What makes you think I haven’t read? I haven’t fully caught up, but I’ve read enough. They’re Town. I’ve been surer about other things in games before, but I really do think that slot is just Town. I’m trying to decide which one of you is the Scum hiding behind the bad push still, and I’m not sure. I would say Rathe, but it’s not clear.
In post 758, petapan wrote:anyway, the answer is only ever going to boil down to "i've played with dgb before and the things you are claiming are strange amount to playstyle quirks rather than anything alignment indicative". that's unlikely to satisfy you and i absolutely do not give a fuck
on a skim of the noughts and crosses game i actually think save the dragons is qualitatively different here than he was in that game, BUT that is an unusual setup and not nearly as familiar with him based on a small sample so i wouldn't strongly base my read of him off that. do think he's playing the game in a towny way
he just flipped town in a previous game of ours and he was most definitely playing _very_ differently
is it a leap to assume he was town in noughts and crosses?
no, he was scum in that game which is why dwlee was voting him.
i assue you're talking about 2205? what do you see about him here that you think is different?
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:09 pm
by petapan
actually on looking on it myself that's an incredibly dumb question as the difference is fairly obvious. let's skip that question and go to the next step: do you think his difference in play means something in terms of his alignment?
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:56 pm
by Save The Dragons
I'm not really sure why my play is different. I started this game overextended and didn't want to process the arguments going on related to dgb telling us not to claim. So I kind of just decided to wing it. I think that's why.
I relied on my gut in both this and 2205.
Rathe screamed town in sibyl elegy and isnt doing that here so it's worth my vote now
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:13 pm
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 966, Nero Cain wrote:is that something you'd do over DOTW or is DOWT still scummier for you guys?
In post 638, Dwlee99 wrote:Is that a yes to both of those or just the lurking one :P
That's your job to figure out
I can make it easier moving forward
sorta felt like this was a cheeky town response. He's not a terrible d1 elimination b/c he'll just eat up night actions and/or be unreadable for the rest of the game.
In post 638, Dwlee99 wrote:Is that a yes to both of those or just the lurking one :P
That's your job to figure out
I can make it easier moving forward
sorta felt like this was a cheeky town response. He's not a terrible d1 elimination b/c he'll just eat up night actions and/or be unreadable for the rest of the game.
But then he didn't make it easier :(
I was not anticipating day 1 being so far from completion
is your case on anya that she is voting a slot you like?
Are you high?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:15 am
by DrippingGoofball
VOTE: Nero Cain
The neighbors are still scum.
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:17 am
by DrippingGoofball
Dunnstral is the biggest lurksack of the game right now.
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:23 am
by petapan
In post 921, Dragon of the West wrote:304 - this seemed disingenuous. you had to have known most of the votes you were referring to weren't of substance
really? how am i supposed to know that? a lot of the votes were earlygame sheepvotes, how am i to judge substance there
In post 921, Dragon of the West wrote:312 - It really seems like your argument here was predicated on the idea that Dwlee must be scum because he made an 'easy' argument...which is just a weird jump to me. or you're thinking that the DGB vs Dwlee convo had to be TvS? which again I don't like that assumption
i don't think it's a jump at all that scum often like to argue from a place of "correct" logic because it gives them a sort of high ground. but we are talking about a gutread i formed off page 1 here
In post 921, Dragon of the West wrote:Your interactions with kyo and posts where you've mentioned them have just seemed strange to me. like it hasn't seemed to me like either of you put your heart into it. especially for someone you've said you're unsure of. I would've expected a lot more inquisitiveness from you, based on how you've been pushing other players:
316,486,619,647
kyouko barely posts dude. i can try to pry content out of him but if he's not going to play ball i can't do a whole hell of a lot. i don't see how i'm worse in that regard than virtually anyone else in the game. in fact i've been more aggressive than most in trying to force him to say more, although i don't think that's a towntell for me
In post 921, Dragon of the West wrote:648 - you asked me specifically about any reads I had because I was focusing on you too much so I gave you 639. the only thing you responded to my read list with was your response to my scum read of you.
i didn't find your other reads worth commenting on. they were
fine
and even believable but not all that developed and didn't give me very much to go off
In post 921, Dragon of the West wrote:753 - can you explain your reads on why anya is scummier than kyouko. You've said it a couple times but I haven't seen you say why
because kyouko, lately, has had a trickle of reasoning and i don't think scum comes out trying to force a scumread on you, where anya has largely fallen off the map after the early game and has only emerged to sheep kyouko
In post 921, Dragon of the West wrote:840 - you don't find it strange that something in the pt magically happened and the anya/kyo thing evaporated?
i really don't know and it's hard to gauge with both saying so little. i think it'd be incredibly sloppy play as scum theater because neither has been active enough to earn any trust. is it possible one is scum pocketing the other? i guess. is it an immediate red flag alarm bell for me above all else? not really. i'll keep poking at them when i have opportunities because certainly neither is in the group of townreads i would actively defend
In post 921, Dragon of the West wrote:also, you gave me a hard time for focusing on you so much. and then are like "wait a sec, focus on me again and re-explain your read on me" which I don't know if it's totally scummy, but man it's annoying
see, the reason i asked you about this is because i wanted you to flesh out your read on me, because i still don't really have a handle on you, and this seemed to be the best way to do it. i did hope you'd broaden your view of the game but it hasn't happened in a way that helped me read you better, so this was my alternative.
and the thing is, for someone who has been almost singularly obsessed with me this game, to the point it feels like you have a closet shrine filled with pictures of me, your explanation for your scumread on me is some serious weak tea. it doesn't
feel
like i should be your strongest scumread, based on the words you are putting out here. like, i asked you to back up what you're saying and a lot of what you're pulling has you admitting it's not that strong a point, and yet apparently you still think i'm the scummiest person in the game. what's the deal with that?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:24 am
by petapan
i apologize for that awfully formatted quotestripe wall that will make everyone's eyes bleed but i saw no other option
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:41 am
by petapan
In post 924, Nero Cain wrote:There's at least one scum on my wagon (Titus) so unless you think she's bussing me then I'm town. Nom and Peta are some shade of bad/scummy. There's a risk when you call people scum and that's that they vote you and its not entirely impossible that peta/nom are just sore that I've not liked their posts and think they are scummy.
oh please don't pull the "woe is me" victim act when you're constantly trying to twist people's words against them or make underhanded arguments with regard to lurking
like look at this shit:
In post 860, Nero Cain wrote:I feel like there's some scum motivation in trying to make this game stagnant and I think it's likely scum are posting less on purpose. And I think that peta sitting on a dead wagon would certainly help with a game being stagnant and I particularly hated 829.
I felt like his reaction was scummy b/c it's hypocritical to me to argue that the wagons are dead and he didn't know where to vote but failed to join the ssbm wagon and the emerging DOTW wagon. Yes, he finally gave some reasoning but I'm not sure why he reacted so violently at first.
It also seems odd that he had no problem vanity voting Anya but when the ssbm wagon was a think he claims he was hesitant.
Perhaps this is nooby arrogance and he can't handle any criticism at all.
855 is likely a scum post since its sheeping Rathe's reasoning (not that Rathe said he suspects me for it but nom thinks rathe will prob vote me)
[post=nom]nom[/post]
Q: why haven't you moved your vote to anothe wagon?
A: because I haven't felt as good about the other wagons, although i would compromise on them if necessary
normal, sane person logic: oh, i see, that makes sense
nero cain logic: oh my god u r scumz keeping the game dead by not starting wagons!
it's impossible for me to think anyone could legitimately believe this, instead it just reads like someone who wants to ring me up on some idiotic gotcha about how not moving my vote makes me scum. at a very basic level i think most people get that not everyone uses their vote the same way, and that's not an indicator of alignment. but nero doesn't care about that, he's not interested in my actual perspective, he just wants an excuse to attack me for not dancing to a set of conditions he's made up on the spot. it's the same shit with everyone he's attacked this game
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:43 am
by petapan
and i'm not the only one who is accusing nero of flagrantly misrepping their arguments, at some point when multiple people are saying there's smoke there's a pretty damn good chance there's a fire
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:49 am
by petapan
In post 964, Dwlee99 wrote:Anya I've been convinced, throw DGB on the pile of people I'm willing to lim.
woof
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:55 am
by VFP
The Nero wagon is terrible. Mainly from who's on it alone.
Each one on the wagon give a 1 liner why for my tiny brain why.
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:58 am
by nomnomnom
In post 992, petapan wrote:Q: why haven't you moved your vote to anothe wagon?
A: because I haven't felt as good about the other wagons, although i would compromise on them if necessary
normal, sane person logic: oh, i see, that makes sense
nero cain logic: oh my god u r scumz keeping the game dead by not starting wagons!
It's scummy logic when you consider he made this post explaining that I started his push by highlighting his weird vote logic and he answered with this
In post 855, nomnomnom wrote:there is no way, noooo way that you spend this much time as town going through every single one of my posts, arguing about very little technicalities and inconsequential wording, quality it as "WTF" and that I'm "full of shit", only to settle on peta afterwards, after saying that you're not "worried about the day lynch" (???), I refuse to believe it
there are 6 days to get a lynch and alot of people are barely playing and many to catch up and give content. I don't think its particularly important that we decide the lynch right now. Also, by joining the Peta wagon I was joining the largest wagon. Nothing says I have to vote you just b/c I'm posting about you.
Basically accusing you of being scum for something he is doing himself
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:59 am
by Dwlee99
Peta, I'm convinced that if I told you my favorite Wawa smoothie you'd think it was scum-indicative.
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:00 am
by VFP
In post 997, Dwlee99 wrote:Peta, I'm convinced that if I told you my favorite Wawa smoothie you'd think it was scum-indicative.
What is it?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:01 am
by Nero Cain
In post 990, petapan wrote:really? how am i supposed to know that? a lot of the votes were earlygame sheepvotes, how am i to judge substance there
