The Kazyan town case (with posts fixed):
1 ) The early suss and pocket -
51 ->
71. Kaz says early he will not try to scum hunt (he says he’s not that good at it) but then gets an early scumping and can’t hold back. I like that he says it isn’t a heavy scum read - he sounds uncertain just like he expressed in
51 that he isn’t that confident in his reads. I think
72 from creative name where he actually tells Kaz “That's quite ok, because it means you're acting kinda solvey” doesn’t read as a pair, it reads as creative trying to pocket and pacify an uncertain town Kaz. Kaz unvotes creative in
115 but think this can be consistent with Kaz feeling uncertain. Him calling Wheme a doofus for refusing to elaborate on his Creative PR read reads town to me.
2 ) Fake helpful - In post
78 Creative gives advice to Kazyan “If you find it easier to scum read people definitely go for that, I know some people are better at townreading and some are better at scumreading, also I'll probably make a reads list at some point so look out for that.” It reads similarly to
138 where Creative gives advice to town griff “That's perfectly ok, you're here now, one piece of advice i'd give is to have a notes page or document you can jot your thoughts and reads on so you don't lose track of them and have an easy time referring back to them.” Creative gives advice to the towns as a way of pocketing - each post reads similarly. SAMCRO instantly calls this out in
140. Since Creative is fake helpful to Kaz - Kaz is town.
3 ) The one active - one inactive theory agreement in
111 /
115 /
116 - Creative proposes a one active one inactive theory and Kaz actually agrees to the arbitrary theory - on initial read of the game I thought postulating about this seemed fine and townie and I think Kaz agreeing with Creative and using that as an excuse to invote does not seem like a scum pair move. Level one scum imo want to be seen in superficial disagreement with one another -
118 from wheme he disagrees with Creative’s idea.
4 ) The borrowing of arguments -
121 Pooky is pushing back on Creative’s reasoning that it is scummy to start a wagon (ironic since Creative just said starting a wagon is good so that there is no - no elim on d1 in prior post
59. At this point Kaz swoops in and provides more reasoning for why Pooky is scummy i.e. Pooky has no content
123. At this point Creative basically sheeps what Kaz’s read was, he never uses the words contentless to describe pooky until he echoes kaz here
125 “what I quoted, was like kazyan said content-less posting and warning me of a danger no one else seemed to see.” In game pooky has 3 votes wheme has 2 if Kaz is scum with Creative both of them have been widely TR to this point with the exception of Kaz and Wheme light sussing creative - neither of them appear to be d1 vote candidates so I see no reason for them to align like this and for creative to openly sheep Kaz’s reasoning here.
5 ) The organic Creative suss
208 - Kaz identifying discordance from Creative’s early aggression on SAMCRO to his mason post later on feels like a real read. Contrast with Wheme’s SR from PR reading Creative from
94 if you’re not PR your scum. Kaz is identifying something that actually looks real in Creative’s posting. Kaz also said that Pooky v Creative arguing about RVS meme wagon did not feel town on town I love that he is afraid of confirmation bias in his post here. This is exactly what I was afraid of reading myself into the skitter sus when I first entered the game.
6 ) The wagon follow through - as pointed out by Skitter Kaz asks how to analyze the wagon
209 then follows through
224. Also Kaz was not on the pooky badwagon debacle of d1. And Kazyan is actually convinced in
226 and
227 to vote SAMCRO by Creative in part. Why would a mafia partner convince their mafia partner to change votes in broad daylight in the day chat?
7 ) The commit to Creative vote -
326 Kaz takes my town case on SAMCRO and votes into creative tying it 2-2. It’s not the votes that make it townie because mafia know that creative could claim tracer, but perhaps the tone of remaining internally consistent voting between creative and Samcro instead of following me and voting skitter is the townie part. I also know note that Wheme in
334 went from scumming my slot earlier d2 to now TRing me while creative goes from TRing my slot with grif to now SRing it - it’s funny how they are on the opposite side of literally everything in the game do they agree once? lol.
8 ) The prelim thought followed by the walk back -
382 /
384 - stuff like this is very townie. Kaz remains internally consistent thinking there’s a man in SAM vs. Creative fight. They express anxiety that mafia is trying to deflect out of the vote. This makes total sense with their later “north star” post that they want to vote them out in any order to get the game into a winnable state - which makes sense from a town perspective. Creative says someone is trying to deflect out of the pool of SAMCRO creative but then realizes that everyone was voting into that pool before me and says he feels silly. This could be him TMIing that I’m town I guess but I still read it as town that he thinks something is true without verifying it and posts, then realizes it isn’t true and backtracks. Feels like a town playing off of instinct and speaking their mind not rechecking logs.
My work from the day. I have to go do something now will be back later.