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[Hectic]

Hate to break it to you, but you're favourite to get lynched here, Gamma. I'd start placing bets but I have faith in your ability to prove us wrong.

still, gonna put a small bet on now just in case

[Hectic]

Hmmm I'm struggling to read people for the most part here. Not really finding any SRs so far other than that early Holden ping which is odd for me.

Honestly, I'm kinda feeling the same way rn. I have no real scum reads and a few weak town leans on cakez, dave and hectic.

I town read all these players

-Hectic was the target of many actions, no one is jumping up and saying 'this is potentially a guilty' so I'm assuming nothing untowards
-Cakez flipped town
-Dave, I think I've seen a dave town tell but it only happened recently


so the weird thing is, even though it's weak, Aaron got 3 reads 'right' as far as my mind is working, way earlier in the game. I don't mean to infer that this is not possible or I am a superior player obviously - but I'm obviously getting at the point that scum just know so it could easily be that.

You're scumreading Aaron because he got 3 reads right, 2 of which might still be wrong? You're using your own assessment of your townreads on Hectic/Dave to establish AaronFF is probably right about them, and TMIed them early. That's... not great reasoning, especially since AFF listed them as "weak town leans".

Well I dont see any players putting billboards up with the game solve on so...

No, but my point is that your reason for scumreading Aaron relies on you being right on 2 townreads, and thinking that AaronFF was TMI reading them town rather than actually just having decent reads early.

That's a lot of assumptions to make.

So, do you get why I see this as alarming, profii?

[Gamma Emerald]

I legit don’t have one rn

[Morning Tweet]

Gamma could you do a light reread and give a thought on maybe like just one player?

Morning:

Why did you stay on profii for the entirety of yesterday, despite you being the only person not voting for one of the two wagons (Aloratom and tictac). profii clearly wasn't going to happen, so why didn't you pick a side?

Regardless of tictac-Chem's alignment, i felt the case was good enough where scum would jump on if Alo is scum (or its TvT), as a counterwagon, or if tictac is scum, as a bus. additionally, when profii joined it, it gave me a sense of validation on that read.

as for alo, i didnt agree with Dave/Wakes original reason for voting and never got anything from Alo that could possibly override tictac-chem's behaviour coupled with the tictac meta

i probably should've made it more clear, but id have voted to finish off either wagon if it was required, i wasnt expecting profii to be lynched instead or anything like that

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe in a bit

Currently doing a very tedious thing for my dad

[profii]

Hmmm I'm struggling to read people for the most part here. Not really finding any SRs so far other than that early Holden ping which is odd for me.

Honestly, I'm kinda feeling the same way rn. I have no real scum reads and a few weak town leans on cakez, dave and hectic.

I town read all these players

-Hectic was the target of many actions, no one is jumping up and saying 'this is potentially a guilty' so I'm assuming nothing untowards
-Cakez flipped town
-Dave, I think I've seen a dave town tell but it only happened recently


so the weird thing is, even though it's weak, Aaron got 3 reads 'right' as far as my mind is working, way earlier in the game. I don't mean to infer that this is not possible or I am a superior player obviously - but I'm obviously getting at the point that scum just know so it could easily be that.

You're scumreading Aaron because he got 3 reads right, 2 of which might still be wrong? You're using your own assessment of your townreads on Hectic/Dave to establish AaronFF is probably right about them, and TMIed them early. That's... not great reasoning, especially since AFF listed them as "weak town leans".

Well I dont see any players putting billboards up with the game solve on so...

No, but my point is that your reason for scumreading Aaron relies on you being right on 2 townreads, and thinking that AaronFF was TMI reading them town rather than actually just having decent reads early.

That's a lot of assumptions to make.

So, do you get why I see this as alarming, profii?

Of course I do, but do you get why I'm still going to stick to my instinct?

[HoldenGolden]

Why is Bob doing VCA in D2

Its not a full VCA; its not necessarily analyzing the motives for everyone coming onto the wagons and seems more him removing wake from it due to the town read. I do find it funny posts like that get called VCA though when a VCA in theory is much more indepth.

Gamma where are you at game and read wise? You feel reserved.

I’m pretty much nowhere when it comes to the game but I’ll get there eventually. Reads I’ll politely decline to answer.

Now please answer me straight for my question because that is just subverting it.

Im not sure how me making a general comment about the application of VCAs is subverting your question, since it's not even really geared to me, but it's due to Bob's logic focusing around wagon dynamics and thus seems like him posting something for himself to refer to.

[HoldenGolden]

V/LA notice till May 1st. Finals week and got final papers and exams coming up. Will attempt to play when able.

I will try to play some later today since I've been neglecting this game, but I got two lengthy essays that need finalization before Monday.

[Hectic]

Gamma could you do a light reread and give a thought on maybe like just one player?

Morning:

Why did you stay on profii for the entirety of yesterday, despite you being the only person not voting for one of the two wagons (Aloratom and tictac). profii clearly wasn't going to happen, so why didn't you pick a side?

Regardless of tictac-Chem's alignment, i felt the case was good enough where scum would jump on if Alo is scum (or its TvT), as a counterwagon, or if tictac is scum, as a bus. additionally, when profii joined it, it gave me a sense of validation on that read.

as for alo, i didnt agree with Dave/Wakes original reason for voting and never got anything from Alo that could possibly override tictac-chem's behaviour coupled with the tictac meta

i probably should've made it more clear, but id have voted to finish off either wagon if it was required, i wasnt expecting profii to be lynched instead or anything like that

Alright, your explanation for your thought process does sound somewhat reasonable. I just find it interesting how you're focusing so much on scum bussing while being off the wagon yourself.

If you are scum, I think it's almost certainly with someone off wagon in {davesaz, AaronFrost, Waka Waka, bobman}

Morning + AaronFFrost
Morning + Waka Waka
Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

AFF is still town based on meta. Waka Waka is quite clearly a town watcher with the way he claimed. So:

Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

You and Dave both wouldn't target me as scum PRs. So:

Morning + bobman

bobman interestingly enough, you seem to have labelled a bobman as a "it's weird but it's a bobman" read in 755 and 622. You also called a bobman confusing and possibly defending his buddy in 939 and 942, but you've not asked one bobman any question or attempted to solve the bobman in any way today.

I honestly think that if Morning is scum here, bobman is kinda very likely to be her partner.

This is for post game more than anything at the moment though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is Bob doing VCA in D2

Its not a full VCA; its not necessarily analyzing the motives for everyone coming onto the wagons and seems more him removing wake from it due to the town read. I do find it funny posts like that get called VCA though when a VCA in theory is much more indepth.

Gamma where are you at game and read wise? You feel reserved.

I’m pretty much nowhere when it comes to the game but I’ll get there eventually. Reads I’ll politely decline to answer.

Now please answer me straight for my question because that is just subverting it.

Im not sure how me making a general comment about the application of VCAs is subverting your question, since it's not even really geared to me, but it's due to Bob's logic focusing around wagon dynamics and thus seems like him posting something for himself to refer to.

This answer is actually pretty good, thanks

[Morning Tweet]

Alright, your explanation for your thought process does sound somewhat reasonable. I just find it interesting how you're focusing so much on scum bussing while being off the wagon yourself.

If you are scum, I think it's almost certainly with someone off wagon in {davesaz, AaronFrost, Waka Waka, bobman}

Morning + AaronFFrost
Morning + Waka Waka
Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

AFF is still town based on meta. Waka Waka is quite clearly a town watcher with the way he claimed. So:

Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

You and Dave both wouldn't target me as scum PRs. So:

Morning + bobman

bobman interestingly enough, you seem to have labelled a bobman as a "it's weird but it's a bobman" read in 755 and 622. You also called a bobman confusing and possibly defending his buddy in 939 and 942, but you've not asked one bobman any question or attempted to solve the bobman in any way today.

I honestly think that if Morning is scum here, bobman is kinda very likely to be her partner.

This is for post game more than anything at the moment though.

im too intimidated by Bob's scumhunting prowess to question him

the main question i had was pretty much "If Chem was 50/50, why would you not vote her", which i think Aaron if not multiple others asked, and i learned pretty much nothing from his responses. and now today he's mostly doing a pseudo VCA thing that im not sure how to approach asking about

why are you suddenly doing a full on examination of potential scum pairings with me in them? Not to mention, you remove all possible scum partners on the tictac wagon because apparently id be too scared to implicate them..?

i also dont know your aaron meta read, but I think you probably already explained it and i just need to check back on it

[Klick]

Wake88 has been prodded.

[Wake1]

*sigh*

I'm here.

Still haven't lynched anyone yet? Boring.

[Wake1]

Not seeing a VC anywhere.

I don't think we should have been so quick to dismiss the Watcher results.

IF Hectic is Town I HIGHLY DOUBT there's two other Town PRs besides me that targeted Hectic.

Chances are one of Morning Tweet or davesaz is Scum.

Why are people ignoring this?

[profii]

Were not speculating on PRs rememeber !

[Wake1]

That's idiotic, especially if there's a high chance of Scum being in there.

You should know better, profii.

[Wake1]

Gamma could you do a light reread and give a thought on maybe like just one player?

Morning:

Why did you stay on profii for the entirety of yesterday, despite you being the only person not voting for one of the two wagons (Aloratom and tictac). profii clearly wasn't going to happen, so why didn't you pick a side?

Regardless of tictac-Chem's alignment, i felt the case was good enough where scum would jump on if Alo is scum (or its TvT), as a counterwagon, or if tictac is scum, as a bus. additionally, when profii joined it, it gave me a sense of validation on that read.

as for alo, i didnt agree with Dave/Wakes original reason for voting and never got anything from Alo that could possibly override tictac-chem's behaviour coupled with the tictac meta

i probably should've made it more clear, but id have voted to finish off either wagon if it was required, i wasnt expecting profii to be lynched instead or anything like that

Alright, your explanation for your thought process does sound somewhat reasonable. I just find it interesting how you're focusing so much on scum bussing while being off the wagon yourself.

If you are scum, I think it's almost certainly with someone off wagon in {davesaz, AaronFrost, Waka Waka, bobman}

Morning + AaronFFrost
Morning + Waka Waka
Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

AFF is still town based on meta. Waka Waka is quite clearly a town watcher with the way he claimed. So:

Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

You and Dave both wouldn't target me as scum PRs. So:

Morning + bobman

bobman interestingly enough, you seem to have labelled a bobman as a "it's weird but it's a bobman" read in 755 and 622. You also called a bobman confusing and possibly defending his buddy in 939 and 942, but you've not asked one bobman any question or attempted to solve the bobman in any way today.

I honestly think that if Morning is scum here, bobman is kinda very likely to be her partner.

This is for post game more than anything at the moment though.

Interesting that my name popped up.

I would have you explain that, Hectic.

[Klick]

Votecount 2.04

Gamma Emerald (4): Morning Tweet, Hectic, Adorable, Aloratom
Aloratom (1): AaronFrost
AaronFrost (1): profii
HoldenGolden (0):
profii (0):
davesaz (0):
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting: HoldenGolden, Gamma Emerald, davesaz, bob3141, Wake88

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-05-01 23:00:00).

AaronFrost is V/LA until the 29th.
HoldenGolden is V/LA until May 1st.

[Wake1]

I'm not sure about Gamma being Scum.

Aloratom still lives, and Morning Tweet and Davesaz are viable suspects.

My gut is kind of bothering me about Bob, but I can't tell atm.

[Wake1]

Hate to break it to you, but you're favourite to get lynched here, Gamma. I'd start placing bets but I have faith in your ability to prove us wrong.

still, gonna put a small bet on now just in case

Why exactly is he the favorite, though?

[profii]

That's idiotic, especially if there's a high chance of Scum being in there.

You should know better, profii.

I should have demonstrated my petulance with more emojis

I am not against a bit of consideration to your point at all

[Wake1]

That's idiotic, especially if there's a high chance of Scum being in there.

You should know better, profii.

I should have demonstrated my petulance with more emojis

I am not against a bit of consideration to your point at all

What exactly are you saying?

Speak plainly.

[Hectic]

Alright, your explanation for your thought process does sound somewhat reasonable. I just find it interesting how you're focusing so much on scum bussing while being off the wagon yourself.

If you are scum, I think it's almost certainly with someone off wagon in {davesaz, AaronFrost, Waka Waka, bobman}

Morning + AaronFFrost
Morning + Waka Waka
Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

AFF is still town based on meta. Waka Waka is quite clearly a town watcher with the way he claimed. So:

Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

You and Dave both wouldn't target me as scum PRs. So:

Morning + bobman

bobman interestingly enough, you seem to have labelled a bobman as a "it's weird but it's a bobman" read in 755 and 622. You also called a bobman confusing and possibly defending his buddy in 939 and 942, but you've not asked one bobman any question or attempted to solve the bobman in any way today.

I honestly think that if Morning is scum here, bobman is kinda very likely to be her partner.

This is for post game more than anything at the moment though.

im too intimidated by Bob's scumhunting prowess to question him

the main question i had was pretty much "If Chem was 50/50, why would you not vote her", which i think Aaron if not multiple others asked, and i learned pretty much nothing from his responses. and now today he's mostly doing a pseudo VCA thing that im not sure how to approach asking about

why are you suddenly doing a full on examination of potential scum pairings with me in them? Not to mention, you remove all possible scum partners on the tictac wagon because apparently id be too scared to implicate them..?

i also dont know your aaron meta read, but I think you probably already explained it and i just need to check back on it

It's okay, his typos per post rate is currently pretty low.

Your approach is designating lynches on the wagon of the scum-lynch, which is massively advantageous to you if you're scum with someone off-wagon. That's why I'm looking into it.

Regarding AaronFF: It's a metaread based on how open and transparent he's being. His lack of reads early game was also town-indicative; scum!Aaron in the past has entered the gate with very confident early reads that aren't justified.

[Hectic]

Interesting that my name popped up.

I would have you explain that, Hectic.

What do you want explained about it?

Hate to break it to you, but you're favourite to get lynched here, Gamma. I'd start placing bets but I have faith in your ability to prove us wrong.

still, gonna put a small bet on now just in case

Why exactly is he the favorite, though?

Because he has this star quality about him; it's hard to describe. He also has the most votes. The case on him as that he's been very disengaged and has struggled to make reads/stances.

[Hectic]

However, even then this is pretty much the kind of player I expected Hectic to be in regular games. im not convinced that meming around is a scumtell for Hectic. Unless I'm misinterpreting the case

Hectic's memeing isn't AI, that's just the Hectic I know and love (<3). Having played with him enough seeing both his town and scum games I think I have a decent tell on him that's related to his gimmicks which is why I need to know if his questions are serious.

AaronFF, wouldn't revealing this tell on me defeat the question of asking me whether my questions were serious? Aren't I just going to answer no as scum no matter what?