Titus, I can vouch that what Shea is stating about Anya is true. I just came out of a large normal having the exact same issues you're currently going through with the posting. It was my first time playing with her.
In post 957, Thestatusquo wrote:Because I'm trying to sort you. Why should you moving on change what my reaction to your actions is?
The concern is that you're shifting the context away from Atre/Whemestar, which are good sorting wagons. I am trying to sort whether that's coincidence or genuine.
Hm.
Why are Atre/Wheme better sorting wagons as dueling wagons than either of them and you?
From my perspective, I already know my own alignment. I have a high tendancy to OMGUS. They also happened organically.
From an objective perspective (removing play), any wagons are good for sorting.
I feel like I am onto something and that's why the sudden pressure.
If you think i pressure people based on wagons as either alignment you are sorely mistaken.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:03 am
by Thestatusquo
I have no problem with the atre wheme wagons for what it's worth. I just think Titus is scum here.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:04 am
by Bingle
@Titus: I see it differently. Arte/Wheme are largely being wagoned for the same reasons in my eyes. If another option comes around for markedly different reasons (one specific scummy behavior compared to a lack of presence/towny behavior) we can look at the way people move compared to those differences. I also don't think Shea jumping on you is designed to distract from Anya/Wheme specifically and is probably just town in general.
Who do you think is scum pressuring you? Are they doing it because Anya is scum or because Anya is LHF?
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:04 am
by morph the cat
In post 972, Bingle wrote:Binary. Do you intentionally create arguments about your reads as scum to appear town and avoid pushing wagons, or are you more likely to default to one person leading on reads and the other following.
The guess the hydra bit was an attempt to gauge how well I can tell the two of you apart tonally, I didn't actually look for games either of you had played with anya.
We've played as morph so often that our hydra has its own meta, somewhat separate from our solo play. Our styles merge. a LOT. I feel like our voices are still recognizable, but external feedback suggests otherwise sometines.
Aside from an abandoned game from earlier this year, most of our scum-meta is from 2013-2014, I think. We did intentionally have dissonance in at least one of those games. And in the abandoned game, we had some unintentional dissonance at one point, but I'd say neither of us was putting in a great performance that game.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:04 am
by morph the cat
In post 972, Bingle wrote:Binary. Do you intentionally create arguments about your reads as scum to appear town and avoid pushing wagons, or are you more likely to default to one person leading on reads and the other following.
The guess the hydra bit was an attempt to gauge how well I can tell the two of you apart tonally, I didn't actually look for games either of you had played with anya.
I have done this before in every hydra I've drawn scum in. Morph is no exception. I recall explicitly doing so in the fire emblem mini theme Vi ran many moons ago. Against Mara/Borkie in our neighborhood QT.
Spoiler: Nuanced Answer
In most of my hydrae, it's two separate players with two separate styles posting under a combined flag. Morph is a little different. In morph, both of us essentially abandon our existing play styles and get into a convergence of our two styles, such that we could literally post each other's thoughts in morph's style, and few would notice. If you go back earlier, there was a part where both heads of the hydra replied to the same post back to back and said nearly the same substance. That's not by design, it's just the morph-sync we get into. As far as our vote goes, we discuss everything internally in a PT or discord chat, and even though it's not in the thread we have a reads list from the get go. Even before the game starts, heck, even before we have our role PM or alignment, we're already doing homework on the player list. For whatever reason, our styles are super compatible, and it brings out the tryhard in both of us.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:08 am
by Bingle
Ah, thanks, both of you. So the answer is you would, but you tend to have a resonant hydra presence more often, presumably as both alignments.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:09 am
by morph the cat
@notsci
who do you think would be more scared of morph on n0, scum or town?
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:10 am
by morph the cat
In post 982, Bingle wrote:Ah, thanks, both of you. So the answer is you would, but you tend to have a resonant hydra presence more often, presumably as both alignments.
Yes. We value the "sync achieved" text more than most anything else.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:11 am
by Thestatusquo
I think the idea of people being "scared" of other users is kind of nonsense in general.
I'm scared of roughly three people in the history of this site and none of them are in the game.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:16 am
by Titus
In post 979, Bingle wrote:@Titus: I see it differently. Arte/Wheme are largely being wagoned for the same reasons in my eyes. If another option comes around for markedly different reasons (one specific scummy behavior compared to a lack of presence/towny behavior) we can look at the way people move compared to those differences. I also don't think Shea jumping on you is designed to distract from Anya/Wheme specifically and is probably just town in general.
Who do you think is scum pressuring you? Are they doing it because Anya is scum or because Anya is LHF?
That part I'm not sure of. I probably shouldn't have voiced suspicions too soon as it would have been more useful to see if Shea was followed.
I found Arte's push on me awkward saying that I was political when most of my opinions have been unpopular/ignored. (G being an exception but I am less certain there. I drive people to vendetta pushes. I don't know why but I do.)
It's too early to say who specifically is pushing me for being right on scum. It's a general feeling I have though.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:25 am
by Toogeloo
VOTE: Save The Dragons
Terrible ISO considering I threw them in the spotlight.
MurderCat is town, in my opinion. LLD could go either way, but her long term play will make her alignment more apparent.
Not a fan of Dunn's pushes, personally.
Flea is just Flea. The amount of times fae have been miselimed based on faer style of play is extremely high. People need to realize fae are just naturally scummy I guess. Flea, in my opinion, is one of those players that really just needs a scan or long term associations to sort, and will always be an easy push.
I skip over all poetry and posts that have collapsible spoilers, and my eyes tend to glaze over banter/noise posts.
Not really feeling strongly about anyone not mention in this post because they aren't sticking out to me, or their hasn't been anything pinging me.
Okay. I'm thinking about Mara now, but in the meantime... Do you recall the three step plan I spelled out pregame in Tenet?
I want to prevent that from working here, and I need a third set of eyes on it to confirm my gut is right here.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:39 am
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 990, morph the cat wrote:Okay. I'm thinking about Mara now, but in the meantime... Do you recall the three step plan I spelled out pregame in Tenet?
I want to prevent that from working here, and I need a third set of eyes on it to confirm my gut is right here.
Okay, I sorta recall it, yeah. I don't remember the explicit specifics but I have a good gist of it.
Sure I can be fresh eyes. What you got?
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:39 am
by Bell
VC please
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:40 am
by morph the cat
I think the key to this game is gonna be preventing scum from pivoting from the "eliminate the easy marks" stage to the "expand the scum pool with paranoia and setup spec" second stage.
I also think we can be more choosy about which LHF we elim as to not let phase one play out completely.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:41 am
by Guillotina
In post 885, Flea The Magician wrote:Strong disagree. Early game may not be your strongest but you can excel at it, and scarily so sometimes.
Flea im trying to not get mischopped here, i mean thank you for your admiration and the cred and possibly the pocket there, but scum have to end up believing that im all bark and no bite! Or they will look for ways to mischop me or night kill me.
Im on a road trip until this Tuesday, i will be reading most of the times with few commentary if needed but dont expect high activity from me until then.
who do you think would be more scared of morph on n0, scum or town?
Hat do I think scum
ould do about you? Attack
They don’t have the facts
I’m a cat on book
Cant sim, but I have zoomies
You know hat I mean?
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:46 am
by Guillotina
In post 891, Chara wrote:maybe it's naive but i find Guillotina very hard to scumread here.
Man, comments like these pocket me hard. Please be town, please be town, please be town.
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:48 am
by Titus
In post 990, morph the cat wrote:Okay. I'm thinking about Mara now, but in the meantime... Do you recall the three step plan I spelled out pregame in Tenet?
I want to prevent that from working here, and I need a third set of eyes on it to confirm my gut is right here.
I try to forget that game. Can you link me?
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:49 am
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 993, morph the cat wrote:I think the key to this game is gonna be preventing scum from pivoting from the "eliminate the easy marks" stage to the "expand the scum pool with paranoia and setup spec" second stage.
I also think we can be more choosy about which LHF we elim as to not let phase one play out completely.
I agree with you.
I think my current play of allowing Wheme and Arte wagons to compete and see where people land (one one of them, or on netiher) will give me a good sense of what people are trying to do.
Where do you want me to look?
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:49 am
by Guillotina
In post 899, Ircher wrote:2) It's not so much a concern as clarity. If I kept my vote where it was, people are naturally going to assume that my read on the slot is similar to my predecessor's read.
