Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Gentleman 4]

To not beat around the bush too much more, it wasn't much more than twenty pages ago that Lady 4 and Lady 7 were your top scum reads. I think it's very apparent that Ladies 4 and 7 have a very good handle on what is going on in mafia and how the pieces fit together, and I, personally, would be very hesitant to match with any capable player that I wasn't reasonably solid (for the first phase of the game with no flips) on the alignment of. Both women have made it relatively obvious they're experienced and I'd rather you weren't devoured alive because you made a poor choice in match making. If your read from earlier has changed on both those ladies with the awareness of your previous read, great, my hesitation melts like an ice cube on the equator, but based on what you've said previously, I'd rather you at least strongly considered your previous stances before making this choice.

Especially because you seem to be pretty widely town read by most other players, I think it would be wise to match with someone you think is likely town, but isn't too large a threat that it becomes obvious you must die. I also like that you have provided relatively unique stances in the game and it has helped anchor me in my own reads and approaches, and I'd prefer that not be marred too fiercely by a woman you don't particularly agree with. I hope against hope that the lady you match with meets you in discussion, not control. I'm doing my best to approach from your stand point because I'd really prefer you didn't try to approach it from mine, and I'm merely trying to give you advice, so if anything here seems untrue to you, please ignore it.

[Gentleman 6]

What do you question my motives for? Sorry if you've felt neglected, I've been kinda sitting on a lot of stuff waiting to have a partner to go over it with.

[Lady 2]

Who are you looking to pair with Lady 2?

I'd be open to G6 but he doesn't have eyes for me. I've thought about G1 (needs to start posting again tho) and G7 (though I've questioned whether he's Town quite a bit) as potentially attractive partners.

[Lady 8]

Is this a town-slip? All of dance games have been 1:2 or 2:1 for scum ratios.

How would this be a townslip?

Lack of knowledge of setup?

[Gentleman 5]

I would just love it if we could not do alt guesses at all. Meta is a shifty beast in the first place, and vastly worse here. Also, for the spirit of the game.

This deserves a pagetop.

@G6: I should townread G3, but I dont. Idk why. 4 reads to me as irrelevant town at this point. I think youre town. Everyone else hasnt stuck to me yet (G2 is IC)

[Gentleman 5]

Is this a town-slip? All of dance games have been 1:2 or 2:1 for scum ratios.

How would this be a townslip?

Lack of knowledge of setup?

Whats your point your trying to prove? That im town because of setup spec?

[Lady 7]

What do you question my motives for? Sorry if you've felt neglected, I've been kinda sitting on a lot of stuff waiting to have a partner to go over it with.

Nothing, probably just a coincidence and I’m being silly!

[Gentleman 4]

I know it’s a pt not qt by the way I just like the way qt sounds better.

... something something something some flirtatious remark about you being a qt.

Lady 2, if you could pick three people to be left out right now, who would you choose?

Dann isn't here anymore. This comment was supposed to be funny, but I'm not perfectly certain how to convey that through text.

What makes you want to leave behind Miss 8?

Yeah that was a mobile autocorrect for "damn", RIP dann.

L8 ... has done a whole lot of nothing? Okay, she's not alone exactly in that regard, maybe L3 is comparable but she's interactive in ways I feel L8 hasn't been. It feels like she's said words but they haven't been words that accomplish stuff. And also looking back her sheeping of G6's reasoning on L5 (L5 being only jokey is something he thinks more likely to come from Town) is kind of icky for me, especially considering the proportion of L8's contributions that had to do with L5's posting style stuff early. I don't know, I see almost no townvibe stuff in her contributions and not even an in to question if more can come of it the way I ha've like with like G7. Like if G6 was still interested in pairing with her I'd be okay with that and maybe we could get a better read from that going forward. But even G6 isn't looking for that anymore and I'm happy for him to pair with L7 or L4 if he wants, there's plenty if utility waiting there.

Lady 8 has more posts than five of the other players, including yourself, most of which are game related and include reads and stances on players or genuinely add to the game in a productive manner, at least in my opinion. I don't really see where she's sheeping Gentleman 6 on Lady 5 as far as thinking that players making jokes is indicative of town, could you quote that post for me?
I get the impression your read on her is mostly based on your very early impressions, that you began to somewhat skim her posts and now you only have a shadow of a read on her, do you think this is true or false?

[Gentleman 4]

@Gentleman 5 I assume you intended to respond to this post, you said Gentleman 6, though? Correct me if I'm wrong in this assertion.

I need to start reading the gentlemen.

For some reason I find them harder to read than the ladies.

Any gentlemen in particular you find difficult to read?

Anyways,

I would just love it if we could not do alt guesses at all. Meta is a shifty beast in the first place, and vastly worse here. Also, for the spirit of the game.

This deserves a pagetop.

@G6: I should townread G3, but I dont. Idk why. 4 reads to me as irrelevant town at this point. I think youre town. Everyone else hasnt stuck to me yet (G2 is IC)

Why do you think you should town read G3?
What does it mean to be irrelevant town?

[Gentleman 5]

I would just love it if we could not do alt guesses at all. Meta is a shifty beast in the first place, and vastly worse here. Also, for the spirit of the game.

This deserves a pagetop.

@G6: I should townread G3, but I dont. Idk why. 4 reads to me as irrelevant town at this point. I think youre town. Everyone else hasnt stuck to me yet (G2 is IC)

Bolded is my response to G4. I guess I have G6 on my mind.

Back when you were Rick, your posts seemed to have nothing of import, but townie enough that I put you in the townie pile and moved on.

As with G3, his activity and honest posting from the begining was good, and yet I dont want to put him down as town yet. It warrants a closer look later

[Gentleman 4]

I... this might be a question that just goes unanswered, but if you have a response, I'd love to hear it; what about Gentleman 3's early posting seemed honest to you?

[Lady 7]

Bleh I’m gonna try to go to sleep I’m exhausted. G6 maybe I’m being silly on my concerns about uncertainty in reads. I’m not good on the self-promotion front; it makes me feel weird. I just think you should choose who you think is town and that you can work with best. I wouldn’t mind working with you though.

[Lady 2]

Lady 8 has more posts than five of the other players, including yourself, most of which are game related and include reads and stances on players or genuinely add to the game in a productive manner, at least in my opinion. I don't really see where she's sheeping Gentleman 6 on Lady 5 as far as thinking that players making jokes is indicative of town, could you quote that post for me?
I get the impression your read on her is mostly based on your very early impressions, that you began to somewhat skim her posts and now you only have a shadow of a read on her, do you think this is true or false?

Why are we arguing whether smiley faces are AI?

I think that's an oversimplification of the discussion. But anyway, offer something else to talk about if you have a problem with it.

This is that post. It's not a strong "sheep" as such, but it's a lame coda to a series of mediocre posts from L8 mainly about L5's posting style. Okay L8 has more posts than me. So what? I don't think they contributed much and I think that they don't contribute much in a way that means scummy. There's a lot of pointless mild interjections, a lot of non-content content like this stuff about G5 "Townslipping" because that's not what it is. If her contributions look good to you, well, fine, I'm not seeing it. I've gone through her ISO. I care about evaluating and understanding this read. Yes at this point I'd say she's in my top three players I'd like to see left out. If one of my Townreads wanted to invite her and read her and work with her it might be a different story. But im not seeing that.

[Gentleman 6]

G4, which ladies are you looking at?

[Gentleman 4]

This is that post. It's not a strong "sheep" as such, but it's a lame coda to a series of mediocre posts from L8 mainly about L5's posting style. Okay L8 has more posts than me. So what? I don't think they contributed much and I think that they don't contribute much in a way that means scummy. There's a lot of pointless mild interjections, a lot of non-content content like this stuff about G5 "Townslipping" because that's not what it is. If her contributions look good to you, well, fine, I'm not seeing it. I've gone through her ISO. I care about evaluating and understanding this read. Yes at this point I'd say she's in my top three players I'd like to see left out. If one of my Townreads wanted to invite her and read her and work with her it might be a different story. But im not seeing that.

Alright, I apologize, I didn't mean to rudely assert you were not paying attention, only to offer you a way out if you were not. I must admit that try as I might I can't really understand where you're coming from, but I respect your stance.

G4, which ladies are you looking at?

I know their activity in the thread hasn't been particularly high (and that this is something you were considering a bit more), but I think Lady 2 and Lady 8 are both worth your consideration. Neither is particularly heavily town read or scum read, both have solid potential to be town, and both propose opinion instead of using a more forceful method (whether intentional or not). I think on both ends that pairing off with one of these two would both increase their activity and help you balance your thoughts without risk of things getting too manipulative.

[Gentleman 2]

Please do not make assumptions about what is surely a random setup.

I just liked the dude, lol. This post alone tells me you're not an improvement and we probably aren't going to get along.

Forgive me for not giving a shit. I'm not into popsicle chicks anyways, have fun standing on the sidelines watching us cool kids dance.

I don't think I've done anything to merit this attitude.

I care not. You've made a judgement based off one post where I was making a joke. Which tells me you are judgemental and quick to assume things of people.

I can be as cocky as I want because I've been mod confirmed to be town. What do you gain from shitting on me?

[Gentleman 6]

You're not an improvement isn't the same as shitting on you if she liked the first person...

[Gentleman 2]

Please do not make me hate this game.

If you can't handle the heat of the kitchen where else can I banish you to?

[Gentleman 2]

You're not an improvement isn't the same as shitting on you if she liked the first person...

Who asked you? Mind your business.

[Gentleman 6]

Can you give this shtick a rest?

[Gentleman 2]

There's some sort of stanford prison guard experiment thing going on where alot of the gentlemen are in their roles as douchey guys at a club.

Here comes ladies White Knight riding in to save them. I'm sure you're really just a nice guy and only if girls could see that they'd stop running around with all those Chads.

[Gentleman 2]

Can you give this shtick a rest?

Oh hell no.

I rarely ever have the ability to play the way I want to play without risk of being scum read for it.

I am town and unimpuningly so. This is where my gloves come off and you are going to get what you get.

[Gentleman 2]

Treating another player disrespectfully or intentionally aggravating someone you aren't sure is scum is anti-town play. It's a tactic that can be used by scum to make it more difficult to read that player for several reasons. To see a mod-confirmed town player do this to another player that is quite likely town just reveals inexperience/lack of ability or awareness.

Yawn.

Maybe on the level you play at that makes sense, but that's why you're playing checkers and I'm playing chess.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm kind of awed right now.

[Gentleman 2]

I have that effect on all genders.