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Post Post #975 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:37 am

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In post 937, Aegor wrote:FU, sangres. SMP was at 5 votes way earlier in the game. Where were you on that bandwagon then?

We have one day left. Please explain to us why HS should be kept alive.
There's a significant difference between sustained lurking and lurking in bursts.
I would ask why you aren't voting him currently, but I assume you don't really have any scumreads you care about over others.
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Post Post #976 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:38 am

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what about the fact that he was going after for SMP early on but once SMP got votes on him he started defending smp, to the point where he (hold on to your hats here guys) LIED about smp's play on another site.

What is the town motivation behind that?
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Post Post #977 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:39 am

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In post 950, Mac wrote:
In post 948, BROseidon wrote:
In post 922, Mac wrote:
Vote: Shroomish


I'm going back here. My lean-townread has been utterly obliterated over the course of this page.
Mac, did you get scum this game? This post is bad :/
You can explain why if you want, meanwhile here's why my townread was decimated. Shroomish agreed with sangres townread of me a few pages back, preceded to never mention me again until the vote and, despite two people asking,
is still yet to explain his vote.
This is a characteristic I'd associate with newish scum who forget how they faked their reads and I think it ties in here - since he hasn't given a direct read on me, he's forgotten that he agreed with sangres townread of me. The "shit, 24 hours" comment followed by starting a brand, shiny new wagon felt extremely fake and the lack of explanation & follow up to it has left me feeling rather uneasy with the whole thing.

Vote: Shroomish
How often do you think newbie scum forget their reads?
The answer is: not often, because they don't normally fake many reads in the first place. You also haven't even come close to explaining why new scum goes making the brand new shiny wagon on you of all people.
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Post Post #978 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:40 am

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In post 976, Jake from State Farm wrote:what about the fact that he was going after for SMP early on but once SMP got votes on him he started defending smp, to the point where he (hold on to your hats here guys) LIED about smp's play on another site.

What is the town motivation behind that?
I see no reason why he would do as much intentionally as scum unless he were scum with SMP.
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Post Post #979 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:40 am

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Meaning, that SMP vote? Still a great vote.
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Post Post #980 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:41 am

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In post 951, Mac wrote:
In post 943, sangres wrote:
In post 937, Aegor wrote:FU, sangres. SMP was at 5 votes way earlier in the game. Where were you on that bandwagon then?

We have one day left. Please explain to us why HS should be kept alive.
You explain why he shouldn't.

His vote on Mac was bad, but it doesn't look scummy to us.
In post 938, Aegor wrote:And why you are not willing to vote for him now.
We're generally not in favor of lynching townreads. I know, it's a radical idea, but it might just catch on.
I'm a bit mystified as to why you haven't called out Shroomish for the lack of following up to your request for an explanation to be honest.

I'm also curious as to how you see the vote as not scummy, because I'm seeing the total opposite here.
I don't think either of us expected a good explanation.
It didn't seem like a very thought out kind of move where I'm standing, but maybe that's just me and I don't have enough faith in people.
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Post Post #981 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:43 am

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In post 978, sangres wrote:
In post 976, Jake from State Farm wrote:what about the fact that he was going after for SMP early on but once SMP got votes on him he started defending smp, to the point where he (hold on to your hats here guys) LIED about smp's play on another site.

What is the town motivation behind that?
I see no reason why he would do as much intentionally as scum unless he were scum with SMP.
bingo

they are scum together like I said

what I don't get is why the last minute scramble to move everyone off shroom to smp when shroom is 1 away from lynch. he certainly isn't obv town nor is he helping the game along enough where he deserves to be saved.
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Post Post #982 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:44 am

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...or, instead of being scum together, Shroom could be town who misremembered SMP's meta, which is entirely possible (probable, even!).
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Post Post #983 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:45 am

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You also haven't shown me scum motivation behind Mac-vote.
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Post Post #984 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:46 am

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#metaiscancer

jake, were you and shroom in the same off-site game in question? are you two talking about two different games? what exactly are the circumstances?
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Post Post #985 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:47 am

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There certainly wasn't town motivation for it

P. edit - no I never played on that site
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Post Post #986 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:49 am

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so how would you know if shroom lied or not?
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Post Post #987 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:55 am

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In post 986, Antihero wrote:so how would you know if shroom lied or not?
I decided to pressure one of the low posters, so I believe SMP was the lowest at the time. I looked through his 2 completed games and noticed that he was playing differently this game (I had done the same in another game of mine that ended recently and was able to correctly identify scum so i felt this was reliable enough for pressure at the least)

Shroom comes to his defense claiming that SMP normally is inactive and he and I go back and forth with me point to his games here, he mentions another site and gives me the name. I manage to look through games SMP played (4 games I believe) and 3 of them SMP was town and not inactive day 1.

Somebody said they would like a scum game to compare and that is where the 4th game came in, that was SMP's scum game and smp was fairly inactive day 1

so that was 3 games off site and 2 on this site where town SMP is active and 1 scum game off site and none on this site where day 1 he was inactive

Shroom argued with me and ultimately just said "I hate when I lose arguments"


Shroom's defense of SMP is weird, my attempt to get an SMP wagon failed and now we are close to a shroom wagon the interest for an SMP wagon is picking up.

and that's the story in a nutshell
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Post Post #988 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:56 am

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In post 964, sangres wrote:My initial thought was also to ask for a claim so that Jake would be forced into claiming a specific role: I think town motivation behind asking for someone to expand upon a PR claim is pretty fucking obvious and not completely and totally scum motivated like you're pretending it must be.

I also think you know that, but have decided to take this line of attack because it sounds awkward and you think you have a decent line of attack as scum.
That's a fine reason to ask Jake for a claim if you are town, but
that wasn't the reason HS gave
. I'm not saying town motivation can't exist, I'm saying that the line of reasoning HS took was not town-motivated. Your argument here is irrelevant to what he actually posted, which you decided to ignore for some reason and instead ascribed some hypothetical town-motivated reasoning to his actions.

Which sangres head am I talking to BTW? Are you both in agreement about your reads on HS/SMP/me?
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Post Post #989 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:57 am

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I have no problem with an SMP lynch, I am just very leery that a last minute scramble is taking place to save shroom. Both of them are on my scum list so i'm really confused by Sangres's scramble
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Post Post #990 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:19 am

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re: six prizes; flicked through the game you linked. i didn't count posts, but compared to posters like mr. spamalot shroom, the cat thing, GIF, the triangle guy, and the bird creature, SMP seemed like a relatively infrequent poster. also his posts tended to be one-liners contrasted to the walls/quote stripes of the game.

so... what are we talking about now? and why is meta involved?
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Post Post #991 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:29 am

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I explained how meta got involved already, I used it as a way to pressure smp and shroom's defense of smp despite attacking him earlier was strange.

not to mention i don't see any obviously pro-town motives from him
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Post Post #992 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:30 am

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In post 989, Jake from State Farm wrote:I have no problem with an SMP lynch, I am just very leery that a last minute scramble is taking place to save shroom. Both of them are on my scum list so i'm really confused by Sangres's scramble
you should be a lot more leery of wagon company like kdub, who belabors the same tired, awkward "rolefish" angle to push the shroom lynch.

unlike smp, shroom seems to have a non-survivalist mindset (e.g. - the painful attempt at slayer's gambit just now). while ultimately feckless, shroom's play lacks scum motivation.
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Post Post #993 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:32 am

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yeah I am but I already said I will just take a long shower if shroom does flip town.

you haven't done a good job convincing me why kdub was scum anyway, i am more leery with smp/mac being on the wagon than I am with kdub
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Post Post #994 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:32 am

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In post 991, Jake from State Farm wrote:I explained how meta got involved already, I used it as a way to pressure smp and shroom's defense of smp despite attacking him earlier was strange.

not to mention i don't see any obviously pro-town motives from him
you're confusing "optimal play" and "town play"

smart =/= town
dumb =/= scum
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Post Post #995 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:36 am

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In post 993, Jake from State Farm wrote:yeah I am but I already said I will just take a long shower if shroom does flip town.

you haven't done a good job convincing me why kdub was scum anyway, i am more leery with smp/mac being on the wagon than I am with kdub
alright

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Post Post #996 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:37 am

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asking for maras approval on who to place our vote on for the DL but i think shes sleeping >.<

ill get back to you all once i get on my lappy this afternoon and i reach her
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Post Post #997 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:45 am

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In post 994, Antihero wrote:
In post 991, Jake from State Farm wrote:I explained how meta got involved already, I used it as a way to pressure smp and shroom's defense of smp despite attacking him earlier was strange.

not to mention i don't see any obviously pro-town motives from him
you're confusing "optimal play" and "town play"

smart =/= town
dumb =/= scum
you just confused me with this post
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Post Post #998 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:46 am

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bert, if you think kdub is scum, the shroom wagon is toxic

...which it is
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Post Post #999 (ISO) » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:51 am

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In post 997, Jake from State Farm wrote:you just confused me with this post
i'm confused about your whole case

so... shroom backs out of a push on his buddy...why? what's the idea behind that?
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