware it gets me lynched/under suspicion, except if some players are in the game.
The quoting thing you could be right about, I'm not checking on that. Disposition is carried over from outside, I fear. I doubt you'll see a cheery myko in this game, I haven't been a fun person lately. The smiley one is a tell that works, I use less smilies as scum. The way of finding wagons is another disposition thing. It's more indicative of the time I'm playing at and people I'm playing with then. Last game for example was a "my reads are better then yours" in quite a hefty manner, mostly because I didn't enjoy the players, nor was feeling like being nice.
and all in all, you are convincing yourself about a vote with a meta read on someone making catchup posts. idk. It's a lot of words wasted on something which will give limited results if you do it like this. My town and scum meta are pretty distinct, I think, but you are looking at it from really far away and only get the broad strokes of the game. Or in other words, what you did was quickly skim through those games and hope for a decent result.
pitoli, what do you think?
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:47 am
by TheFuzzylogic99
Piddely Snicks
Been thinking about things and I concluded that Myko has been showing some of the classics signs of tunneling . He focused on 1 player to target. His argument are weak and he put his vote on a player that does not seem likely to get lynched. I could be wrong and I would like some feed back. There are some aspects I see as scummy so i wont take back my vote as yet.
@ Myko
You say that you are in a bad mood, how do we know that this is not a fabricated excuse to cover up what has pretty much been proven as your scum game? Why should I or any other player believe you are a townie.?
@ Mac
You make an interesting case for Pit. I want to know why I should go after Pit over Myko or MafiaSSK .
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:55 am
by mykonian
you shouldn't believe anything. I earlier already described how moods are actually governing how happy I might sound in games. And the rest is a fair warning I guess. I do like the way you say that my scumgame is pretty much proven, that's cute
My scumgame is distinct, but kaze's way of looking at it is too general.
also, I think tunneling is a weird accusation. I want you most, but I dont like tammy's posting and some of gifs stuff was not great. It's there if you want to read it. On the other hand, I don't mind that you mostly focus on the fact that I quoted you a lot as well. Shows your motivations nicely.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:21 am
by TheFuzzylogic99
@ Myko
why is it a weird explanation?Funny i give you a rope to possible crawl out of the hole that you dug and you want to hang me with it. As far as Kaze's meta dive you have not shown why we should believe this is not the norm for your scum game, If you want to show that he is wrong I know I would be open to listen. Post a scum game where you acted differently.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:22 am
by Kazekirimaru
To be fair, everything you say sounds weird.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:37 am
by Nachomamma8
In post 869, Tammy wrote:Nacho - you feel like your team has already been narrowed by Poe know it's going to be, and you just decided to go fuck it. Let me just troll.
You don't know my scum mindset if you think that this is the case.
My best scumgames usually come when I have literally no chance of winning.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:39 am
by mykonian
I want to hang you regardless of how you choose to interact with me. It's hardly the most important part of scumhunting.
also, for meta, ^ he's probably your man.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:49 am
by Nachomamma8
In post 871, Tammy wrote:Like you back off rufflig because you wanted a momentum change, which must mean you think I'm wrong about rufflig, yet you don't try to pull me down from him and tell me why I'm wrong? You know rufflig is wrong about me and you don't tell him why he's wrong?
You see Mykonian misattribute a post you made and you don't correct him?
Instead you pop in here and do meaningless dances that you know and admit are meaningless?
I don't think minaho is town, but the last time you talked about minaho, you were defending him. (That I remember getting ready to head to work can't confirm) and now you're voting him after admitting your pitoli push was crap?
I don't necessarily need to think that ruffling is town in order to make a momentum change; I think the game is stalling and I am afraid of a ruffling town flip more than I am predicting it. Does that make sense?
I didn't see mykonian fuck up, probably. IPad following along is hard, Chica.
I was defending him last time I talked about him! Then the read got stale. My pitoli push was not meaningless, it lacked conviction. Different things.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:51 am
by Nachomamma8
Because I think you two are scum. Why not? For example, gif was gonna do random Isos and strengthen reads and stuff but that totally hasn't happened.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:51 am
by Nachomamma8
And is that your only response to me voting you? Because it totally shouldn't be.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:54 am
by Nachomamma8
In post 887, Deacon Blues wrote:It reminded me of this game:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=32520
We were scum, she was town. Nacho threw a vote down on her and she reacted with a countervote.
Here are a couple of posts that she made about the votes:
In post 146, pitoli wrote:idk, just, third vote on a wagon? Im always watching if that shit looks like an opportunity to cement momentum on a mislynch
Nacho it just didnt feel like you even gave it that much thought
yknow what's really fun, tryin and failjng to type this on my phone
In post 159, pitoli wrote:
this sounds like you dont necessarily think im scum?
/hopeful
She was run up to L-1 pretty quickly so there were a lot more players than just us to interact with.
Anyway.
Both of them are bothering me for different reasons. Why isn't Nacho the one who's reaching out and trying t round up a town bloc?
I'm rounding up my town block. My vote on pitoli was a reach out in and of itself. You also know that I don't obviously build town blocks I'm every game
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:57 am
by Nachomamma8
In post 890, Deacon Blues wrote:I know from experience that his repertoire of stances and approaches to games as town is voluminous. But, he's in a curious place that I don't remember seeing before. He's not being apathetic and letting others set the agenda. He's not stepping up and leading. But, he's kind occupying the hub of the wheel, and has controlled the tempo of the game with what look like very strategic pushes and direction changes. But, it's not leading anywhere. Unless he really had to do the earlier crap to cement reads on Tammy and ProHawk. And, I don't think it takes a wagon on Tammy for him to sort her. ProHawk, maybe.
No it totally doesn't, thought I was gonna get me tammyscum day 1 though. I decided not to take a wait and see approach since occasionally those include too much waiting from my end. I blatantly lead a little less than I usually do when game is already going in a good direction and iPad.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:58 am
by Nachomamma8
In post 897, pitoli wrote:Oh good, my townreads blocing without me ):
My vote on Nacho was basically to try to force some interaction with him, since what he was doing didn't look like town and I wanted to get more out of him. Omgus is one of those things that people rarely ignore and I wanted to see what peoples' reactions would be.
The way Nacho is flipping about makes me think he could be scum pretending he has reads to sort out. The momentum comment derided me out.
You haven't seen me flip out, have you?
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:01 pm
by Nachomamma8
I think I want to work with SSK town based on his reads list. He misses a lot yes, but I think scum partners would probably fill him in on Orc claim.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:03 pm
by Nachomamma8
Tammy, I think you have a good point on ruffling treatment of me. I am afraid I am misreading him based on this because I misread him in every game we played together IIRC. I don't know why he's trusting me easily, but I don't want to fuck up that trust if we are both town for once.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:05 pm
by Nachomamma8
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:09 pm
by Nachomamma8
I don't like how Prohawk ended up on the easy lynch. I don't like how he fell off when I stopped pushing him, and I still don't really think he's town.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:14 pm
by Deacon Blues
In post 990, Nachomamma8 wrote:Tammy, I think you have a good point on ruffling treatment of me. I am afraid I am misreading him based on this because I misread him in every game we played together IIRC. I don't know why he's trusting me easily, but I don't want to fuck up that trust if we are both town for once.
This resonates and I'd be surprised if you'd say quite this if you're scum.
Unvote
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:15 pm
by Deacon Blues
In post 992, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't like how Prohawk ended up on the easy lynch. I don't like how he fell off when I stopped pushing him, and I still don't really think he's town.
His suspicion of Kaze' claim has a town-ProHawk feel to me.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:16 pm
by Nachomamma8
Pitoli town based on interactions and a level of ballsiness required to be coming from pitoli scum that I don't think she possesses.
Marangal meltdown makes myko town, don't really give a shit what he posts although moving away from the norm in a significant way is something that comes from myko town more often than myko scum.
Tammy deacon town.
MafiaSSK gets two points based on what I assume scumbuddies would have filled him in on. If scumteam is prohawk/gif though, maybe not. Otherwise would prefer not to kill him based on townreads elsewhere (head can be cut off today).
Ruffling trust of me is weird and I am suspicious as all hell, but not sure he is best flip for today. Look into again later.
Prohawk still scummy. Conviction in response to me was good, follow up responses were not. Current line on ruffling is concerning if ruffling town.
Mac town.
Fuzzy most likely town, although I have paranoid flashes now and then.
Kaze also most likely town although I have similar paranoid flashes on him.
Minami good bet for scum.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:16 pm
by Nachomamma8
In post 994, Deacon Blues wrote: In post 992, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't like how Prohawk ended up on the easy lynch. I don't like how he fell off when I stopped pushing him, and I still don't really think he's town.
His suspicion of Kaze' claim has a town-ProHawk feel to me.
That is a good point.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:16 pm
by Nachomamma8
What do you think of Minami?
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:18 pm
by Nachomamma8
I might have a decent reason for calling the Sakura head scum.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:23 pm
by Deacon Blues
I felt like you gave GiF too much credit for his early posting. I hate trying to read Sakura these days. I've gone from townreading her for a sort of sullen, snappish responsiveness in games to scumreading her for it and I don't know why, really.
What is your reason for thinking she's scum.