In post 229, roomy wrote:the vorkuta comment is in no way backed up by anything concrete, I just wasn’t entirely sold on his vedith vote. seemed a little left field
Do you disagree with his characterization of vedith? I thought it was pretty accurate
In post 243, Tarkus wrote:Alright. What's obvious about your read on Yellow?
In post 251, Tarkus wrote:Pretty sure BnH was talking about missed or ignored questions asked in 127 and 129, not 193. But you get the general idea I think unless there's something I'm missing too
In post 252, Tarkus wrote:Idk seems reasonable that Morality missed those questions but recognized the tunneling going on
In post 413, Tarkus wrote:Yellow leans scum for me. I'm not really buying his hop onto Morality and BnH as coming from town when he was townreading them and scumreading RC, Roomy, & Creature. Then he was like gg ez after the reads flip?
In post 436, Tarkus wrote:I think yellow was way too eager to hop on board and push the scum theater idea, and now he's backtracking
I'm not backtracking. I still think it could very well be SvS and I said as much.
You said "I think it's possible. Not really sure of their meta though." That's a pretty far backtrack from your attitude in your postings around 293, 339, etc
In post 560, Tarkus wrote:RC I'll chill on yellow for today and let you do your thing. If I'm right you'll see it eventually. You're not hitting scum if you lynch me though and we should do roomy or creature instead. UNVOTE:
In post 574, Tarkus wrote:Roomy lynch would give us more to go on tomorrow
In post 576, Tarkus wrote:Distancing is a decent bet, they both scumread each other pretty early. And I think roomy is one of the scummier players in his own right.
In post 700, RCEnigma wrote:So RC not voting creature despite hyping him up as today's Lynch pinged me in retrospect. Running creature up spews his alignment as obvtown or kbvscum. Which kind of splits the Poe he keeps bringing up.
On top of that I could see RC setting up for late game already, his Poe is part of it, reluctance to Lynch what he called the power slots is another. It gives ScumRC wiggle room late so he can't be poe'd based on the strong players being nightkilled and RC remaining. Which would be one of the stronger points against him.
But yeah back to creature, I think if Creature is town RC is getting town to push creature for him. Or decide not to push him at all since he knows creatures alignment becomes clear close to a Lynch.
lmao, which of these is the worst?
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:41 am
by Creature
Vorkuta is leantown, probably not lynching for a while.
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:42 am
by Creature
CoA's posts aren't as terrible as tarkus, Shoshin and/or RCEnigma and I feel tempted to townlean her, but the lack of activity is NAGL.
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:42 am
by Creature
I dunno about RC and Vedith, should probably look at them if the game doesn't end with tarkus, Shoshin and RCEnigma lynches.
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:43 am
by Yachting n Socializing
VOTE: Tarkus
tbh I cant recall scum Creature even faking the amount of content he has now as low as it is. and I've seen town creature lurk to the point this Creature has. this is all I was waiting for. If hes scum, itll be evident long term but I dont wanna lynch there anymore.
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:44 am
by Yachting n Socializing
In post 982, Creature wrote:CoA's posts aren't as terrible as tarkus, Shoshin and/or RCEnigma and I feel tempted to townlean her, but the lack of activity is NAGL.
RC said she lurks out as scum, do you find that true? The little content she does have seems townie to me in tone and in pushes
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:45 am
by Creature
Towncore:
YellowSnow
Creature
Aurathebirb
Morality
Boats n Hoes
DrDolittle
In post 982, Creature wrote:CoA's posts aren't as terrible as tarkus, Shoshin and/or RCEnigma and I feel tempted to townlean her, but the lack of activity is NAGL.
RC said she lurks out as scum, do you find that true? The little content she does have seems townie to me in tone and in pushes
Yes and I agree with the latter, hence why I wrote the post like that.
In post 928, DrDolittle wrote:i meta'd shoshin's normals briefly, and her play is pretty curt compared to previous (both scum and town), which might indicate a lack of time these days. I didn't find anything particularly salient, other than town-shoshin is more likely to follow up with unanswered q's (sample size 2), and scum-shoshin is more interested in trivialities (sample size 1). Given this, I think I more scum lean shoshin this game due to meta?
Perhaps, but it isnt where we are lynching today.
Radiant should be nicer about that too though. I have seen much worse ICs than Aura is playing, depending how flips go of course. At least hes actually following along and not apathetic due to the shit role IC is.
I could totally get behind a Shoshin. Why is “this isn’t where we’re lynching.” Even a thing that’s said here on Day 1.
You think I'm town? then we arent lynching there d1. just go with it.
Shoshin:
1. Shoshin has only 37 posts, so that's a minus.
2. Started with a naked vote, another minus.
3. Progression on RC looks fake, another minus.
4. Next five posts are nothing interesting, another minus.
5. Three naked votes in a row, doesn't mean shit.
6. 287 looks bleh, another minus.
7. Jumped too early on the hypothesis I'm town, another minus.
8. I got tired reading her posts, another minus (but NAI this time).
In post 560, Tarkus wrote:RC I'll chill on yellow for today and let you do your thing. If I'm right you'll see it eventually. You're not hitting scum if you lynch me though and we should do roomy or creature instead. UNVOTE:
In post 842, Vedith wrote:In the mean time if you can all also rate each other on where you think Scum would most likely be in those names (including me) that will help.
Shoshin:
1. Shoshin has only 37 posts, so that's a minus.
2. Started with a naked vote, another minus.
3. Progression on RC looks fake, another minus.
4. Next five posts are nothing interesting, another minus.
5. Three naked votes in a row, doesn't mean shit.
6. 287 looks bleh, another minus.
7. Jumped too early on the hypothesis I'm town, another minus.
8. I got tired reading her posts, another minus (but NAI this time).
In post 560, Tarkus wrote:RC I'll chill on yellow for today and let you do your thing. If I'm right you'll see it eventually. You're not hitting scum if you lynch me though and we should do roomy or creature instead. UNVOTE:
In post 842, Vedith wrote:In the mean time if you can all also rate each other on where you think Scum would most likely be in those names (including me) that will help.
And this is useless rambling as I think you're town now but half of these arent reads -_-
Even if they aren't, the other half easily beats most other players.
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:49 am
by Morality
I’m being pocketed by Creature.
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:52 am
by Morality
Replace RCEnigma with COA, and I could see that being the scum team if Creature’s town.
If Creature’s scum then he’s probably been throwing a scummate under the bus. Probably Shoshin
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:52 am
by Morality
Creature also left Shoshin a way to get “unscumread” so I could see Shoshin/Creature pairing.
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:56 am
by Yachting n Socializing
Creature busses frequently as scum iirc, but I think this is town Creature.
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:57 am
by Yachting n Socializing
In post 986, Creature wrote:Towncore:
YellowSnow
Creature
Aurathebirb
Morality
Boats n Hoes
DrDolittle
Townlean:
CultofAthena
Vorkuta
Snowflakes:
RadiantCowbells
Vedith
Garbage:
RCEnigma
Shoshin
Tarkus
heh, very very close to my reads. swap vorkura and snow, and morality and rc, and maybe move ddl to town lean it's on the line.
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:05 am
by YellowSnow
What is COA and Soshin's scum meta?
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:08 am
by Yachting n Socializing
@RC, Creature read now? Do you agree with me?
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:20 am
by Aurathebirb
I mean I really don't like to be this reliant on meta-reads. So I'm probably going to take everything that people say in that area with a grain of salt.
Any scum player is going to attempt to replicate their town meta as scum. And the fact that Creature's scum meta has been labeled as very obviously different from his town meta means that he can easily fake being town if he wants to. (That said, see below)
Similarly, I'm hesitant about any entirely meta based reads of players who are considered to be very good. Someone in that category of player would know what kind of things they are likely to be town read for. I'd be more curious to know if anyone looks like they're playing to their town meta, but in a way that looks forced.
I'm not for policy lynching anyone. I don't even know who would constitute a policy lynch.
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Upon reread of Creature's ISO, I'm inclined to lean towards him being town right now.
*can't decide the best way to make the first post*
In particular the way Creature enters the thread is not consistent with what I'd expect from scum. It takes a very long time for him to offer a reason for his previous absence, and he doesn't really defend himself when pushed.
In post 602, Creature wrote:Say one name, I'll try to make atleast 5 lines (or 5 posts) about them.
Asking for other people to do part of the work for him leans towards town sided for me as well.
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I changed my mind on Creature and RC being a possible S/S, that doesn't make as much sense now imo.
Creature's other posts seem slightly town like. I don't really see anything that sticks out as very scummy either. While I'm not very confident about my town read on him I also don't think its a good idea to lynch him at the present time.
If anyone still wishes to push Creature, I'd like to hear a less meta reason for why its a good idea. The reasoning of the main argument against him seems quite flimsy.
