In post 969, bob3141 wrote:prana interesting that you would pick that out. Only after two other playesr but ignor my posts for you entirely
VOTE: Prana
"only after two other players"
What bullshit is that?
"Unless you were online and reading before someone else said something, you're not allowed to also think the same things"? Fuck off with that nonsense.
Also, we'll return to this at the bottom.
In post 970, Hoopla wrote:
so, you're still reading flippy as scum?
you were around at the time of his claim, and decided to respond to an unrelated notscience post, which was your only contribution during this critical passage of play;
In post 907, PranaDevil wrote: In post 885, notscience wrote:Honestly my biggest issue with him is how he’s been under the radar all game. I think he’s sitting exactly where scum would hide best and that deserves scrutiny- I don’t really remember ANYONE having anything substantial to say about him- and he’s the only real player sans bob who’s just catching up as his lurking predecessor never said anything either. He’s not making waves and he’s in that bunch of people saying they’re late game players like that gets taken into account when deciding to Lynch d1?
I mean... it's not like there's a recently finished game I was in, where one of the players (Una) was in that game... and where I was town and played no differently could be viewed is it?
Oh wait... there is.
this shows you were up-to-date with the game and reading along. so, why did replying to this take precedence over commenting on flippy's claim? especially since you apparently still scumread him - a contrary view to most of the town.
it appears to me that you lurked through that whole passage of play.
Claims can be made up, that reads like a lot of words thrown together as a claim.
By the same token, I was in the same game with Una with the absolute shit show of a set-up.
So... I could sit here talking bollocks about how the claim sounds like a mess, but that the mod could have added a mess of a role into it etc. But that just boils into "here's a mess of WIFOM that harms town", so it was more pro-town to not get into that and treat it as the null that it is at this moment in time. I shall expect that to change if something useful comes from it.
Commenting on every little tiny thing is pointless, and my earlier comment about people spamming multiple posts in here is not specifically aimed at Flippy (though he was by far the worst offender), but ANYONE who spams in a bunch of posts, each with a single line reply... they aren't posting "quality" posts... that's just people being super suspicious as far as I'm concerned as they want to bump their post counts up to avoid suspicion when people "look at the lurkers"... fuck that noise. If your only considering is number of posts, and not what they've posted... you've already fucked it.
In post 972, CooLDoG wrote:I'm voting una because I want to and he isn't the best player and the reads and analyis. I agree with prama that the people on the wagon are probably bad faith actors, but fuck it at this point it.
Prama hopping to defend based upon secondary reasons is kinda garbage as well...
Not really.
It's a late wagon, clearly built to get people off the original wagons, in which BOTH of the original wagons are on... Nobody is going to tell me that scum is going to create a second wagon to compete with their own, and have it be a scum wagon as well... so if I believe both Gobbledy AND Hoopla are scum, as I do... there's a zero percent chance Una is.
I'll still take an Una lynch over no lynch as it gives info, but the fact two of my three scum reads are on him, AND they both got the wagon going under bullshit reasoning... nah, there be scum on that wagon.
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Now... back to bob.
First "posts" is "post"
Second....
In post 842, bob3141 wrote: In post 808, PranaDevil wrote:
Not the hardest reads to find considering I've deliberately not been pumping my post count through the roof by posting utter garbage posts like some people have been, nor splitting my responses to a handful of posts up into multiple responses when it could go into one post for easier ISO'ing later.
In post 802, Hoopla wrote:how about we all attempt a flippy speedlynch instead of dancing around the topic? seems like it's on everyone's mind.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: flippy nips
This is interesting too...
Hoopla says she wants a lynch decided by halfway through the day.... and now shifts where there is an actual wagon away to someone who is no longer being wagoned... that does not add up either.
I think I'm confident on my Hoopla Scum feeling and the fact she's trying to pull attention away from the turkey makes me happier there. I'm less certain about Flippy though considering that's where she's pushing now, but that could be a double bluff, and that gets into WIFOM territory right now, so I won't think much beyond it. I'm even happier about the roast dinner now than I was before though.
The premise of this posts makes no sense. Feels to much liek its been run through the wrangler to get desired position rather than an organic conclusion.
First bit looks like a indirect attempt to shade a persons posts and posts in the thread in general that differ from his projected view point. Feels like an attempt to marginalise players of different view points without even emphasizing rather than directly challenging them.
The second is just plain illogical. Making the fact a player might want another lynch to the one going a scummy thing feels liek a reach. Quite often a player will want another lynched simply because they feel better about the lynch. Its seems the player is trying to form a connection based on two unkowns.
Now if gooble had already flipped scum. Then maybe a push way would be suspect. But at the moment it just looks liek scum trying to push a scum case by trying to throw possible scum teams out there. Somethign ive seen done sveral times when town was on teh verge of mislynching. Or even about to lynch scum and they use the partner case. to guess what move teh lynch to the accused partner.
I will have to look at the gooble case but im not liking this ropping in of other players during such an early phase when we have no flips.
Why are you so sure this is s/s with no potential to be s/t. Ive pleanty of times town push against the the scum lynch.
Your first bit makes no sense. There is literally nothing I said that could be seen to "marginalise players of different view points". I was responding to someone asking what my reads were, and merely suggesting a quick ISO would answer that immediately, because I haven't been inflating my post count needlessly.
The second bit is clear. In fact... it's MORE interesting now she dived over onto Una... Hoopla keeps saying she wants a wagon, and she wants a serious wagon before we get halfway through the day... yet as we started to get a serious wagon, she started to push another wagon... and now she gets information from it, rather than joining a wagon that's already there, she helps push Una... a non-wagon at that time.
You do not get to suggest that we should build a wagon as town, and then do your damndest to prevent a wagon forming. Day sodding 1 you have zero knowledge about anyone unless you are scum. If anyone here honestly thinks they are better than a coin flip on hitting scum day 1 then they are lying, or actively know the scum team.
I do not believe Hoopla is being pro-town in her actions. Her words are definitely interesting, and potentially useful, but what she says, and what she does, are two different things entirely, and that is why I believe it's scummy. She's taking a town leader type of role, while not doing what she tells others to do... which to me is very much "push someone to L-1... in fact push this person to L-1, not those wagons... no only the one I want". So now people are diving on the Una wagon, and I don't like it... I very much don't like it.
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