Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[JamSV]

Jam, keep your eye on the prize.
Clark is scum.
Looker is a distraction.

We can work out if its a distraction as town or as scum. We can get more from Looker atm than from Clark. I'm not looking at only one prize.

[Battle Mage]

Jam, keep your eye on the prize.
Clark is scum.
Looker is a distraction.

We can work out if its a distraction as town or as scum. We can get more from Looker atm than from Clark. I'm not looking at only one prize.

Dude, it's Looker. He might be town, he might be scum, he won't give much indication either way, and we'll figure it out only when we absolutely have to.

I'm much more into Clark because:

a. I have a theory which I want to test.
b. I'm not impressed with the way he ducked my questions on previous page.

VOTE: Clark

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: 72offsuit

I disagree with those feeling 72 is town after that turn. I explained the reasons for the opposite Day 1.

Clark and Raya are still some of my favorites and Battle Mage is now also suspect to me.

Jamesv is weird...

No thoughts on Looker yet. Most of my thinking is still based off Homuras play which I will revisit.

Current areadlist scum to less scum.
72 confident here.
Raya
Clark
battle mage
Looker
Jamsv

I see a few potential scum pairings too.
72 and Clark or BM and Clark. I have no pairing for Raya currently.

Quick thoughts, I'm tired tonight and will check back in tomorrow.

Why do you scumread me if i scumread your other top 3 scumreadas. Non sequitur. It does not follow.

This doesn't make sense. You've heard of distancing right?

[Battle Mage]

jesus christ. i'm alive and all my suspects are dead

and town

.

I'm sure I'm getting NKed tonight when you flip scum anyway, but they'll lynch your obvscum buddy Quick tomorrow thanks to me!

This tough for me, and somewhat WIFOMEY (apologies for using an acronym as a verb) but would scum NK their biggest scum-read? Anybody is free to weigh in here.

it's WIFOM really, but yeah, as a general rule I probably wouldn't because it basically pins you on 2 mis-elims and discredits your reads.

Having said that, he suspected me too, so 3 probable explanations for the NK:

1. I killed Quick because he suspected me.
2. Someone else killed Quick to make me look bad.
3. Someone killed Quick because they thought he was a PR, or he was an SE (although little evidence of either that I saw).

Why include yourself in the explanations....

Trying to be helpful by setting out all the possible options (obviously it isn't 1 but not everyone knows that).

[Battle Mage]

Spoiler:

Looker replaced Homura: Lurky as fuck. How can I read this?

I'm not lurky, you just have nothing better to do with your time. You made 72 posts in the course of a day. I have things to do, a job, and an occupation where I don't have access to my phone.

Flip preferences: 29% Porkens | 20% JamSV | 16% Raya | 14% ThirteenthJT or LicketyQuick | 12% Battle Mage | 9% 72offsuit | 0% ClarkBar

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I've been working longer hours so I'm more irritated by the time I get home. Sorry. LuckyLuciano is not a bad person. His fakeclaim and AtE are still scummy, though.

Okay so important question, I'm going to assume, that it is in order of scum likeliness, such that the higher percentage we have, the scummier we are. In that regards, why is Clark 0%, a perfect town read, I find it interesting given none of us have him as our strongest town read. Can we interpret it as mason buddies / scum buddies, as realistically, even if I was convinced Battle Mage was the towniest town that town has ever seen, there's still a chance something could change and I'd want to remove him, the 0% seems suspicious if we consider % by scum likeliness.

If we consider % instead by removing based off of scum likeliness + you liking their play style, I think the 0% on Clark and the 9% on A9offsuit makes less sense. I'd like an explanation on 72offsuit's if that's the case.

As such, instead of leaving this up to interpretation what %s represent and why you have the numbers, could you care to order us by scum likeliness?

I don't understand which words you were trying to put in my mouth. Either way, you didn't wait for my explanation before you hammered.

I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.

A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.

Spoiler:

Now as we know, Looker gave Clark a 0% chance to be scum based off of who voted him, and who he voted for. He voted for Looker himself, and Porkens. Obviously he will treat himself as town, that means voting for Porkens does not make you scum at all, meaning Looker scum reads Porkens.

By those standards, myself, LicketyQuickety, and Raya36 should have lower %s by his standards. That isn't the case though. Meaning, those who voted for us, make us scum. In my case, based off of Mod vote counts, nobody has voted for me, yet I'm the 2nd highest to be scum for it, weird. This is strike 1 for his post being nonsensical.

Raya was voted for by TTJT and 72os, and voted Porkens and LicketyQuickety, from this we can assume Looker town reads TTJT, 72os, and LicketyQuickety. However based off of the percentages for me, Raya, lickety, and TTJT, this makes no sense again. This is strike 2 for his post being nonsensical.

LicketyQuickety voted for Battle Mage, Porkens, 72, and TTJT, well, we just worked out TTJT and 72 were town, and a vote on porkens gave ClarkBar a 0%, so this implies Battle Mage is scum. This is strike 3 for his post being nonsensical.

Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.

Your assumptions are confusing me. I also think it's weird that you went from "I don't understand what Looker means" to "Looker is being purposefully 'nonsensical'" without any input from me.

Spoiler:

VOTE: 72offsuit

I disagree with those feeling 72 is town after that turn. I explained the reasons for the opposite Day 1.

Clark and Raya are still some of my favorites and Battle Mage is now also suspect to me.

Jamesv is weird...

No thoughts on Looker yet. Most of my thinking is still based off Homuras play which I will revisit.

Current areadlist scum to less scum.
72 confident here.
Raya
Clark
battle mage
Looker
Jamsv

I see a few potential scum pairings too.
72 and Clark or BM and Clark. I have no pairing for Raya currently.

Quick thoughts, I'm tired tonight and will check back in tomorrow.

I have to disagree, with 72 and Clark scumteam, and suggest Clark + Looker instead.
VOTE: ClarkBar

JamSV/Raya

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• Flip preferences: 24% JamSV | 22% Raya | 19% Battle Mage | 18% ThirteenthJT | 9% ClarkBar | 8% 72offsuit
  • Jams's imgur post shows he voteparked a town slot and has avoided suspicion all game.
• I think it's interesting that this is a newbie game, but there are like no newbies.
  
• That was kind of a low blow - "His reads don't tend to be particularly accurate in general". My reads are as accurate as anybody else's.

VOTE: JamSV

This is a horrible looking readslist. And not because of the percentages, which are beyond irrelevant.

My solve right now would be more like Clarkbar-ThirteenthJT.

I'm not sure what to make of the high effort from 72o. It doesn't line up with his scum or town meta.

[Battle Mage]

I'm V/LA across all my games for the next 5 days. Aiming to login once per day but activity will be limited.

[JamSV]

I'm V/LA across all my games for the next 5 days. Aiming to login once per day but activity will be limited.

We'll try not to miss you too much bud.

[Battle Mage]

I'm V/LA across all my games for the next 5 days. Aiming to login once per day but activity will be limited.

We'll try not to miss you too much bud.

normally i'd take that as a genuine nice thing to say, but given your play so far this game, I'm half expecting you to follow up with something like:

"I was being sarcastic BM, don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out, you fat bastard!"

[JamSV]

I'm V/LA across all my games for the next 5 days. Aiming to login once per day but activity will be limited.

We'll try not to miss you too much bud.

normally i'd take that as a genuine nice thing to say, but given your play so far this game, I'm half expecting you to follow up with something like:

"I was being sarcastic BM, don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out, you fat bastard!"

Us over the pond aren't so vulgar, how dare you assume we are. After we hammer Clark then the incorrect scum partner I'll be coming for you.

[Battle Mage]

I'm V/LA across all my games for the next 5 days. Aiming to login once per day but activity will be limited.

We'll try not to miss you too much bud.

normally i'd take that as a genuine nice thing to say, but given your play so far this game, I'm half expecting you to follow up with something like:

"I was being sarcastic BM, don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out, you fat bastard!"

Us over the pond aren't so vulgar, how dare you assume we are. After we hammer Clark then the incorrect scum partner I'll be coming for you.

over the pond? it says you're from England...

Although my main question is...will you let Clark hammer himself?

[ClarkBar]

FFS I take the pain to write a decent-sized post on mobile and when I hit submit it asks me to login again and the post is lost.

I work on weekends I’ll post something this evening, and I’m not a dick the way that decline post made it seem. That was a poor way of communicating my position at that time. I’m happy to answer any and all questions!

[Battle Mage]

then please go back and answer my questions

[JamSV]

over the pond? it says you're from England...

Although my main question is...will you let Clark hammer himself?

Thought you were from the US, mb.

Also no of course not, I'm not gonna let him end potential discourse, that's why I'm gunning for Looker currently.

[Battle Mage]

how about you gun for Looker but also express intent on Clark to ratchet up the pressure?

not every englishman needs tea and scones as their avatar.

[ClarkBar]

The pond is a cute way of referring to the Atlantic.

@BM: of course I will, no need to get snippy. I just want to do it on a proper computer. Patience please.

[ClarkBar]

I think I know what your theory is BM! And perhaps not the one you may be pretending to have.

[Looker]

Spoiler:

Okay so important question, I'm going to assume, that it is in order of scum likeliness, such that the higher percentage we have, the scummier we are. In that regards, why is Clark 0%, a perfect town read, I find it interesting given none of us have him as our strongest town read. Can we interpret it as mason buddies / scum buddies, as realistically, even if I was convinced Battle Mage was the towniest town that town has ever seen, there's still a chance something could change and I'd want to remove him, the 0% seems suspicious if we consider % by scum likeliness.

If we consider % instead by removing based off of scum likeliness + you liking their play style, I think the 0% on Clark and the 9% on A9offsuit makes less sense. I'd like an explanation on 72offsuit's if that's the case.

As such, instead of leaving this up to interpretation what %s represent and why you have the numbers, could you care to order us by scum likeliness?

I don't understand which words you were trying to put in my mouth. Either way, you didn't wait for my explanation before you hammered.

I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.

A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.

Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.

Your assumptions are confusing me. I also think it's weird that you went from "I don't understand what Looker means" to "Looker is being purposefully 'nonsensical'" without any input from me.

I have to disagree, with 72 and Clark scumteam, and suggest Clark + Looker instead.
VOTE: ClarkBar

JamSV/Raya

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• Flip preferences: 24% JamSV | 22% Raya | 19% Battle Mage | 18% ThirteenthJT | 9% ClarkBar | 8% 72offsuit
  • Jams's imgur post shows he voteparked a town slot and has avoided suspicion all game.
• I think it's interesting that this is a newbie game, but there are like no newbies.
  
• That was kind of a low blow - "His reads don't tend to be particularly accurate in general". My reads are as accurate as anybody else's.

VOTE: JamSV

You had plenty of time, not to mention I was more than willing to have waited for an extra 24 hours for the day to go on, but TTJT and Clark both had intent to hammer, if you're going to have a go at somebody for not giving you time to explain, look at Clark and TTJT, I at least managed to salvage an extra page of posts for town.

No one's having a go at anyone - what I'm doing is pointing out that you only pretended to care about my answers. Same thing with the VCA thing - I don't see how you made your progression to accusation without further input; it's disingenuous.

Spoiler:

Okay so important question, I'm going to assume, that it is in order of scum likeliness, such that the higher percentage we have, the scummier we are. In that regards, why is Clark 0%, a perfect town read, I find it interesting given none of us have him as our strongest town read. Can we interpret it as mason buddies / scum buddies, as realistically, even if I was convinced Battle Mage was the towniest town that town has ever seen, there's still a chance something could change and I'd want to remove him, the 0% seems suspicious if we consider % by scum likeliness.

If we consider % instead by removing based off of scum likeliness + you liking their play style, I think the 0% on Clark and the 9% on A9offsuit makes less sense. I'd like an explanation on 72offsuit's if that's the case.

As such, instead of leaving this up to interpretation what %s represent and why you have the numbers, could you care to order us by scum likeliness?

I don't understand which words you were trying to put in my mouth. Either way, you didn't wait for my explanation before you hammered.

I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.

A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.

Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.

Your assumptions are confusing me. I also think it's weird that you went from "I don't understand what Looker means" to "Looker is being purposefully 'nonsensical'" without any input from me.

I have to disagree, with 72 and Clark scumteam, and suggest Clark + Looker instead.
VOTE: ClarkBar

JamSV/Raya

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• Flip preferences: 24% JamSV | 22% Raya | 19% Battle Mage | 18% ThirteenthJT | 9% ClarkBar | 8% 72offsuit
  • Jams's imgur post shows he voteparked a town slot and has avoided suspicion all game.
• I think it's interesting that this is a newbie game, but there are like no newbies.
  
• That was kind of a low blow - "His reads don't tend to be particularly accurate in general". My reads are as accurate as anybody else's.

VOTE: JamSV

EBWOP, the game was also started to progress towards the Porkens hammer regardless. With regards to vote parking a town slot, 6 people were okay with a Porkens hammer and you think you have a valid point?

Condescension aside, you're leaving out the part where you've skated under the radar all game. The first person to vote you gets an OMGUS.

Additionally, how on earth can you say openly that I'm putting words into your mouth, I asked for you to explain things in both, if I were putting words into your mouth I wouldn't bother.

You said I was claiming masons with Clark.

Similarly why on earth did you include my post saying I think you and Clark are more likely to be scum partners than Clark and 72. I get people hate OMGUS and such, but you including that quote literally devalued everything you said, you've literally demonstrated with it that you're voting me because I suspect you and Clark.

On Earth. Me including a quote doesn't devalue anything - it makes it easier for me to do my reread and document what my thoughts are at this point.

@Looker, while we are at it, now that you're responding,

Am I supposed to say "Nice try"?

why don't you actually address the issues people had with your percentage post?

People? Are there more than you?

Similarly, why not address how the order has changed for ClarkBar and 72offsuit in your new percentage post.

"Why not". Porkens and LicketyQuick flipped town.

I can guarantee with pretty high odds, that the only reason he is no longer 0 is because people have started to suspect him. So what will you do Looker? Drop the bad cases you have against people, actually attempt with a read and explanations, or keep going balls to the walls with aggression but with no explanation or backbone?

Condescension and laughably inflated ego aside, how can you say in the same sentence that I have a bad case and no case simultaneously? All of this could have been summed up rather succinctly with "No, you!".

I can tell you what would be best for you and town, which would be explaining. You replaced into the game rather late, as such you've had plenty of time to read over the game, and should have one of the freshest outlooks on the game. I look forward to you being helpful for town and explaining yourself, or for you to give me more ammunition for a scum case against you.
UNVOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: Looker

But you don't like my explanation. And my outlook

is

fresh.

Spoiler:

Either way, you intimidation tactics are ineffective. The only thing you're using as "ammunition for a scum case" against me is my suspicion of you, which is insufficient.

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• I'm not going Raya over JamSV.
  
• Battle Mage says my PoE is "horrible", but then doesn't say why.

[ClarkBar]

So, first thing: my posting will go way up tomorrow. I worked today and I'm a little tired plus my son is on fire right now (figuratively, of course) so I can't read three words of anything without being distracted. But I wanted to respond to a few things.

Clark - Can you talk me through this one? You started by saying 72o would only be scum with Pork, and after he votes you, you agree with TTJT's assessment he is top scumread? Or is there another part of the list you agree with?

Huh? I said (and maybe I could've been clearer) that my D1 scum-read of 72 was contingent on a scum-flip from Porkens. And in reading back I did kind of respond to your question regarding his scum list. I wouldn't publish an identical one by any means, but I didn't hate it. Sounds wishy-washy, but he may be close on this one. 72 is weird for me.

Here's what I hope to accomplish tomorrow. Making clear what my thought process has been since the Porkens flip and what rough rubric I'll be using to gauge my reads. Trying got get any clarity at all on what the case against me actually is right now. My push against Porkens? That's rich. Trying to establish why the hell everyone is trying to "solve" the game by guessing at scum partners.

I'm fading and screwing up quote tags. Tomorrow!

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 2.01

ClarkBar (2):

72offsuit, Battle Mage

72offsuit (1):

TheThirteenthJT

JamSV (1):

Looker

Looker (1):

JamSV

Not Voting (2):

ClarkBar, Raya36

Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-07-18 19:24:03)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With seven players alive, it takes

four

to reach majority.

Mod Note:

Battle Mage is V/LA.

[ClarkBar]

Ahhh, feeling fairly refreshed. Having some oatmeal and some coffee...ready for a little reading! I'll have something up soon.

[Battle Mage]

The pond is a cute way of referring to the Atlantic.

@BM: of course I will, no need to get snippy. I just want to do it on a proper computer. Patience please.

not being snippy mate, probably just tired, soz

I think I know what your theory is BM! And perhaps not the one you may be pretending to have.

eh? please do tell me what you think my theory is? and what theory I'm pretending to have? and why you're shading me?

Clark - Can you talk me through this one? You started by saying 72o would only be scum with Pork, and after he votes you, you agree with TTJT's assessment he is top scumread? Or is there another part of the list you agree with?

Huh? I said (and maybe I could've been clearer) that my D1 scum-read of 72 was contingent on a scum-flip from Porkens. And in reading back I did kind of respond to your question regarding his scum list. I wouldn't publish an identical one by any means, but I didn't hate it. Sounds wishy-washy, but he may be close on this one. 72 is weird for me.

Here's what I hope to accomplish tomorrow. Making clear what my thought process has been since the Porkens flip and what rough rubric I'll be using to gauge my reads. Trying got get any clarity at all on what the case against me actually is right now. My push against Porkens? That's rich. Trying to establish why the hell everyone is trying to "solve" the game by guessing at scum partners.

Porkens flipped town though, so that implies 72o is town for you? I think TTJT had top 3 scumreads as 72o, you and somebody else. So I'm not clear what bits you agree with - a more comprehensive response would be genuinely helpful. It just seems to me like you're hedging your bets a bit.

That said, my vote on you is largely PoE, and wanting to test a theory.

You've never seen me alive on Day 2, but trying to pinpoint the scumpair is pretty standard fare.

Looker - yes, I have deliberately not expanded on my issue with your readslist.

[JamSV]

991
Long Story Short
Many people have also brought up the lack of sustenance your % stuff has. It's not just me, I'm the one pushing for you to explain in depth. Once again, you were incapable of explaining any read or percentage Looker. Try harder. My vote isn't moving, at least not for the next few days.

[ClarkBar]

I think I'll just kinda do a rundown of players and update my thoughts on them. I'll try and be somewhat brief to avoid a huge wall of text. LL's absolutely insane (he was trolling, right?) play from yesterday makes the wagon against him a little tough to dissect. LL sunk that slot to a point where scum could happily and justifiably sit on that wagon/join the push. That makes things tough, but there are other things to consider in when updating reads.

JamSV:

The Blopp E-1 with the hammer invitation comes as no surprise to me based off of previous experience. The back and forth with LL is a tough hang, but I think I buy Jam's vote. Jam spent virtually all of D1 engaging with that slot, often for his own reasons. He doesn't seem to sheep anybody else, but I did breeze through his iso a little. His arguments seem genuine and largely make sense. Then we get to the end of the day and that whole bizarre sequence. I think I don't see it as a scum!Jam move. He then votes for me today and is pushing a Me/Looker scumteam. Which is cool and all, but where's that coming from? No case or reasoning is something that I typically suspect, but I've come to expect it from Jam. I'll address Jam's views on Looker when I get to him. For now I lean slightly town on Jam.

TheThirteenthJT:

Also a town lean. He feels I'm scummy, and points out what he considers are contradictions on my part. I'm not entirely sure exactly what he means or what my scum-motivation would have been. I answered his questions as best I could and he seemed to be satisfied, or at least enough to drop it. I appreciate that my turn on LL seemed sudden, but to be fair LL's behavior shift was itself pretty sudden and extreme. Reading through again I just think the points that 13JT bring up are valid and he's engaging and following-up with people on those points. Nothing seems forced.

Looker:

It appears Looker replacing in was the match that lit LL off. They have some history, and Looker indeed votes LL. Which is tough to criticize, that slot was going off the rails at that point. The percentages thing is fine, his reasoning for it after I asked is fine. Putting me at a 0% flip preference is strange, as if he knows I'm town with certainty, which only scum could know at that point. But I don't think that's what the 0% is implying. I'm basic? I suppose I've been called worse. The spat with Jam is interesting. Looker feeling that Jam (and correct me if I'm wrong here) hammering when he did implied he didn't care about Looker's response to the percentages thing. I strongly disagree that Jam has skated under the radar. The vote for Jam almost seems OMGUSy, but other reasons are provided. This back and forth kinda feels like two townies feeling each other up, but I'll still read with great interest. There's not a ton to go on with Looker, for me right now I think he's at a null.

Battle Mage:

Things get a little more murky here. Having both of his top scum-reads both flip town isn't without some comedy. Obviously Porkens was a wagon anyone could get on, but the Quick thing never really went over with me. BM accuses me of having my blinkers on, but I never found anything really compelling about scum!Quick. So is BM's push on Quick genuine or an attempt to test the waters for an alternate wagon? Well given the NK of Quick such an effort would have been for nothing. Also, BM NK'ing Quick after he made him an avatar would be pretty rude. Porkens votes BM near the end of D1, and some of his reasoning resonates with me. I have only one completed game, and in that scum came in as a replacement and did a bunch catch-up posts that were essentially fluff that appeared pro-town/high-effort. I think BM's takes are slightly better and he has some real takes, as horribly wrong as they turned out. Anyways, we get to D2. I appreciate that my posts and questions early on may have seemed a little cryptic, they weren't meant to be. I certainly don't think they were scummy. My 959 could certainly have been worded better, but I'm not ducking anything. I guess I'm walking you through 954 right now. Certainly don't think I was being dodgy. All of this is to say that BM's vote on me (a player he has consistently given at least a weak town-read to all game) seems to come out of nowhere and the reasons backing it seem thin. He says he has a theory he wants to test. I had a guess as to what that might be last night, but on second thought I might be projecting a bit there. Seems so many players have their little tests that seem to go unexplained. It may be connected to 988 and the pressure comment. Pressure to do what? What are asking of me that more pressure will deliver? I think this slot is a null for me for now, but I have some serious apprehension.

72offsuit:

Well, a lot of the takes I had on 72 from 465 were dependent on a scum flip from Porkens. town!Porkens does not equal town!72, but 72's disdain for that wagon and the role-claim discussion certainly has aged well. It could be argued that scum!72 was able to oppose the Porkens wagon while having some confidence it would go through anyway, and used the opportunity to build some town cred. Skimming through his ISO though doesn't give me that feeling though. Godammit, 72 might be town. I'm a scum-read for 72, and I can appreciate that me going from defending LL's Blopp reasoning to wanting the slot lynched seems opportunistic. But, as I've said, LL went from 0 to 60 fast, and had a lot of interactions to work with. I simply could not see that progression and actions from a town player. I can't defend any more than that. If 72 has further reasoning for me being scum I'm happy to talk about that. 950 has some questionable logic.

Raya36:

The things I didn't like about Raya in the early game can be found in 399. My opinion of that hasn't changed, though Raya made a few posts that made me feel her push on LL may have been authentic. If Raya is scum then LL's freak-out was a gift from the heavens, because her original case against him was not working for me at all. She defended it well enough, and others had similar issues, but I thought the Blopp wagon was ok. Now I'm going harp on this again because I've just reread this part of the game and it's pinging me hard. Raya is on the Blopp wagon with Lucky and Homura. JamSV comes into the game with his swinging dick and puts Blopp at E-1 with no case or questions but an invitation to hammer. I knew Jam well enough to not let this bug me too much, but does Raya have that same insight? Raya unvotes because E-1 was too much pressure (especially if the player in question may be your partner and your little early game distancing got to a dangerous point) and doesn't want a quick hammer and gives shit to LL for not unvoting. Why not have a problem with Jam for the vote? Why not have an issue with Homura for not unvoting despite being active after the E-1 vote? Why not move to vote LL right away? Why say that you find both LL and Blopp scum (perhaps so her move away from Blopp doesn't look too sudden)? LL makes a good point in 72. Pocketing in 107...I mean Jam just made that E-1 vote that led Raya to hop off the wagon. Naturally after the LL claim it became much easier to simply ride the wagon.

Yes I have some concern of BM being her partner, but I need to reread their interactions more closely etc. Plus partner speculation doesn't seem very helpful yet, but what do I know.

VOTE: Raya36

[TheThirteenthJT]

Jamsv what are your thoughts on 72. You disagree with my assessment on them so I'm curious where you stand. Do you also have a readlist anywhere?

72 similar questions right now. How do you fe about Jamsv and Looker. Town v town. Scum v town? Scum v scum.

PS I am ready to change my vote to add pressure to a wagon but these questions will need to be answered first.

BM me and Clark is a wild theory. Did you ever look at rv's questioned I asked and Clark's answer? To be honest should be proof enough that didn't warn him how to not answer it.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Screw it. Let's test something out. I really feel Jamsv is pursuing a non issue instead of scumhunting. But maybe it's just me not understanding the percentage dispute and why it matters at all. It was just a different way to do a readlist in my eyes.

VOTE: Jamsv